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[Sou Da]

So do the Nick guys have hateboner for 2k3 TMNT or something? I feel that crossing over with them would have been more interesting.

 

[Sanjuro]

It's fair to say that 2K3 really isn't a well known entry in the series at this stage. It had some of the best episodes in the franchise, but I don't see it as a latching on point for a variety of fans.

Mirage fans probably appreciate it the most.

 

[Sou Da]

It's fair to say that 2K3 really isn't a well known entry in the series at this stage. It had some of the best episodes in the franchise, but I don't see it as a latching on point for a variety of fans.

Mirage fans probably appreciate it the most.

I don't see why this means the Nick show should ignore it. And honestly I blame it's lack of legacy on its network.

 

[Sanjuro]

I don't see why this means the Nick show should ignore it. And honestly I blame it's lack of legacy on its network.

I'm not sure either. I'm just fine with it left as is. When it comes to the franchise the 80s cartoon is still the link they should keep in mind.

 

[Platy]

It's fair to say that 2K3 really isn't a well known entry in the series at this stage. It had some of the best episodes in the franchise, but I don't see it as a latching on point for a variety of fans.

Mirage fans probably appreciate it the most.

I am curious ... what do you think are those episodes from the 2k3 series ?

 

[Sanjuro]

I am curious ... what do you think are those episodes from the 2k3 series ?

I'd have to look up some, but plenty were taken right from the books.

The King is a standout, as it's one of my favorite Mirage books.

 

[meltingparappa]

I appreciate this.

Although I'm biased for

 

[Slayven]

the 2d animation was so rough they shouldn't have bothered

 

[spunodi]

I'm disappointed at the cynicism shown here. I fucking loved it and it reconciled the 2D / 3D thing very well for me stylistically.

Turtles 2K3 or whatever just seemed like such a joyless thing and so it's no deal-breaker for me. Yes, the first half of season 3 was stalling for horror parodies and the first half of season 4 is stalling for space parodies but this is the strongest Turtles universe for me and seeing it connected with my childhood love worked beautifully.

I loved it. Gonna watch it again.

Turtle power!

 

[Sanjuro]

the 2d animation was so rough they shouldn't have bothered

Yeah, but I appreciated it.

I overall like what they are doing. I'm more of a Mirage guy though. Between this and IDW series I'm in and out of the shop.

 

[Diggeh]

It's fair to say that 2K3 really isn't a well known entry in the series at this stage. It had some of the best episodes in the franchise, but I don't see it as a latching on point for a variety of fans.

Mirage fans probably appreciate it the most.

TMNT 2003 is the best Turtles show bar none. It didn't drop in quality until Fast Forward, which was Season 6. Meanwhile, TMNT 2012 has lately been meandering around with near full seasons of monster-of-the-day antics since Season 3. I love 2012 a ton, but 2003 can't be beat.

 

[Wingfan19]

I think my favorite part about this episode is the fact new Raph was just shitting all over old Raph the entire time, hahaha. Calling them out for not using their weapons and when old Raph pulled that pizza out and did his 80's intro sequence, complete with a "that's crude".

 

[Sanjuro]

TMNT 2003 is the best Turtles show bar none. It didn't drop in quality until Fast Forward, which was Season 6. Meanwhile, TMNT 2012 has lately been meandering around with near full seasons of monster-of-the-day antics since Season 3. I love 2012 a ton, but 2003 can't be beat.

I disagree. 2k3 had plenty of drops.

 

[TreIII]

the 2d animation was so rough they shouldn't have bothered

Ditto. Which is all the more disappointing because they really nailed the look of the 80's verse in Turtles Forever. Not to mention actually had other characters like April, Splinter, B&R and Shredder appear on the same token.

Overall, I was disappointed by the episode just being a "lesser" Turtles Forever that repeated a number of the same comedy beats. The "initials on belt buckle", the "these guys aren't real ninja!", the "we can't just wander around to get pizza in plain view because obvious reasons". We even got

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a brief visit to Turtle Prime where the Prime Turtles AGAIN are made as maniacs that attempted to kill/do bodily harm to the current and 80's turtles.

