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[demolitio]

How bad is prison in Norway? If this guy went to an American prison, you could guarantee he'd be dead or sent to the protected cells to keep him away from other inmates basically keeping him isolated and that's if he wasn't already sent to solitary...

Will you guys have him in solitary? If not and if he's ever around any other inmates, you can count on them torturing this guy for the rest of his life due to his crime just like here where if the crime involves children, that means the other inmates think of that guy being below them and scum of the Earth.

It's sad that it happens but it's not justice enough in this case and I rarely feel that way. I imagine this guy will be in the mental ward though.

 

[AndresON777]

wow googled norwegian prison cells and they look like hotels...

 

[Ydahs]

so he brought bags of ammo onto the island? why didn't they check bags..? what level of security did they have in place?

He was disguised as a police officer, so they probably felt there was no need to search him.

 

[Vagabundo]

CLARIFICATION: It's possible in Norwegian law to keep the guy locked up past the 21 years maximum term if he's considered a danger to society. So he may spend his life in prison.

I guarantee you that he will never be let out of prison.

 

[GCX]

so he brought bags of ammo onto the island? why didn't they check bags..? what level of security did they have in place?

He was dressed as a police officer.

 

[Majine]

so he brought bags of ammo onto the island? why didn't they check bags..? what level of security did they have in place?

Well, he was dressed as a cop, but... with all that weaponry and ammo, did they think a Zombie invasion was coming?

 

[Meadows]

It works well for criminals of "normal" crime (robbery, theft, drugsales etc.) but for murder and terror it simply won't do imo.

I don't know about murder, I think, for example a gang related killer who killed a member of another gang could be re-integrated using Norway's model, but yeah, on something of this scale, it just doesn't work.

I'm a firm believer that there should only be two functions of prisons, to either re-educate people on how to be a good citizen (in cases of robbery, assault etc) or to keep them away from the public (i.e. this guy). The notion of "justice" is one that is flawed, causes re-offending, marginalisation and a massive burden on tax-payers.

 

[Sennorin]

Hopefully he gets consecutive sentences then, or God help him if he ever got released; he'd be torn to shreds, and rightfully so.

Which is exactly why blood-thirsty gaf should stop their silliness. First of all, 21 years is half an eternity. Secondly, being released from prison will mark his death day. This guy will never be able to walk freely again. So stop being outraged about Norway´s law system.

 

[Cmagus]

such a pathetic attack and a sad story. Just saw a picture of the shooter approaching a guy surrounded by bodies what a coward.They should let the families have rifles take him to the island and give him a 10 min start.

 

[fanboi]

Guys, this person will be "locked up" for the rest of his life... maybe 21 years will be the sentence, but he will be under survallience 24/7 and in a mental institution with max security.

No way in hell he will be just released...

 

[Man]

How bad is prison in Norway?

the-worlds-most-luxurious-prison-is-in-norway/

 

[ResidentDante]

How bad is prison in Norway? If this guy went to an American prison, you could guarantee he'd be dead or sent to the protected cells to keep him away from other inmates basically keeping him isolated and that's if he wasn't already sent to solitary...

Will you guys have him in solitary? If not and if he's ever around any other inmates, you can count on them torturing this guy for the rest of his life due to his crime just like here where if the crime involves children, that means the other inmates think of that guy being below them and scum of the Earth.

It's sad that it happens but it's not justice enough in this case and I rarely feel that way. I imagine this guy will be in the mental ward though.

They'll keep him in solitary most likely. The prisons in the US are a much harsher and tougher enviroment, but there will be many people in Norwegian prisons glad to give him a beating of a lifetime.

 

[Meadows]

the-worlds-most-luxurious-prison-is-in-norway/

good. Glad that Norway have it right. Leave emotions out of the justice system and it's better for everyone.

 

[Angst]

91 dead in Oslo and Utoya now. It's fucking horrible. Feel so sad now :/

 

[Forever]

good. Glad that Norway have it right. Leave emotions out of the justice system and it's better for everyone.

Detachment from emotion does not preclude proportional punishment.

 

[GCX]

According to Finnish HS.fi the police has just said that the shooter is ready for co-operation and is willing to give detailed motives to the attacks.

He's apparently also been an active member on anti-islam websites.

