paperboywriter
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Calm down dude. We're not like them
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Terror attack kills 12 at Paris newspaper - 4 wounded, gunmen identified
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Calm down dude. We're not like them
They want to destroyed the Kabaa.
Ross Douthat knocking it outta the park:
http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/the-blasphemy-we-need/?_r=0
http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/the-blasphemy-we-need/?_r=0
Can't be worse than Bild, can it?
GloriousBagel
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Really!?!?! These guys deserve a life sentence or the death penalty, which won't happen.
RustyNails
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Eeek.
ComputerMKII
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I'm OK with that if it means showing them caricatures of Muhammad.
Yeah, I know. I speak with my heart all too often. It just pisses me off that this shit happens and nothing ever seems to get done about it, and it never gets better. This type of thing is just going to keep happening unless something drastic is done.
if only they would start reading Bertrand Russell..
ComputerMKII
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Thanks for reminding me to watch BFMTV. Great, fresh footage.
Those RAID dudes aren't there to mess around. They've got sniper rifles and shit.
Well put.
I think even in the case of high treason death penalty is off now.
So yeah it means life in prison but I guess these cowards will choose death if they can.
Think of the most replusive newspaper in the world then times by ten and it becomes the sun, add another zero to that and it becomes the daily mail. The right side of the british press is just horrific.
The only british newspaper to go with a "Je suis Charlie" is the Daily mirror which has it on the red top. Oh and the guardian as well.
FlyingSaucer
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It's the goal of fascists everywhere to kill freedom of expression and to determine what people should or should not think. It pisses me off.
Confrontations of contradictory opinions and viewpoints are the only way to peacefully keep our societies sane and civilized.
maniac-kun
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Nah. This is deeply rooted insecurity covered by extroverted aggression.
If they are captured alive I would vote for giving them an opportunity to speak. Let the world see how un/educated they are about what they have done and why, let them try explain themselves and see if they can tell us more than shouting "Allah is great" while giving a finger to the camera filming them.
ISIS regard it as being an idol of sorts. They really are a lovely group of people.
I still don't see how airing live footage from the middle of the RAID operation is pertinent as far as not to alert the suspects even more than they already are...?
Oh, so the source of inspiration of Bild, that they apparently still don't match (even if I don't see how that's possible).
Gotcha.
Haha wow. Didn't know that.
They're even more disconnected with their faith than I thought.
I doubt they show the ongoing operation. Looks like some reserves standing around.
The purpose of prison is rehabilitation. like I said, they will probably get life sentences if taken alive. Looking at the situation that seems unlikely.
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AFP confirms a RAID operation is underway in Reims.
They're the same corps that launched the assault against Mohammed Merah, two years ago:
Edit: pretty cool logo, too:
Man that shit looks dope as hell.
maniac-kun
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ComputerMKII
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This thread is gonna get derailed sooner or later if we have this debate
Yeah, they don't seem very tense lol.
Decoy footage maybe?
But all that's still telling them the assault is imminent.
They're currently going through the apartments in that building.
The journalists on TV are saying that they don't understand why they're allowed to be so close, they're wondering if this is a red herring by the RAID.
If i understood it right they are similiar to german GSG9 which is kind of the navy seals of our police. A lot more special than normal SWAT.
GameGuru59
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Seems so. Livestream here.
Euro GAF: does the "Direct" at the top right of the live stream mean what "Live" means in English?
Kind of goes back to the point I was trying to make. IF...depicting the prophet is a mortal sin, and the existence of the image itself is not acceptable, then punishing someone for continuing to produce images, and trying to destroy the images, is something justified by their belief that the image of the prophet can't exist.
The problem is, if someone truly believes in religion. Then what the holy text says, is their truth. Adhering to modern social/laws isn't as important, if the afterlife and what your views are, trump that. So the problem is, how do you have a religion where depicting their prophet is a mortal sin? It clashes with free speech, and basic laws such as not murdering someone. So how does that religion reconcile with that?
I know plenty of religious folks do put aside beliefs, to be a citizen in a modern/society. But it's really problematic again, when something in that religion states something is a specific way. And it's not entirely compatible with a modern society. The idea that, they have the right to destroy any image of their prophet. That they HAVE to remove any images (because the existence of these images is a big no no). That alone (even if we ignore the violence, and punishment of the person that continues to make images or talk about things they find blasphemous), doesn't really go hand in hand with a modern society, and clashes big time.
I'm not entirely sure what the solution here is. Or rather, how religions move past this and adapt/evolve.
EDIT: I actually should ask this. So, depicting the prophet is a no no. Is there anything in the text, that calls on believers to take down these images? Like the mere existence of the image, can't exist? Or does it take a more personal stance, like, it's on the individual to NOT depict the prophet. And doing so, is just a mortal sin for them?
If that's the case, then I guess this is just a case of extremists raging out and doing what they can to take down images and retaliate. But I'm curious what the text actually says, with regards to images depicting him. If they have a responsibility to act on this, or if it's more a personal individual level of responsibility.
I'd say they're a little higher up on the food chain than your typical US SWAT team
Lord Morairty007
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I hope they don't get out alive. If they there.
ComputerMKII
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That's precisely what a guest from BFMTV is explaining right now. He added that the footage shown was probably not from the main operation because of that.
RAID is to the Police Nationale what GIGN is to the Gendarmerie Nationale, think civilian Navy SEALs.
Yes.
Yes.
GloriousBagel
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My bad, these situations are frustrating.This thread is gonna get derailed sooner or later if we have this debate
gutter_trash
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Isn't the Quran version of the rapture supposed to involve the burning of the Kaaba? It tells you about the arrogance and ego of these guys, they not only think they're the islamic caliphate and a righteous authority on earth, they might actually believe they are the last group of their kind before the end of days comes
It should (+/- maybe a few seconds lag to sensor any offensive image that might pop up).
Welp, that was anticlimatic, no raid then...
I think I'll go to bed then.
Yes "Direct" means Live.
ComputerMKII
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Yes. "Direct" is French for "live".
GameGuru59
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SWAT in the US is kind of a general term. There are different levels of "SWAT." A state police SWAT type team is much more robust than a local SWAT, unless you're talking about very large cities like NYC, LA, or Chicago.
Alx
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Yeah they're basically SWAT. There are two organizations for internal security in France, police and "gendarmerie" (gendarme = man of arm). RAID is the action group for police, and GIGN the action group for gendarmerie. Historically gendarmerie was military, but I think they depend from the same ministery as police now, so there is barely any difference between them now.
Yeah the commentators on TV don't really understand what is happening there... journalists aren't supposed to be so close to the police. Apparently it could be just a simple control, or a secondary operation.
I hope they do, dying is too good for them.
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