Considering how much in common this current show has with the 80's one, I'm honestly surprised they didn't do more to play it up in an episode that could have at least run for an hour or be a 3-4 parter.

Ah, well. I only came back for this ep, anyway.

I don't see why this means the Nick show should ignore it. And honestly I blame it's lack of legacy on its network.

2K3 has other problems, though. While the show does tend to re-run on weekends, Nick still hasn't done anything to suggest that they'll do other basic things for the show, such as, y'know...give it the full DVD run that the show never had.

Of course, considering the show has been available for years via "wink wink" means for those interested in it, I suppose that's all the more reason for them to not lose sleep over the fact that they haven't done so yet. But hey, if even Fox threw 90's X-men toon fan a bone after so many years, maybe Viacom and Nick will get their acts together, some day.

 

[Septimus Prime]

Yeah, "Turtles Forever" is better, but let's talk about that ending. I loved

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how it ties together the ending of season 1 with now and also binds the 80s show to the current timeline. Hopefully we'll see little snippets of them dealing with Tigerclaw in the future, too.

 

[tkscz]

Ditto. Which is all the more disappointing because they really nailed the look of the 80's verse in Turtles Forever. Not to mention actually had other characters like April, Splinter, B&R and Shredder appear on the same token.

Overall, I was disappointed by the episode just being a "lesser" Turtles Forever that repeated a number of the same comedy beats. The "initials on belt buckle", the "these guys aren't real ninja!", the "we can't just wander around to get pizza in plain view because obvious reasons". We even got

Spoiler

a brief visit to Turtle Prime where the Prime Turtles AGAIN are made as maniacs that attempted to kill/do bodily harm to the current and 80's turtles.

Considering how much in common this current show has with the 80's one, I'm honestly surprised they didn't do more to play it up in an episode that could have at least run for an hour or be a 3-4 parter.

Ah, well. I only came back for this ep, anyway.

This.

A lot of this episode was just a shortened Turtles Forever, with the exception of the 80's turtles being taken more seriously (In TF, all four 80's Turtles act more like 80's Mikey). They even did an out of place 4th wall joke, at least the TF one made more sense. I feel this episode would've been better if instead

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of the third bomb being in the turtles prime verse, it was in the 2k3-verse. And if the 80's turtles made references to turtles forever, even saying something like "we were expecting bigger turtles" or "you're not the ones we were looking for but we can't argue".

At least I feel that would make it feel less like a cliffnotes version of TF.

 

[Septimus Prime]

This.

A lot of this episode was just a shortened Turtles Forever, with the exception of the 80's turtles being taken more seriously (In TF, all four 80's Turtles act more like 80's Mikey). They even did an out of place 4th wall joke, at least the TF one made more sense. I feel this episode would've been better if instead

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of the third bomb being in the turtles prime verse, it was in the 2k3-verse. And if the 80's turtles made references to turtles forever, even saying something like "we were expecting bigger turtles" or "you're not the ones we were looking for but we can't argue".

At least I feel that would make it feel less like a cliffnotes version of TF.

Yeah, it was actually a logic error on Krang's part to put

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bombs in the 2012 and 1980s universes in addition to the one in Prime, since the Prime one would have destroyed all three and would never have been found.

 

[Sephzilla]

Kinda surprised by the TMNT 2k3 love, I always thought that show was a bit joyless and one of the lesser versions.

 

[tkscz]

I don't see why this means the Nick show should ignore it. And honestly I blame it's lack of legacy on its network.