 

[ResidentDante]

I don't know about murder, I think, for example a gang related killer who killed a member of another gang could be re-integrated using Norway's model, but yeah, on something of this scale, it just doesn't work.

I'm a firm believer that there should only be two functions of prisons, to either re-educate people on how to be a good citizen (in cases of robbery, assault etc) or to keep them away from the public (i.e. this guy). The notion of "justice" is one that is flawed, causes re-offending, marginalisation and a massive burden on tax-payers.

Agreed, getting first time criminals back on a better track has to be the main goal. This guy though, well he should not see freedom again.

 

[KongRudi]

That backs up the suggestion that he finished some of them with a shotgun to the head.

It's not true. Lot's of people where told bad news, and I doubt they told the next of kin that someone died unless they where identified.

Police said he were listed as a owner of a glock and a hunting rifle in the weaponregistry, but he had also used a automatic weapon..
He didn't have a criminal record, beside a minor car-offence for more than 10 year before.

Of the killed bomb-victims, 3 casualties were identified and 4 unidentified, yesterday.

 

[Rekubot]

holy shit at this witness account. Just terrifying.

 

[perfectnight]

A girl who was at the island and managed to hide under a rock during the shooting says that the gunman "cheered and made victory cries" as he shot down kids...

Ugh. What a piece of shit.

 

[Your Excellency]

Never actually thought of what would happen to him once he enters prison.

All the famous british murderers - Ian Brady, Ian Huntley etc - spend their days trying to figure out how they can kill themselves. Usually all their plots are foiled (recently Brady tried to have some deadly pills smuggled in a smarties tube, but it was intercepted).

Huntley has only been in jail a couple of years and has been attacked/stabbed/slashed/scalded with boiling water nine times. Meanwhile, Ian Brady has had such a bad time in prison that he has to be force-fed every single meal because he won't eat. And these are guys who killed just 2 or 5 kids. Not 80...

 

[Sennorin]

wtf, German television n-tv is showing videos of dozens of corpses. well, thank you, n-tv :\

 

[Freezie KO]

Fuck. That island is so small. What a horror show.

 

[FyreWulff]

21 years?!!! No just NO.

from another forum

I haven't been able to read the entire thread, but I would like to comment on the situation on Norwegian criminal law. It is correct as some people have been pointing out that the regular maximum sentence for murder is 21 years. With that said, a person can be sentenced to "forvaring", which also has a maximum duration of 21 years. The thing with "forvaring" is that the sentence can be extended by five years, an indefinite number of times, if the person is considered to still pose a danger to society. The purpose of "forvaring" is not really of punishment, but to keep the rest of society safe.

 

[nib95]

The eye witness account from the older gentlemen on the BBC just now was shocking...For some reason he let the guy live. Had a chance to gun him down and didn't, till later when he killed a bunch in a big group. Apparently some went up to him thinking he was there to help, before he gunned them down point blank.

 

[Salazar]

wtf, German television n-tv is showing videos of dozens of corpses. well, thank you, n-tv :\

European television startles me every so often now that I've been away from it for a while.

 

[Sennorin]

European television startles me every so often now that I've been away from it for a while.

What I hate most about the media is how they seem to enjoy such tragedies. Every goddamn time something horrible, something or larger scale happens, they jump on it in a way that makes me think that. No reporting of the facts, but hours of made-up speculation, mostly offensive questions that are totally out of place, but add to the shock value of the "event".

 

[KongRudi]

so he brought bags of ammo onto the island? why didn't they check bags..? what level of security did they have in place?

It weren't much security, it were a summercamp..
He had police-uniform and a fake credential.

Police also have defused some bombs on the island wich he had prepeared.
So most likely he had prepeared ammo-stashes and weapons before.

That also might be the reason why they didn't just fly out there with a helicpter and shot him. Because they knew he could make bombs wich made a big bang, but didn't know that much about the bombs or how he detonated them.

 

[jamesinclair]

According to Finnish HS.fi the police has just said that the shooter is ready for co-operation and is willing to give detailed motives to the attacks.

He's apparently also been an active member on anti-islam websites.

My theory is that he targeted the party that supports immigration and multiculturalism.

Which is hugely ironic because the knee jerk reaction was that a muslim did this and multiculturalism has failed (see earlier banning in this thread)

Im guessing he's a neonazi that hates non-whites but wanted to do this to show the dangers of letting brown people into the country (ie:Look how easy it is for them to attack us!), while killing his political "rivals" (the labor party camp).

