Infinite Justice
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Lazy vs Crazy said:
Yea i saw it in the other thread.
thats good.
plus to be fair people stopped getting on their case about the article being pulled once Spooky and Haunts kinda cleared the air.
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Team Sp00ky's Stream Gear Seized by the Department of Homeland Security
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Yea i saw it in the other thread.
thats good.
plus to be fair people stopped getting on their case about the article being pulled once Spooky and Haunts kinda cleared the air.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Nah, Keits totally has it in for Spooky. Derp.Lazy vs Crazy said:
Sp00ky's on GAF?Sp00ky said:
YO DAMN. GAF loves you Sp00ky and always has, we hope everything works out for you man. Nothing can keep Team Sp00ky down. Classic game streams to pass the time!
When does CC.TV start?Fersis said:
I posted in the Mahvel thread already but this shit is so fucked up. Sp00ky is the hardest working guy in the game. SMH at people in this thread who can't respect a dude who quit his real job to service the community.
Good shit to Kotaku for looking out. Real good look for Crecente.
Did I miss Sp00ky on Frame Trap already..?
Infinite Justice
Member
Sixfortyfive said:
This should be water under the bridge by now.
enzo_gt said:
Yes he was in the first segment
sixteen-bit
Member
In about 12 minutes I believe.enzo_gt said:
This week's CC Live isn't for another 2 hours._dementia said:
Also, thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=446636
Professor Beef
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PKrockin said:
Neuromancer
Member
No. They *didn't* do anything they're not allowed, by statute, to do.hteng said:
XANDER CAGE
Member
Neuromancer said:
Sp00ky is currently in the 8wayrun stream chat:
http://www.twitch.tv/8wayrun
Also Mahvel Grand Finals atm.
http://www.twitch.tv/8wayrun
Also Mahvel Grand Finals atm.
Neuromancer
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Haha oops. Damn iPad autocorrect!
SolarPowered
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This page is off to a great start.
ZackieChan
Member
I'm pretty sure (only a law student, not a lawyer) that this isn't even a Patriot Act issue. Basically, the government can search whatever it wants at the border, and at virtual borders (international airport terminals) without any particularized suspicion. This goes back to the Framers.
StriKeVillain
Banned
Just donated some to TS. Haven't done it in the past and figure I get so much enjoyment for free that I could pony up some dollars for the man.
Neuromancer
Member
Welcome to like, 200 years ago, when US Customs was formed and granted border search authority.Shaheed79 said:
It's older than that buddy. Just because a corrupt and unfair system is old doesn't mean we the citizens shouldn't do what it takes to change it.Neuromancer said:
Privacy is a thing of the distant past. They use to have subvert the constitution and the bill of rights incognito. Now they do it out in the open and we still bend over and take like we deserve it. Our unwillingness to change this sad reality has similarities with the battered wife syndrome.
Neuromancer
Member
Well if we took border search authority away there'd be no way of controlling what came into the country, in cargo containers, suitcases or on people's persons. No one except the most extreme libertarians would be happy with that.Shaheed79 said:
What are you even talking about? What does any of that have to do with them taking Spooky's laptop, cameras and phone? Where does it end? They can do whatever they want to any American citizen without a warrant or even probable cause. You have the right to shut up or go to jail. That's the opposite of freedom.Neuromancer said:
phosphor112
Banned
Shaheed79 said:
While I agree with you (I've had the FBI search my house just cuz I'm arab), I don't think there is a need for comments like that to antagonize those who might defend such things.
Neuromancer
Member
It has everything to do with it. I think I explained it rather well.Shaheed79 said:
I don't know what the officers' rationale for detaining his stuff was, but arguing their authority to do so is a dead end street.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
Welcome to America in 2011 if you paid any attention in the last 10 years.Shaheed79 said:
You should know that Americans last about 75% of all their freedoms, the government can do what ever they want to anyone when ever.
Even as a tourist your stuff can and will be taken at the airport and if you do not comply you can leave the country immediately.
America as home to the free is long gone.
On topic, good that the fighting game community is getting spooky back up on its feet amazing to see how people are willing to support someone who has giving a lot to the community.
Ow and to spooky keep your chin up and the only 1 thing you can do now if work even harder and do not let this get to you.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Ledsen said:
It's the terrorists.
Just ask George W.
The war on terror is very real don'cha know...
semiconscious
Member
Neuromancer said:
arguing their authority, yes. but, as with tsa, well worthy of anger & disgust at this point. particularly to the extent that their 'authority' looks more'n'more like 'license to do whatever the hell they wanna' every day...
I was apprehensive to post this reply but we cannot be afraid to say what really needs to be said on this issue. Not this time. This is too important.