The 80's cartoon has more nostalgia grab and is the biggest base for this series, even though they've taken a few 2k3 characters (Hun for example). Also, while 2K3 was one of 4kids biggest success, it was still 4kids who published it, and trust me, there is a lot of hate for the series just because 4kids published it. I personally feel it's the best in the series, even with it's

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alien shredder

. The writing, animation, stories and characters were always well done, and even though it tries to play off being "SUPER SERIOUS!" it really wasn't. Not to mention the amazing fight scenes. Regardless of quality, the 80's is what is most remembered, so I understand them doing another 80's crossover.

Yeah, it was actually a logic error on Krang's part to put

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bombs in the 2012 and 1980s universes in addition to the one in Prime, since the Prime one would have destroyed all three and would never have been found.

This was something I thought about after the fact as 2k3 shredder tried to do the exact same thing

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(remove the prime verse and destroy all verses)

. 2k3 shredder was revived by 80's shredder and krang, so it made sense he started there and

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then went to prime.

Again, it's something Krang could've referenced but didn't. Making it even less sensible to even bother with the 2012 verse.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

Just saw what they did to the Neutrinos, oh my horribleness.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

As someone who grew up with the original series as an obsession and then grew out of it, only to jump back in because of the leaked movie images and the nick series (and having a little one to mark out with), I've completely abandoned the original series and wiped it from my nostalgia.

Needless to say, the new ep didn't do anything for me in that regard and proved how corny those designs were/are, especially adapted to 3D. I can't believe people A) prefer them to the nick show and B) wished the new movie was more like it... meh.

the 2d animation was so rough they shouldn't have bothered

I think it wasn't rough enough. Too many clean lines and empty spaces.

 

[TreIII]

Yeah, "Turtles Forever" is better, but let's talk about that ending. I loved

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how it ties together the ending of season 1 with now and also binds the 80s show to the current timeline. Hopefully we'll see little snippets of them dealing with Tigerclaw in the future, too.

Not that I guess it really matters, but I wonder how seriously they'll try to link the 80's toon with the 2K12 show. I mean, admitting that

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80's Krang is related to the 2012 Krang

would mean admitting that Krang's race's bizarre lizard bodies are still canon, somehow.

All the best to the Nick show writers if they want to deal with that! I'm unavailable!

Kinda surprised by the TMNT 2k3 love, I always thought that show was a bit joyless and one of the lesser versions.

Far from joyless, in my opinion. The thing about 2K3's humor was that it was often just like a comic book (well, namely Mirage). In its prime, the beauty was often more in the dialogue and the "blink and you'll miss it" references, and less Looney Tunes sight gags. And as annoying as Mikey got in the 2K3 series, I found Nick's even more the insufferable "idiot hero".

Little wonder Nick had no problem having inserts that depicted him with their other idiot heroes like Spongebob.

 

[Odoul]

I'm about an episode behind on this show.

Speakingof 2K2 though, anything with Hun, Stockman or Bishop you can't go wrong.

Oh and Same as It Never Was is probably the best ep of any turtle show.

Anything to do with the Battle Nexus is pretty great too.

 

[MisterHero]

I LOVE how the Retro Turtles looked in 3D. But oh my god... the 2D scenes were terrible. It was even a step down from the cameo in Wormquake.

I prefer having the real voice actors, but Turtles Forever did good on the animation (mostly).

 

[papertoonz]

ah man i was hoping this cross over would be good but hearing from you guys puts me down a bit

Kinda surprised by the TMNT 2k3 love, I always thought that show was a bit joyless and one of the lesser versions.

TMNT 2k3 still might be my favorite TMNT cartoon, sure it went to shit in the later part of it's life but it's first couple of seasons i find are really great. it just nails that comic book feel and while i can under stand more comedy focused stuff i don't like TMNT when it's like that

 

[MisterHero]

My disappointment with the 2D scenes is compounded by how much I liked Space Heroes and those other in-show cartoons. Maybe because they were rendered on an in-show TV set I couldn't see all the flaws.

 

[MrCunningham]

I liked Turtles Forever better.

Didn't help that they reused alot of the jokes from that and the 2D animation was really bad.

