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[Ether_Snake]

I'm thinking it's a high chance that the "bonus mission" with a 5% chance of success (again with the percentages drawn out of thin air, really an obsession with this guy) was him filming the attack and then upload it somehow. He claimed something along those lines anyway when talking about the camera and how it would be difficult to manage to upload the video because of how long it would be and that he couldn't upload so much from his iPhone.

So I am pretty sure that unless he didn't manage to film it, the police have the video now.

 

[Aquavelvaman]

Wow what the fuck. I didn't know so much information about the murderer was out there yet. The guy is a certifiable nutjob, I can't believe people like him still exist in society. Also I see he listed Modern Warfare 2 as one of his interests. Oh boy, another "video games will make you a murderer" debate coming up.

He even said he considered MW2 part of his training, in an excerpt posted earlier

 

[SecretMoblin]

Just a note regarding the 'names' of his weapons:

Mjölnir (which he spells "Mjöllnir") is the name of the Norse god Thor's hammer, and Gungnir is the name of the god Odin's spear.

Germanic racial supremacists (including, but certainly not limited to, the Nazis) love to draw on Norse mythology for inspiration and naming conventions. So even if he wasn't a supporter of the National Socialists, he most definitely knows the language of racial supremacists in that region.

These writings are both totally nuts and completely lucid, if that makes any sense. What a monster.

 

[The Stealth Fox]

He even said he considered MW2 part of his training, in an excerpt posted earlier

Well, looks like we have to boycott video games now. He's openly attributed his actions to them.

 

[Futureman]

Is there an explanation for killing the teenagers? Were they all Muslim or something? Don't get it.

 

[RustyNails]

These writings are both totally nuts and completely lucid, if that makes any sense. What a monster.

It makes complete sense, which is why reading it is scary. His obsession to details is borderline ADD.

Also one more thing I have to say regarding him. He's not a screwy nutball which excerpts made him look like earlier. After reading through his compendium for hours now, it's clear that he is more than aware of global geo-political, economic and social issues. Of course he is incredibly biased. But he's not deranged nutjob like Jared Loughner. I think this guy could possibly be the smartest mass murdering terrorist of all time. I mean, how many terrorists could write a page or two on something as basic as free market capitalism?

But then again, he's been writing this crap for 9 years and he had a privileged upbringing. I guess what I'm trying to say is that he could possibly be the most dangerous terrorist captured alive.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Yeah I've never seen a case where a murderer consistently made sure he always had a plan B for everything, and managed to think of every detail for his operation, write down everything in the form of a guide, and think of the marketability of it all to incite others to follow, and pull it all off.

The whole photo-op thing was precisely done so as to control the "image" that would be publicized of him. Even if it looks rather silly, it gives this clean-smart guy image, and couple that with his written beliefs and the accuracy with which he carried out his plan, and is still alive, he has got all the elements a murderer could have hoped to be able to put together to control the post-attack outcome from a propaganda point of view. He basically managed to make a case to those that aren't far from him ideologically that he is a role model to follow.

Like he said, he became a "perfect knight", or more factually a "perfect executioner". He claims this is thanks to his mentor, but I really hope the organization thing is complete bullshit. If not, I hope the police will be able to find out who he met in his meeting. If it did happen, they should be able to find out.

 

[dschalter]

It makes complete sense, which is why reading it is scary. His obsession to details is borderline ADD.

Also one more thing I have to say regarding him. He's not a screwy nutball which excerpts made him look like earlier. After reading through his compendium for hours now, it's clear that he is more than aware of global geo-political, economic and social issues. Of course he is incredibly biased. But he's not deranged nutjob like Jared Loughner. I think this guy could possibly be the smartest mass murdering terrorist of all time. I mean, how many terrorists could write a page or two on something as basic as free market capitalism?

But then again, he's been writing this crap for 9 years and he had a privileged upbringing. I guess what I'm trying to say is that he could possibly be the most dangerous terrorist captured alive.

yeah, it's really odd. when you think of mass murderers/terrorists, you think of someone who is either very mentally unstable (this is more the spree shooter type) or you think of people who are 'rational', but who can't really conceive of things act in a way that doesn't conform very closely the framework of their own ideology. this guy seems to be no stranger to high level critical thinking, from his style of argumentation and the way he lays out his case.

reading it over i guess i didn't add much, but man it is creepy.

 

[CiSTM]

Is there an explanation for killing the teenagers? Were they all Muslim or something? Don't get it.

They were politically active young people that went against what he is fighting for.

 

[Meadows]

Finding it hard to define him...

- He isn't an anarchist because he believes in government/society, especially Nordic society
- He isn't a neo-Nazi because he hates Hitler and is pro-Isreal
- He isn't a Christian fundamentalist because he doesn't seem to be explicitly driven by the word of God to do this (as in Jihad), although culturally Christian perhaps
- He isn't a white supremacist because he mentions how he has admiration for the Japanese and South Koreans and does want muslims to assimilate (through strict rules), he's also visited Africa

I suppose you could say he's an anti-multiculturalist? It's probably what he's defined by the most.

