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Tennessee passes "Don't say Gay" Bill

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Guess that is far as long as they dont talk about seafood, hooved animals, multiple types of fabric, modern day science either.
 
Funky Papa said:
So flowers and bees PG13? Telling little Paul that his friend Johnny is perfectly normal for having two daddies is wrong? Could you please explain me why?
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why is it so wrong to wait until they are older? Just talk about it during sex ed make sex ed a week or two weeks long and cover tons of aspects. Mind telling me where I said that or are just trying to put words in my mouth?
 
Funky Papa said:
So flowers and bees are PG13? Telling little Paul that his friend Johnny is perfectly normal for having two daddies is wrong? Could you please explain me why?
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Probably because he cannot possibly have two daddies. Not genetically possible.

If you took homosexuality to the extreme then the world would cease to exist. That has to tell you something.
 
madara said:
Guess that is far as long as they dont talk about seafood, hooved animals, multiple types of fabric, modern day science either.
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I will not be having my child indoctrinated with Homosexual Darwinian Stalinist Copernican dogma!

Dunk#7 said:
Probably because he cannot possibly have two daddies. Not genetically possible.

If you took homosexuality to the extreme then the world would cease to exist. That has to tell you something.
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That you're a dumbass?
 
Zeke said:
why is it so wrong to wait until they are older? Just talk about it during sex ed make sex ed a week or two weeks long and cover tons of aspects.
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You send the message that homosexuality is something inappropriate for them to learn at that age, automatically making it something "dark".

Zeke said:
Mind telling me where I said that or are just trying to put words in my mouth?
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I'm going to guess you didn't read my full post.
 
Zeke said:
why is it so wrong to wait until they are older? Just talk about it during sex ed make sex ed a week or two weeks long and cover tons of aspects. Mind telling me where I said that or are just trying to put words in my mouth?
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Hey I agree with you but there should be a slow transition slowly explain consequences of actions, sexuality, abstinence vs Contraception etc etc.... Got be careful do we really want to show an 8 year old pus filled genitalia :P
 
Funky Papa said:
You send the message that homosexuality is something inappropiate for them to learn at that age, automatically making it something "dark".
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that makes no sense. They are second graders ffs let them be kids part of being a kid is blissful ignorance. Whats the big deal about waiting 3 years?
 
And here I was hoping that this was a bill trying to discourage the use of the word "gay" as a synonym for "stupid". Sigh, I guess this disappointment is what I get for hoping for the best.
 
madara said:
Guess that is far as long as they dont talk about seafood, hooved animals, multiple types of fabric, modern day science either.
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You are horribly misunderstanding the Bible. There is a large difference between the Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament people operated under Jewish Law. In the New Testament we operate under grace.

Our path to Heaven has NOTHING to do with what we do. Works do not get you into Heaven. It all hinges on if you accept Jesus' payment for your sins.

All other religions teach a works based path to heaven. Everybody has this concept in their head that at the end of their life their good and bad works will be put on a scale and they will be given admittance based on the tilt of the scale. This could not be further from the truth.

Nothing you do can get you into Heaven. Nothing you do can keep you out of Heaven. It is all about what Jesus has already done and if you accept it.
 
This means a lot of novels that are typically used in English classes are de facto banned now.

UK went through this in the 80s with Thatcher's Clause 28.
 
Suairyu said:
Then your point is misguided and false. Sexuality is about more than explicit hunky chunky anal sex. Teachers have every business (and most definitely should) explaining to children that some people have romantic affiliations with members of the same sex. By restricting it to a "only when you're older" thing, you're saying, intentionally or not, that homosexuality is something dirty that an innocent child shouldn't learn about.

Which is quite obviously bullshit.
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You keep telling me that I'm talking about homosexuality, I'm not. I am talking about sexuality in general. I don't think teachers should be teaching kids in the second grade about any type, I think that should be the parents jobs. If a child is asking questions, the teacher should do their best to answer them, but they need to let the parents know so that they can finish the conversation.

