-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Team-based competitive multiplayer is the worst.
- Thread starter Wiseblade
- Start date
Memorabilia
Member
Disagree completely. Chaotic 1v1 has its place but so does a more thoughtful, tactical approach that encourages goal oriented communication. Team-based frustrations are part of the journey.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Well, playing Dr Junkenstein in Overwatch, it was frustrating to have a soldier that never healed anyone. I can't blame that person for the loss, but I'd say they were the largest contributor to that loss.
Just have to let it roll off your back. Am I still gaining experience? Yes? Then I'm ok.
Just have to let it roll off your back. Am I still gaining experience? Yes? Then I'm ok.
Quoted for truth. I play smite on PS4 a LOT. Gotta carry them all. I'm having fun even when my team sucks, doing my best to make them better by carrying them to victory!
I just spam VGS a lot when my team sucks, which makes the game even more fun.
Well, no. I'm basing it off of their reasoning for disliking a game genre as expressed in the original post. Suggesting that self-improvement in impossible when working as a team sounds absurd to me because I think that self-improvement in terms of becoming a team-player is plenty valid.
Awful Falafel
Banned
This Brawl has been my favorite thing in Overwatch because people generally have way better attitudes in co-op PVE than competitive PVP. Also love that the rewards are tied to overcoming challenges rather than RNG lotteries or credit grinds. Too bad what amounts to Horde mode is a temporary event and not a permanent fixture.
schwabdizzle
Banned
I like team-based games where I can Lone Wolf. Games like Titanfall and Call of Duty. I'm not saying I don't play by the objective, but I like to have the option to Lone Wolf if I can. I miss the days of when Call of Duty head Lone Wolf Team Deathmatch.
wild wild rice
Member
This
Not only that, it's really really hard to just let go your losses when someone literally doesn't know how to play.
Granted this doesn't happen so often (player who doesn't have a single clue on what they are doing) but it can quickly sour your mood.
EDIT: In regard to OP, I do agree that team-based competitive multiplayer breeds the worst players out there due to the mentioned reasons. It's really hard to get introspective on your own abilities and mistakes when there are others to blame.
If I lose 3 matches in a row in Comp, I will take a break. Sometimes, the MM might match you up with the same people over and over.
Nah. I say the problem is the matchmaking rather than the genre itself. The problem is often due to having a player whose skill is not appropriate for that particular match. Either being too good or not good enough. These types of games are best when it is somewhat balanced on team skill but rank isn't always a good indicator of skill and it the matchmaking does some stupid stuff sometimes as well.
A match with closely matched skill on both sides is often thrilling as you watch the lead go back and forth.
A match with closely matched skill on both sides is often thrilling as you watch the lead go back and forth.
Ravi_elite
Banned
this wouldnt be a problem if friendly fire was enabled on more competitive games... have a problem with a teammate? time to take care of business. TatatataTEAMMM KILLLLLLER
IronicSonic
Member
Splatoon is amazingly fun. Yelling at the screen is part of the experience
TheSpoiler
Member
See, why is taking some competitively a bad thing? There's nothing wrong with wanting to better yourself or your skills in a video game, honestly. Heck, the mode in Overwatch is called Competitive, so it's not ridiculous to assume there should be some level of trying and respecting the team.
This doesn't excuse breaking controllers and screaming at people over the mic when they don't pick the right class, but it's fine to be frustrated.
wild wild rice
Member
For whatever reason, I never got mad while playing Splatoon.
BlueLiquid
Member
Thank you! I ran into this last night. I was playing Tracer on Nepal and doing an ok job harassing their Hanzo and supports and drawing them off the point. I managed to knock some of the defenders and help cap the point. But I eventually had to turn off chat because three players (including a Hanzo iirc) wouldn't stop telling me to switch to a second healer which would have done little good as nobody else was staying together. I don't pick a hero to troll but how I think I can best contribute.
Z..
Member
It's perfectly fine to enjoy competitive gaming. I myself dabble quite frequently in it. Because it's fun. Actually taking it seriously is a separate thing entirely.
PushingButtons
Member
I've grown to really dislike it lately. Used to play a lot of team based multiplayer games in the past. Playing Overwatch reaffirmed my position towards the genre. It's a great game but as a solo player it's terribly frustrating. If more of my friends played the game and we could team up on a regular basis, it'll likely be better. But, as it is, being on a team when 1-2 people are mic'd up it's frustrating. Not for me anymore.
Oddly enough I've started to come around back to fighting games yesterday thanks to the other thread about fighting games. 1v1 is so much better for me.
Oddly enough I've started to come around back to fighting games yesterday thanks to the other thread about fighting games. 1v1 is so much better for me.
The Scrivener
Member
Rocket League is the best.