Still it was fun to see Krang again, and having the original VAs..

Yeah, it felt like they reused all of the jokes from Turtles Forever. The animation was much better in the crossover movie too. My only complaint with Turtles Forever was the dumbed down personalities that they gave the 1987 turtles. But then again, it did kind of fall into the natural progression of the dumbing down of that series anyway. I was surprised that the original voice actors could get back into their roles though.

 

[SRG01]

Yeah, it felt like they reused all of the jokes from Turtles Forever. The animation was much better in the crossover movie too. My only complaint with Turtles Forever was the dumbed down personalities that they gave the 1987 turtles. But then again, it did kind of fall into the natural progression of the dumbing down of that series anyway. I was surprised that the original voice actors could get back into their roles though.

I was really impressed that the VA for Krang still had the voice down.

 

[Platy]

You guys are really comparing animation of a 2d animated MOVIE with a 3d cartoon with very small 2d animation ?

I'm about an episode behind on this show.

Speakingof 2K2 though, anything with Hun, Stockman or Bishop you can't go wrong.

Oh and Same as It Never Was is probably the best ep of any turtle show.

Anything to do with the Battle Nexus is pretty great too.

AND THEN .... you guys loose me.

"Same as it Never Was" was the "linking park amv" of ninja turtle episodes

 

[tkscz]

You guys are really comparing animation of a 2d animated MOVIE with a 3d cartoon with very small 2d animation ?



AND THEN .... you guys loose me.

"Same as it Never Was" was the "linking park amv" of ninja turtle episodes

Wasn't that the one where Donnie went into a Dark future where

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the other turtles ended up dying in the end

? I thought that one was ok, but the entirety of the mutation saga was the best. The best animation, the best fight scenes, the best conflicts, story, writing. To me, it was the perfect ending to the series. I have no problem with season 5, though it got a little silly toward the end. Season 6 was abysmal and felt somewhat like a 4kids mandate. Season 7 felt like it was trying to get away from 6, but 6 kept pulling it back in.

 

[TreIII]

AND THEN .... you guys loose me.

"Same as it Never Was" was the "linking park amv" of ninja turtle episodes

So, a pretty by the book homage to X-men's "Days of Future Past" comic arc is Linkin Park material, now?

What would that make the 80's series episode, "Shredderville", then?

 

[G-Fex]

You guys are really comparing animation of a 2d animated MOVIE with a 3d cartoon with very small 2d animation ?



AND THEN .... you guys loose me.

"Same as it Never Was" was the "linking park amv" of ninja turtle episodes

That's the most perfect way to describe that. Bravo

 

[Chaotic-Strike]

Not that I guess it really matters, but I wonder how seriously they'll try to link the 80's toon with the 2K12 show. I mean, admitting that

Spoiler

80's Krang is related to the 2012 Krang

would mean admitting that Krang's race's bizarre lizard bodies are still canon, somehow.

All the best to the Nick show writers if they want to deal with that! I'm unavailable!



Far from joyless, in my opinion. The thing about 2K3's humor was that it was often just like a comic book (well, namely Mirage). In its prime, the beauty was often more in the dialogue and the "blink and you'll miss it" references, and less Looney Tunes sight gags. And as annoying as Mikey got in the 2K3 series, I found Nick's even more the insufferable "idiot hero".

Little wonder Nick had no problem having inserts that depicted him with their other idiot heroes like Spongebob.

That part never made sense to me since fairly early in the 87 show, it's made clear by Krang that he originally had a body, but he got stripped of it and then was banished to earth.

He also got real embarrassed at being seen in his brain form when he met his henchmen in that Neutrino episode.

 

[erlim]

I'm pretty sure that

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Tigerclaw is going to straight up murder the 80s turtles.

 

[spunodi]

Well the space saga finally ended and I think it got a pretty good payoff.