I am against this bill 100% by the way. I think it's idiotic and backwards that a bill like this even shows up, let alone passes in any degree.
 
Dunk#7 said:
Probably because he cannot possibly have two daddies. Not genetically possible.

If you took homosexuality to the extreme then the world would cease to exist. That has to tell you something.
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no, the world would still be here. and wtf is your point? the fact is that homosexuality isn't "spreading", humanity can never be 100% homosexual (OR 100% heterosexual). it's logical and natural that there is variety in sexual identities, and the heterosexual/homosexual ratio has remained pretty much the same all throughout history (i think).

also, my friend is adopted, he shouldn't call his parents mom and dad just because they aren't genetically related? ok..
 
Zeke said:
that makes no sense. They are second graders ffs let them be kids part of being a kid is blissful ignorance. Whats the big about waiting 3 years?
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Uh you do realize that kids go to school to learn? so that they aren't "Blissfully Ignorant" of the world around them right?

3 years? Dude more and more junior high age kids are becoming sexually active. This whole wait & see approach that the puritanical set have tried for the last 30 years clearly hasn't worked (not that it ever would). Besides, kids should be taught about puberty before they reach it so they're better prepared. Many other countries teach their kids about this stuff earlier than we do and their teen pregnancy & STD rates are lower than ours.
 
Dunk#7 said:
You are horribly misunderstanding the Bible. There is a large difference between the Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament people operated under Jewish Law. In the New Testament we operate under grace.

Our path to Heaven has NOTHING to do with what we do. Works do not get you into Heaven. It all hinges on if you accept Jesus' payment for your sins.

All other religions teach a works based path to heaven. Everybody has this concept in their head that at the end of their life their good and bad works will be put on a scale and they will be given admittance based on the tilt of the scale. This could not be further from the truth.

Nothing you do can get you into Heaven. Nothing you do can keep you out of Heaven. It is all about what Jesus has already done and if you accept it.
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This guy needs to PM GameAnalyst and hang out.

When your powers combine...
 
Zeke said:
that makes no sense. They are second graders ffs let them be kids part of being a kid is blissful ignorance. Whats the big deal about waiting 3 years?
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We are not talking about the lurid details of buttseqs, just telling them that having parents of the same sex is ok if the question arises. Also, school is a place for book learnin and edumacation.

Edit: Henchmen21's post is better put.
 
Henchmen21 said:
Uh you do realize that kids go to school to learn? so that they aren't "Blissfully Ignorant" of the world around them right?

3 years? Dude more and more junior high age kids are becoming sexually active. This whole wait & see approach that the puritanical set have tried for the last 30 years clearly hasn't worked (not that it ever would). Besides, kids should be taught about puberty before they reach it so they're better prepared. Many other countries teach their kids about this stuff earlier than we do and their teen pregnancy & STD rates are lower than ours.
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yes obviously but it doesn't mean they aren't ignorant of a lot of things. I become sexually active in middle school so yes I know kids are fucking. What wait and see approach are you talking about? Its fifth fucking grade not junior year in high school. Shit like teen pregnancy and STD rates are high because sex ed doesn't teach kids fuck all about sex. Most programs are based on abstinence. Thats why those rates are so fucking high people rather teach no sex then safe sex. It has little to do with the age you teach.
 
astroturfing said:
no, the world would still be here. and wtf is your point? the fact is that homosexuality isn't "spreading", humanity can never be 100% homosexual (OR 100% heterosexual). it's logical and natural that there is variety in sexual identities, and the heterosexual/homosexual ratio has remained pretty much the same all throughout history (i think).

also, my friend is adopted, he shouldn't call his parents mom and dad just because they aren't genetically related? ok..
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The point I am getting at is simply that you cannot reproduce that way. That fact in itself shows that you are not operating within your bodies intended purpose and it is therefore unnatural.