Ordinaryundone
Member
Even in team games, you should still look to yourself if you lose. You are never so good that the entirety of the blame is on your team. And even if you did end up "carrying" or whatever you should look to the circumstances that made that necessary. Did you do enough early to support your teammates, or foster teamwork? Or did you play selfishly, automatically assuming they'd be bad and thus creating a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Playing with others brings its own inherent dangers but also the potential for spontaneous joy. That's the way of the world, and if you have a desperate need to control the nature and actions of others to make yourself happy, you're going to live a miserable life. Whether it's driving a car to work or playing a competitive video game.
Some of the best experiences I've had in video games has been in a game of Overwatch with PUGs when everyone knows the game well enough to come together without even needing voice chat. It's great. It's a huge rush to see a bunch of strangers in total psychological sync.
1 on 1 games against "random" people really aren't any better or worse, at a certain level. You'll run into just as much frustration, just as many people who aren't interested in the game or self-improvement and rant on in delusion. There's a reason why insane hate mail is a fighting game cliche, along with crazy people berating the winner of a match for "having no life because they play the game too much".
Ultimately you have to do your best to get something out of the experience no matter what it is. It can be frustrating at times, yes, but that is literally life itself. It's not going to change anytime soon.
And there is also this. The Valve chart for the Pit of Trolls in online games has truth to it. People at the bottom of the skill trench between noob and expert tend to blame everyone else and assume they're the ones carrying the world. (Again, very similar to life...)
People who get truly good at something, in my experience, learn to see all sides of the activity and understand the interplay between all the moving parts. Including their own involvement and the true consequences of their actions.
Some of the best experiences I've had in video games has been in a game of Overwatch with PUGs when everyone knows the game well enough to come together without even needing voice chat. It's great. It's a huge rush to see a bunch of strangers in total psychological sync.
1 on 1 games against "random" people really aren't any better or worse, at a certain level. You'll run into just as much frustration, just as many people who aren't interested in the game or self-improvement and rant on in delusion. There's a reason why insane hate mail is a fighting game cliche, along with crazy people berating the winner of a match for "having no life because they play the game too much".
Ultimately you have to do your best to get something out of the experience no matter what it is. It can be frustrating at times, yes, but that is literally life itself. It's not going to change anytime soon.
And there is also this. The Valve chart for the Pit of Trolls in online games has truth to it. People at the bottom of the skill trench between noob and expert tend to blame everyone else and assume they're the ones carrying the world. (Again, very similar to life...)
People who get truly good at something, in my experience, learn to see all sides of the activity and understand the interplay between all the moving parts. Including their own involvement and the true consequences of their actions.
It's far better with non random team mates.
Sadly I'm too unbearable to easily get more than 2 ppl to play with me at dota 2.
On the bright side it allow us too keep having the opportunity to see our cumulated death not being able to reach the number of death of of the two random we have with us... and sometime even of single one of them.
Okay, I love it just as much as I hate it.
Sadly I'm too unbearable to easily get more than 2 ppl to play with me at dota 2.
On the bright side it allow us too keep having the opportunity to see our cumulated death not being able to reach the number of death of of the two random we have with us... and sometime even of single one of them.
Okay, I love it just as much as I hate it.
This is probably why Gundam Vs. is the perfect game for me, of this sort. Yeah, it's 2 v 2, but the way matches usually play out, you're able to glean such things like your personal contributions/failings, as well as how in-synch you and your partner are, pretty quickly.
I'm glad that Gundam Vs. has slowly, but surely made its way into the FGC, and hope the upcoming PS4 title only continues that trend. Especially if the need to import will be less...
I'm glad that Gundam Vs. has slowly, but surely made its way into the FGC, and hope the upcoming PS4 title only continues that trend. Especially if the need to import will be less...
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Leafhopper
Banned
Kurt Angle
Member
I carry scrubs to victory
it's my moral duty
it's my moral duty
Yeah the only team based game I haven't ended up hating in recent years is the last of us because I guess naughty dog designed the game in a way that it forces everyone to work as a team so even playing with randoms is fun.
I wish more shooters were designed around 1v1 or at least had a handful of maps to allow for it. I just play fighting games now I guess
I wish more shooters were designed around 1v1 or at least had a handful of maps to allow for it. I just play fighting games now I guess
Competitive games, in general, start to drive me insane because the difficulty curve is far steeper than single-player games. I'm getting worse and worse at Overwatch because I don't improve at the rate other players typically are, and it feels crap as all hell.
You can argue the whole "git gud" but Blizzard wouldn't want their player base being shoo'd away like that either.
Edit: To put it another way, I'm at a sort of impasse on Overwatch because now I have to focus even harder to stay on the same level as everyone but I don't want to spend my evenings committing that hard, either. So bots, I guess.
You can argue the whole "git gud" but Blizzard wouldn't want their player base being shoo'd away like that either.
