Yeah, it's weird. He's not even citing cheaters, but that other players THINK there might be cheaters, which is a weird reason to make such a decision.
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Tekken 7's Harada: Cross Play Unlikely (cites First Party Policies and PC Hacks)
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Yeah, it's weird. He's not even citing cheaters, but that other players THINK there might be cheaters, which is a weird reason to make such a decision.
I believe the "First Party Policies" comment is the reason behind no PS4-XB1 cross play. And the "PC Hacks" argument is the reason behind no PS4-PC & XB1-PC cross play.
First one I can understand. Second one is grade A tomfoolery. Just give people on the console the option to choose whether they want PC players included in the pool of Ranked fighters they can fight or not.
First one I can understand. Second one is grade A tomfoolery. Just give people on the console the option to choose whether they want PC players included in the pool of Ranked fighters they can fight or not.
Via Purifico
Banned
Harada makes bad excuses pretty often when it comes to certain things.
The team said certain characters weren't too popular in Tag 2 despite Kunimitsu and Jun being top ten in their own data for home consoles.
This isn't too surprising lol.
The team said certain characters weren't too popular in Tag 2 despite Kunimitsu and Jun being top ten in their own data for home consoles.
This isn't too surprising lol.
LordBaztion
Member
PC hacks are an issue with UWA too?
BigEmil
Junior Member
Just because you got lucky and didn't face hackers does not mean they don't exist. I have run into some hackers on SFV alone whether it's the usual hacks or macros/scripts cheaters
Its not even the actual cheating itself, just the reputation.
GhostTrick
Banned
It's not about luck. I also didn't said they don't exist, I said it's far from being widespread and only a small minority. Most of the time when people complains about cheat is just because they can't handle the fact that they lost.
By the way, you also can have macros on console:
http://cronusmax.com/macro-programming/
The most prolific cheater in SFV plays on PS4.
Cheating in SFV in general pretty much has nothing to do with the actual matches being played, either.
This is a mistake but then again this is what I expect of Japanese fighting game developers at this point. FG apologists will go on and on about how fighting games aren't accessible while the people making them have no clue on how to expand and maintain a healthy player base for the long-term.
Cheating in SFV in general pretty much has nothing to do with the actual matches being played, either.
This is a mistake but then again this is what I expect of Japanese fighting game developers at this point. FG apologists will go on and on about how fighting games aren't accessible while the people making them have no clue on how to expand and maintain a healthy player base for the long-term.
The most disappointing fact about Harada's position is that Namco's last Tekken release on console is the hacker/cheater infected Tekken Revolution... a PS3 exclusive.
Though it is rare, you will come across someone with stats that far exceed the maximum that can't be damaged and kill you with a single punch. There are also disconnect and lag cheaters galore, and Namco never lifted a finger to address the problem.
Harada, at least fix the non-cross play garbage people are capable of doing to ruin the experience before griping about cross play issues.
Though it is rare, you will come across someone with stats that far exceed the maximum that can't be damaged and kill you with a single punch. There are also disconnect and lag cheaters galore, and Namco never lifted a finger to address the problem.
Harada, at least fix the non-cross play garbage people are capable of doing to ruin the experience before griping about cross play issues.
They sure as fuck aren't "common" and letting the few bad apples spoil it for everyone else is stupid no matter how you cut it.
Spaced Harrier
Member
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Leafhopper
Banned
I knew no one liked these things for converters but I didn't know they had bullshit like this too. Or wait is this reason why the FGC didn't like them in the first place? I thought it was because the things were faulty.
No macros on console, no Sir!
Clint Beastwood
Banned
The most famous 'cheater' is the Infiltration bot and it plays on PS4
Jawmuncher
Member
There's always next gen
A friend of mine is ranked 68th right now on the SFV rankings, was in the top 10 during the launch months, and hasn't spoken to me once about "hackers" and it's safe to say he's played thousands of matches. Did you go back and watch replays of the supposed scripters or are you blaming loses on a boogyman?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the ability to use macros isn't easier on PC or denying that in general cheating is typically more prevalent on PC but the hyperbole around cheating on PC never seems to die down, especially when it comes to cheating on something like a fighting game which is incredibly hard to do compared to a genre like FPS.
Leafhopper
Banned
Every time...
Vital Tundra
Member
Stupid decision.
Nemesis121
Member
Some cunts on PC SFV use borderless hack online play, which IMO wouldn't be an issue if Capcom would sync the netcode but whatever, the other hacks are in game currency to buy DLC items for free...
PC botting too, the bot mimics all your movement...
wonderful103
Member
Microsoft is fine with it
Leafhopper
Banned
You mean the thing that can be made easily on PS4 as well?
It's Sony. And there will be people on this site that will be happy no crossplay is happening with games.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
The continued blind eye towards the EQUALLY porous PS4 version's shenanigans is alarming, to say the least.
You'd think both companies would be down considering that such a feature could help drive sales of games and PS Plus/Gold subscriptions.
Tekken 7 won't be a UWA, it'll be on Steam.
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
Sad Affleck
Member
This is the wrong decision for a game that is getting released on PC for the first time.
Leafhopper
Banned
It sure is a horrible look
It will be more alive than SFV hopefully.
Heaven Shard
Banned
Why don't they just come out and say; "we don't know PC, no one uses PC, fuck PC".
thehillissilent
Member
Pretty much. Cross play is completely fine in SFV and KI. Capcom doesn't want us bypassing their crappy micro-transaction system.
Still, I'm glad it's on PC. It's better than nothing.
sixteen-bit
Member
Harada is supposedly into PC gaming
I bet they don't have high hopes after Rise of Incarnates tanked tho
you think it's just a matter of yes or no? because it's easy to put the ball in others court, but squareenix got to talk with MS about crossplay for ff14 and the result was "they don't really get how it works"
pretty done
Member
I'm getting the PC version day one and I know this to be true. I got at least one buddy I know I can play with so I don't care that much, but it really blows to not have crossplay for a game that relies on a community to thrive.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
PC fighting games without crossplay suck, plain and simple.
DR2K
Banned
Nope, PC gamers play well.
I think the wording heavily implies that the technology is there to do PC - console cross play but Namco isn't interested because of the PC exploit bogeymen.
thelastword
Banned
I definitely understand and agree, PC gamers have prevented many leaderboards from being legit. So many people had 1 million Battle points in USF4 on PC........
Allowing PC gamers to play with console players has it's own set of problems. A guy disables vsync in SFV and he can react to whiffs much faster as there's less input lag. A guy can play you with a crappy PC at 45 fps and there's no way you can determine that, you will just have a bad match. PC guys will cheat their way to buying costumes, stages and characters, whilst you struggle on your console to achieve them legitimately.
On console, everybody is playing the same game, the only barrier that prevents a good match is whether one has a good connection or not. I think PC brings too many issues into the mix at the detriment of console players, so it's best you just lock them out of crossplay, unless measures are in place that regulates things. Like seeing the quality of an opponent PC, is he hitting 60fps? should be the minimum standard, ability to opt out of the match if he does not. They could activate a loop where if the PC player has vsync disabled, he cannot play online against a PS4 user, in essence things that make the matches a level playing field.