When these kind of things happen American's attitude seem to typically be; "Oh man that sucks." while simultaneously thinking; "Glad that didn't happen to me." when it just as easily could have been any of us.
Some of you think that I am overacting and maybe even rocking the boat too much but sometimes the boat needs rocking. Our communities will organize and go above and beyond to try to get a game we want to play localized, but something like this provokes a different reaction.
Americans are so afraid to "cause trouble", that they would even refuse to stand up for their own rights as private citizens which were written in our countries Bill of Rights to protect us.
Donating Team Sp00key money is commendable but it doesn't really fix what is broken as much as it is a temporary band-aid. What is to stop them from doing it again and again to the point where he just refuses to leave the country with his equipment? Even if you think it is unlikely to happen to him again that isn't the point.
Before this occurred Sp00ky was (and I hope continues to be) a trailblazer in what independent live streaming could offer. This is much bigger than simple video game streams. This is about freedom of information and the right to provide that information.
If we choose to not stand up for the rights of people like Sp00ky, and renounce the actions of Homeland Security on this matter, then who is going to do the same for you or me if and when they chose to do this to any one of us?
If you agree with me even a little bit but feel like "What else can we do besides donate more money to Team Sp00ky". Don't always assume we are powerless to change anything.
At the very least you can call or write your congressman (or better yet do both) and express your dissatisfaction to the way HS handles these kind of seizures. We can do this and get our point across without mentioning Sp00ky directly which is not an option without his permission.
If you so choose you can calmly call and/or write your congressman and tell them that you wish to express a grievance. Then simply describe the situation and let them know the service in which he was trying to provide for us and then explain why you feel it was a violation of our bill of rights for HS to confiscate his equipment without even a warrant or probable cause. Make sure you close by thanking them for their time.
If you know some friends who enjoy Sp00ky's stream then encourage them to do the same but be sure to instruct them NOT to give any information that could identify Sp00ky personally.
Unless Sp00ky says that it is ok, it is not our right to draw any attention to him specifically. Appealing to the media, for example the newspapers society/people section, might not have been a bad idea but something like that would be completely up to Sp00ky.
It sounds like he just wants to move on from this as quickly as possible and I completely respect that. I just pray they don't make a habit of this and discourage him from doing what he loves.
You sound like me. However just because you already know that our freedoms are compromised doesn't mean that you shouldn't express concern and maybe even some good ol fashion outrage when something like this happens.The Dutch Slayer said:
When these kind of things happen American's attitude seem to typically be; "Oh man that sucks." while simultaneously thinking; "Glad that didn't happen to me." when it just as easily could have been any of us.
Some of you think that I am overacting and maybe even rocking the boat too much but sometimes the boat needs rocking. Our communities will organize and go above and beyond to try to get a game we want to play localized, but something like this provokes a different reaction.
Americans are so afraid to "cause trouble", that they would even refuse to stand up for their own rights as private citizens which were written in our countries Bill of Rights to protect us.
Donating Team Sp00key money is commendable but it doesn't really fix what is broken as much as it is a temporary band-aid. What is to stop them from doing it again and again to the point where he just refuses to leave the country with his equipment? Even if you think it is unlikely to happen to him again that isn't the point.
Before this occurred Sp00ky was (and I hope continues to be) a trailblazer in what independent live streaming could offer. This is much bigger than simple video game streams. This is about freedom of information and the right to provide that information.
If we choose to not stand up for the rights of people like Sp00ky, and renounce the actions of Homeland Security on this matter, then who is going to do the same for you or me if and when they chose to do this to any one of us?
If you agree with me even a little bit but feel like "What else can we do besides donate more money to Team Sp00ky". Don't always assume we are powerless to change anything.
At the very least you can call or write your congressman (or better yet do both) and express your dissatisfaction to the way HS handles these kind of seizures. We can do this and get our point across without mentioning Sp00ky directly which is not an option without his permission.
If you so choose you can calmly call and/or write your congressman and tell them that you wish to express a grievance. Then simply describe the situation and let them know the service in which he was trying to provide for us and then explain why you feel it was a violation of our bill of rights for HS to confiscate his equipment without even a warrant or probable cause. Make sure you close by thanking them for their time.
If you know some friends who enjoy Sp00ky's stream then encourage them to do the same but be sure to instruct them NOT to give any information that could identify Sp00ky personally.
Unless Sp00ky says that it is ok, it is not our right to draw any attention to him specifically. Appealing to the media, for example the newspapers society/people section, might not have been a bad idea but something like that would be completely up to Sp00ky.
It sounds like he just wants to move on from this as quickly as possible and I completely respect that. I just pray they don't make a habit of this and discourage him from doing what he loves.