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The Fugitoid fakeout and sacrifice was quite well done

Looking forward to more familiar settings however and some Karai closure *fingers crossed*

 

[MisterHero]

I'm pretty sure that

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Tigerclaw is going to straight up murder the 80s turtles.

lol

I think there's gonna be another 80s TMNT episode. Seeing them in 3D makes me hanker for a videogame starring them. It doesn't help they recreated the character select screen from Turtles in Time

 

[Blues1990]

I wished the 1980's Krang had more of a common sense handicap than being an idiot, which had bothered me the most. It was also weird to see that version being related to the 2012 incarnation, as that alone is a barrel full of worms best not to get into.

 

[Captin Quacker]

ok so

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if the earth wasn't destroyed and splinter wasn't killed why did the past turtles leave? and where are they going?

 

[DJKhaled]

Is this show good again? I stopped after midway through season 3 when every episode was monster of the week boring crap. The first 2 seasons were excellent though.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Is this show good again? I stopped after midway through season 3 when every episode was monster of the week boring crap. The first 2 seasons were excellent though.

Not as great as the first two but I'd say the space season was a big step up from 3

 

[unknownstranger]

ok so

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if the earth wasn't destroyed and splinter wasn't killed why did the past turtles leave? and where are they going?

Why not? It's a lot of kids dream to go to space. I doubt we'll see where they went off to but I'm ready for more Earth stuff again.

Is this show good again? I stopped after midway through season 3 when every episode was monster of the week boring crap. The first 2 seasons were excellent though.

Season 4 was laid out a lot better than season 3 since you knew what the end game was from the start. Season 3 was really aimless until they started pushing the Karai plot late in it. Season 4's lows aren't as low as Season 3's but the highs aren't higher for me either.

 

[Cow Mengde]

Yeah, Turtles Forever was way better. The crossover episode felt so rushed. Like they were just itching to jump from one scene to the next, and didn't know how to pace things. A lot of the voices were pretty damn good recreations even if they couldn't hire the original voice actors. Only Leo was bad in TF.

 

[NeonZ]

This.

A lot of this episode was just a shortened Turtles Forever, with the exception of the 80's turtles being taken more seriously (In TF, all four 80's Turtles act more like 80's Mikey).

After their initial introduction, they later had scenes showing how each 80s Turtle could add something that their 2k3 counterpart couldn't. The main issue was that they seemingly forgot to give one of those scenes to 80s Leonardo, who was just useless when he got focus or in the background of larger scenes throughout.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

That ending could have been handled better.

I would have had Renet show up and course correct time by making the turtles merge into one or something.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Is that the end of the season? Feels like a short season if so. I liked the space theme, but don't really like all that time traveling junk.

 

[Rootbeer]

Is that the end of the season? Feels like a short season if so. I liked the space theme, but don't really like all that time traveling junk.

There are 26 episodes this season. Last week's was 14. Season 4 was originally only 20 episodes (which would have made it the shortest season of the show so far), but they extended it.

 

[Septimus Prime]

Why would the past turtles even go off with Fugitoid?

 

[aparisi2274]

Why would the past turtles even go off with Fugitoid?

That didnt make sense either, but I assume it was to keep the timelines in place... I also have a feeling those turtles will show up again with some sort of earth shattering news from the future...

 

[Rootbeer]

Why would the past turtles even go off with Fugitoid?

Yeah I feel like the motivation for them to willingly leave like that was way, way weak. But whatever, it's a kid's show and nobody really cares They had to get rid of them somehow. Nobody wants a show with two versions of the turtles, casey and april. It would be super old after... about one episode. And they can use it as a plot point later on if they have to.

What if a turtle dies? No prob, just get one of those doubles to replace him. Stuff like that. haha.

 

[Septimus Prime]

That didnt make sense either, but I assume it was to keep the timelines in place... I also have a feeling those turtles will show up again with some sort of earth shattering news from the future...

That, and they can now do random, one-off space episodes for filler. Still made no sense plot-wise, though.