Even off of the religious debate it does not make sense based on our bodies functions.
 
children can handle learning about gay people just as easily as they are able to handle the concept of marriage. It's exactly the same thing, or really, it should be the same thing in our minds.

There's nothing scary or adult about learning about homosexuality.

Dunk#7 said:
The point I am getting at is simply that you cannot reproduce that way. That fact in itself shows that you are not operating within your bodies intended purpose and it is therefore unnatural.

Even off of the religious debate it does not make sense based on our bodies functions.
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There are other animals that have homosexuality tendencies. Are animals unnatural?
 
Dunk#7 said:
The point I am getting at is simply that you cannot reproduce that way. That fact in itself shows that you are not operating within your bodies intended purpose and it is therefore unnatural.
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So what about homosexual behaviour happening among wild animals? How's that unnatural?
 
If I can take one thing away and say, hey, you don’t have to teach about homosexuality to your second-graders, you can spend more time on arithmetic.
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Gotta say I missed that class.

How are teachers supposed to stop bullying then, usually classroom slurs involve aspersions upon someone's sexuality.
 
Dunk#7 said:
You are horribly misunderstanding the Bible. There is a large difference between the Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament people operated under Jewish Law. In the New Testament we operate under grace.

Our path to Heaven has NOTHING to do with what we do. Works do not get you into Heaven. It all hinges on if you accept Jesus' payment for your sins.

All other religions teach a works based path to heaven. Everybody has this concept in their head that at the end of their life their good and bad works will be put on a scale and they will be given admittance based on the tilt of the scale. This could not be further from the truth.

Nothing you do can get you into Heaven. Nothing you do can keep you out of Heaven. It is all about what Jesus has already done and if you accept it.
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:O!
 
OttomanScribe said:
Gotta say I missed that class.

How are teachers supposed to stop bullying then, usually classroom slurs involve aspersions upon someone's sexuality.
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The more damaging aspect is that this bill would prevent school counselors from dealing with a child's homosexuality when they try to help them. It basically handcuffs them.
 
Dunk#7 said:
The point I am getting at is simply that you cannot reproduce that way. That fact in itself shows that you are not operating within your bodies intended purpose and it is therefore unnatural.

Even off of the religious debate it does not make sense based on our bodies functions.
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uhh.. let's buy your old tired argument for a second. so..? a lot of things humans (and other animals) do could be seen as "unnatural", for example typing on a keyboard. what the hell does it matter?

and yes, a lot of creatures on this planet have gay sex. so what!?

just say what you REALLY think and i might respect your stance more. you think homosexuality is a sin and a bad thing because you read it in a book that you think is holy, or am i wrong..?
 
Funky Papa said:
So what about homosexual behaviour happening among wild animals? How's that unnatural?
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1. They are "wild" animals just as you said. Why does what they do have any relevance on human behavior?
2. Humans are on an entirely different level from animals. Created in the image of God. Animals are not meant to be the guidebook of morality lol can you imagine if we based our lives on animal behavior?
3. Are you saying two wrongs make a right?
 
Dunk#7 said:
All other religions teach a works based path to heaven. Everybody has this concept in their head that at the end of their life their good and bad works will be put on a scale and they will be given admittance based on the tilt of the scale. This could not be further from the truth.
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That is wrong on two levels.
1. not all religions even have a concept of heaven to teach a works based entrance to.
2. the second biggest religion in the world (biggest if you separate sects) is not works based.
 
Dunk#7 said:
You are horribly misunderstanding the Bible. There is a large difference between the Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament people operated under Jewish Law. In the New Testament we operate under grace.

Our path to Heaven has NOTHING to do with what we do. Works do not get you into Heaven. It all hinges on if you accept Jesus' payment for your sins.

All other religions teach a works based path to heaven. Everybody has this concept in their head that at the end of their life their good and bad works will be put on a scale and they will be given admittance based on the tilt of the scale. This could not be further from the truth.