Edit: To put it another way, I'm at a sort of impasse on Overwatch because now I have to focus even harder to stay on the same level as everyone but I don't want to spend my evenings committing that hard, either. So bots, I guess.
Primethius
Banned
Most of my favorite games are team-based, so I can't really agree. You bring up some reasonable points but it's not as if that stuff is non-existent in 1 v 1 scenarios.
Lag as a deflection from actual skill is an excuse present in 1 v 1 scenarios and there's plenty more reasons that people deflect from self-improvement to blaming the game. And while there's more reasons to blame in a team-based game, I feel that the benefits far outweigh the negatives.
Lag as a deflection from actual skill is an excuse present in 1 v 1 scenarios and there's plenty more reasons that people deflect from self-improvement to blaming the game. And while there's more reasons to blame in a team-based game, I feel that the benefits far outweigh the negatives.
test_account
XP-39C²
That coin flip goes for the other team as well, so things should even out.
AgainstTheGrain
Member
Playing multiplayer competitive games with random people is awesome. In life, I know that when I am a beginner at something I am not going to do as well as other people would want me to do at first. I try my best not to be the weakest link.....with everything. Play hard, elevate. Just try to help, regardless. You could be the worst guy in the game, but if you pull something off at the end that helps win the game then people can respect that. I could put together a 10 hour video of people doing the wrong things and losing, I still died right next to them trying to shoot, revive, and capture objectives with them. I don't even use a microphone and people send me tons of invites and friend requests.
Point being, just do what you're supposed to do. If you play with low grade teammates against opponents that work better all together as a team.....it makes you better because it forces you to play harder and elevate in order to get the job done. I get frustrated too sometimes, but that frustration made me better as well as a better team player. And that doesn't just apply to videogames...
Point being, just do what you're supposed to do. If you play with low grade teammates against opponents that work better all together as a team.....it makes you better because it forces you to play harder and elevate in order to get the job done. I get frustrated too sometimes, but that frustration made me better as well as a better team player. And that doesn't just apply to videogames...
Solo play in team-based multiplayer games is like playing roulette and, like you say, it's easy to blame your teammates rather than learning what you could've done better. Playing with randoms also means you can never get used to your teammate's ways of playing in order to anticipate their plays and going along with them.
Playing with friends means you know who tends to be more reckless, who plays cautiously, and who likes doing unorthodox stuff to mess with the opposing team, and while some elements such as pings can help the random team craft a strategy, complex moves such as well-timed flanking, well-coordinated pushes, or doing optimal ability rotations as a party are way, way harder to perform reliably. Playing with friends also has the bonus of being able to discuss past matches in a more civilized manner (since you're pretty much guaranteed to be playing with them often in the future, unlike with randoms). If your team tank sucked at a particular game, you can discuss it, and have everyone share their opinions on what they saw worked well and what needs tweaking.
But then again, that'd probably hold true with team sports in real life... I think that if every single team was made by drawing names from a lottery, and all but guaranteeing that they won't see each other again due to the immense player pool, then toxicity would probably be a big concern, even without the veil of anonimity the internet provides.
For example, LoL games before you got to choose a role would often have people rushing to "claim" their prefered/main role, and would argue endlessly if two or more people in the team happened to set their sights in the same role, often leading to flaming or players threatening to AFK, feed or do a troll pick just to piss their teammates off. And when a game begins like that, well...
Playing with friends means you know who tends to be more reckless, who plays cautiously, and who likes doing unorthodox stuff to mess with the opposing team, and while some elements such as pings can help the random team craft a strategy, complex moves such as well-timed flanking, well-coordinated pushes, or doing optimal ability rotations as a party are way, way harder to perform reliably. Playing with friends also has the bonus of being able to discuss past matches in a more civilized manner (since you're pretty much guaranteed to be playing with them often in the future, unlike with randoms). If your team tank sucked at a particular game, you can discuss it, and have everyone share their opinions on what they saw worked well and what needs tweaking.
But then again, that'd probably hold true with team sports in real life... I think that if every single team was made by drawing names from a lottery, and all but guaranteeing that they won't see each other again due to the immense player pool, then toxicity would probably be a big concern, even without the veil of anonimity the internet provides.
For example, LoL games before you got to choose a role would often have people rushing to "claim" their prefered/main role, and would argue endlessly if two or more people in the team happened to set their sights in the same role, often leading to flaming or players threatening to AFK, feed or do a troll pick just to piss their teammates off. And when a game begins like that, well...
RichiRamjag
Member
I don't mind games like cod or battlefield, but something like overwatch or smite turns me into a maniac. I really lose my cool.
op, something i've learned from pro streamers (and myself) is to stay positive in your attitude, focus on your own play and what you could do, could've done better and you'll have alot more fun and be a better player/competitor in the process. you kno and sometimes you'll get like 4 tilting games in a row with trolly players or just having a bad mood and u need to take a break.
I do!