As others have mentioned, his goal is probably for the country to get all paranoid, beef up security everywhere, do random searches in the street etc etc

Im sure his "manifesto" will be discovered soon laying it all out.



It will be interesting to see if Norway, like america, lets the terrorist win by removing freedoms.

 

[CiSTM]

He was disguised as a police officer, so they probably felt there was no need to search him.

And it was a camp for kids in Norway. Even if he was dressed in plain clothes he probably would have got through without much of a search. No matter how big the venue is and even if there are big politicians participating there usually are no checks for guns. People just assume these kind of things would never happen in their country.

 

[Man]

We need a mod to update the thread title with 91+ killed.

 

[Koomaster]

CLARIFICATION: It's possible in Norwegian law to keep the guy locked up past the 21 years maximum term if he's considered a danger to society. So he may spend his life in prison.

I would certainly hope so. I mean, if he's not a danger to society, then who is? No way can they let this guy roam free after only 21 years. I'm not bloodthirsty and calling for torture and death (although I am sure he deserves such) but come on, life sentence at least. No way should he ever taste freedom again.

 

[Hellcrow]

21 is max penalty. However, that does not mean that he is out after 21 years. If we do not see him fit for freedom, he could in theory be held for a lifetime. He coulld also be released before of course, but I doubt it.

 

[jonremedy]

This guy will spend the rest of his life in custody of the state.

 

[Frillen]

21 years? that's nothing!

And with good behaviour, he's out in 13.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

91 people killed
RIP.

 

[Monocle]

And with good behaviour, he's out in 13.

Pretty sure no amount of nice-acting is going to get a guy who murdered 90+ people out of prison in 13 years.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

And with good behaviour, he's out in 13.

No, not really. In the Scandinavian system, if the person cannot be reformed, he spend the rest of his life in jail or psychiatric ward. Even he reformed with this kind of killing spree he will never be free.

 

[Veidt]

Has it been confirmed that he did it? Or is he just a suspect for now?

 

[thomaser]

He has now been charged, both for the bombing and the shooting. He's charged after paragraph 147a, which deals with terrorism. It can give him prison for up to 21 years. But in this case, he'll very likely be held for the rest of his life.

 

[Man]

Has it been confirmed that he did it? Or is he just a suspect for now?

100% confirmed.

Another press conference starting now btw (Norwegian). http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=42341

 

[Veidt]

Have any pictures of him been released yet? ( I presume not)
They've just said on the BBC that he was an extreme right-winger, I misheard whether he was an extreme christian or a nazi though.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

Killing young people between of 14-16 years old.......... I'm speechless. I'm without words. I wish the bastard who did it could burn into the flames of hell for the eternity.

 

[SKINNER!]

Have any pictures of him been released yet? ( I presume not)
They've just said on the BBC that he was an extreme right-winger, I misheard whether he was an extreme christian or a nazi though.

A couple of pictures of him were shown on Al-Jazeera Eng.

Also, 91 people that is just...man!

Stay strong Norway. We all got your back.

 

[decaf]

Have any pictures of him been released yet?

 

[modulaire]

Have any pictures of him been released yet? ( I presume not)
They've just said on the BBC that he was an extreme right-winger, I misheard whether he was an extreme christian or a nazi though.

yes, apparently it's this guy.

just the link: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,776076,00.html

 

[Tieno]

If the suspect is indeed the guy who did all this, I'm glad they captured him alive.

I've read a few articles on retelling accounts of what happened, it's heartbreaking and unbelievable what happened. Can't comprehend it. So many people died in this rampage.

 

[Man]

Have any pictures of him been released yet?

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/174/174230/17423012/jpg/active/729x.jpg

 

[CiSTM]

nvm.

 

[Pandaman]

thats pretty much what youre doing though. i can just imagine that dudes smug fuckin face as he knows nothing is going to happen to him

the victims' families will never feel any kind of justice. fuck i cant be this angry this late at night goddamnit

even in the worst of times we should all be very fucking happy victims family's dont get to decide what justice is.

This tragedy is horrifying.
What is also horrifying is that people would use it to bend the standards of decency we as a people have accomplished.