Nothing you do can get you into Heaven. Nothing you do can keep you out of Heaven. It is all about what Jesus has already done and if you accept it.
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You do realise this particular interpretation of the bible and how you get into heaven is mostly limited to America and evangelical teachings? Most Christians around the world don't believe what you believe.

Zeke said:
that makes no sense. They are second graders ffs let them be kids part of being a kid is blissful ignorance. Whats the big deal about waiting 3 years?
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By second grade those innocent kids already understand "man falls in love with woman get's married lives happily ever after". What is so wrong about allowing them to understand "man falls in love with man gets married if his country/state isn't run by evil people lives happily ever after"?

Again, I think people are confusing sexuality as meaning just sex.
 
The bill didn't pass yet. Title is misleading, it is going to be voted on by the full state government still.
 
Dunk#7 said:
1. They are "wild" animals just as you said. Why does what they do have any relevance on human behavior?
2. Humans are on an entirely different level from animals. Created in the image of God. Animals are not meant to be the guidebook of morality lol can you imagine if we based our lives on animal behavior?
3. Are you saying two wrongs make a right?
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hahahahaha
 
Dunk#7 said:
1. They are "wild" animals just as you said. Why does what they do have any relevance on human behavior?
2. Humans are on an entirely different level from animals. Created in the image of God. Animals are not meant to be the guidebook of morality lol can you imagine if we based our lives on animal behavior?
3. Are you saying two wrongs make a right?
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Nice....real nice.
 
Patryn said:
The more damaging aspect is that this bill would prevent school counselors from dealing with a child's homosexuality when they try to help them. It basically handcuffs them.
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Okay, that trumps my point in spades. Surely people who are anti-Gay would want a counsellor to be able to talk about such things, even if only to try and de-gay them?

So this is definitely applicable to counsellors too?
 
Suairyu said:
You do realise this particular interpretation of the bible and how you get into heaven is mostly limited to America and evangelical teachings? Most Christians around the world don't believe what you believe.
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It is what 'St.' Paul said, I don't think it is that much of a minority teaching at all.
 
Dunk#7 said:
1. They are "wild" animals just as you said. Why does what they do have any relevance on human behavior?
2. Humans are on an entirely different level from animals. Created in the image of God. Animals are not meant to be the guidebook of morality lol can you imagine if we based our lives on animal behavior?
3. Are you saying two wrongs make a right?
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well humans are animals just really smart animals. Take away our highly advanced brain and we're back to grunts, clubs, and living in the woods.
 
Alucrid said:
I thought this might have had to do with stopping people from saying, "That's so gay" or "Your gay" or something, not this. :\
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Would messing with free speech in that way really be any better than messing with free speech in this way?
 
Suairyu said:
You do realise this particular interpretation of the bible and how you get into heaven is mostly limited to America and evangelical teachings? Most Christians around the world don't believe what you believe.
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I beg to differ. I have been to Chile, Mexico, and the Dominican Republic. All the same teachings.

I agree with you that there are different beliefs around the world, but that does not negate the fact that many believe the teaching of the Bible back to its Greek and Hebrew beginnings.
 
Holy shit, Dunk#7.

Most of the stupid people around here try their best to hide the bigoted, illogical fallacies they call opinions and morals.

You're doing it wrong.
Dunk#7 said:
I beg to differ. I have been to Chile, Mexico, and the Dominican Republic. All the same teachings.
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Soo... you've been to America?
 
Zeke said:
What wait and see approach are you talking about?
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Dude the GOP & the Religious Right for the past 30 years constantly get their panties in a bunch if any form of sex ed is brought up. They just want to ignore it and hope it goes away (course then their kid gets knocked up and they ask "how did this happen"?!!!)

Shit like teen pregnancy and STD rates are high because sex ed doesn't teach kids fuck all about sex. Most programs are based on abstinence. Thats why those rates are so fucking high people rather teach no sex then safe sex. It has little to do with the age you teach.
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Yes and one of the reasons is we wait to long to teach them...along with the woefully inadequate sex ed we do have.
 
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