 

[Veidt]

Finding it hard to define him...

- He isn't an anarchist because he believes in government/society, especially Nordic society
- He isn't a neo-Nazi because he hates Hitler and is pro-Isreal
- He isn't a Christian fundamentalist because he doesn't seem to be explicitly driven by the word of God to do this (as in Jihad), although culturally Christian perhaps
- He isn't a white supremacist because he mentions how he has admiration for the Japanese and South Koreans and does want muslims to assimilate (through strict rules), he's also visited Africa

I suppose you could say he's an anti-multiculturalist? It's probably what he's defined by the most.

Sounds like a perfect description of the Geert Wilders ideology.

 

[YoungHav]

This guy, Jared Loughtner, Mcveigh, Columbine... the last terrorist attack on U.S. soil was that tool that flew his plane into the IRS building, killing 1 person. Are we going to start profiling white males? My friends are concerned that if they board a plane, people might complain and get them thrown off... oh wait!

Funny that folks like my mother-in-law "keep their distance" whenever they see a Muslim in public, "just in case".

 

[Monocle]

Well, this case took an extraordinarily disturbing and fascinating turn while I was away. That guy's "operation" was plainly too well planned and executed to be the work of a crazy person. The excerpts of his declaration that I've seen are too lucid. It's a frightening thing to witness someone march with cold rationality directly into the maw of depravity. Stump's summary of Ms. Arendt's argument about Nazis learning to think about atrocities as normal and even mundane may be worth consideration in our attempt to make sense of these murders.

Once more we're reminded that tribalistic fanaticism is cancer to free society. I'm going to look over that document.

 

[Jigsaw]

He even said he considered MW2 part of his training, in an excerpt posted earlier

sick bastard :|

i wonder how activision will react?i guess they have some super-secret controversial scene again for modern warfare 3,will they cut it out?will they have to censor the game in any way now?

 

[How About No]

It's quite ironic being
situated practically on top of the largest military base in the country. It would have saved me a lot
of hassle if I could just "borrow" a cup of sugar and 3kg of C4 from my dear neighbour

I continued to synthesize acetylsalicylic acid from aspirin.
It's the Eurovision finale today. I just love Eurovision...! It's a lot of crap music but I think it's a
great show all in all.

It's essential to create as much goodwill you can from the neighbours. Use any opportunity to
generate goodwill from them. This goodwill will be returned indirectly by them not probing and
investigating. If you get a visit from neighbours, be polite and friendly, offer them sandwiches and
coffee, unless it will jeopardize the operation. The goodwill generated is likely to be to your benefit
later on.

urrrrggggh

Edit: dear me, I've reached the end of the thread. Still can't sleep though :/

 

[Amagon]

To me, this sounds like some Individual Eleven shit from Ghost in the Shell.

 

[Dresden]

Just a note regarding the 'names' of his weapons:

Mjölnir (which he spells "Mjöllnir") is the name of the Norse god Thor's hammer, and Gungnir is the name of the god Odin's spear.

Germanic racial supremacists (including, but certainly not limited to, the Nazis) love to draw on Norse mythology for inspiration and naming conventions.

So do JRPG fans.

 

[Uncle]

Sounds like a perfect description of the Geert Wilders ideology.

I'm guessing it fits to many of the populist right-wing movements in Europe.

 

[Diablos]

I was skimming through his 2084 bullshit. He's a total nutcase. The section about listening to Age of Conan tracks while killing people was especially creepy, and the amount of explaining he does for every single thing he mentions is absolutely mental. It was really unsettling to even take a quick look at his document; I felt much better after deleting it.

I heard he's supportive of the Tea Party, too. The Christian far-right could be competing with Islamic extremism in a decade or two deending on how things go...

Finding it hard to define him...

- He isn't an anarchist because he believes in government/society, especially Nordic society
- He isn't a neo-Nazi because he hates Hitler and is pro-Isreal
- He isn't a Christian fundamentalist because he doesn't seem to be explicitly driven by the word of God to do this (as in Jihad), although culturally Christian perhaps
- He isn't a white supremacist because he mentions how he has admiration for the Japanese and South Koreans and does want muslims to assimilate (through strict rules), he's also visited Africa

I suppose you could say he's an anti-multiculturalist? It's probably what he's defined by the most.

He's a right-wing, anti-Marxist and anti-Islam extremist with a soft spot for fundamentalist Christianity.

Nobody wants to be defined these days because it's too easy for the mass communication hive that is the modern news media and Internet to box you in. But he's a crazy right-winger at the core.

 

[Kentpaul]

I here the dude can only get 21 years... wtf

 

[Salazar]

I here the dude can only get 21 years... wtf

It can be repeatedly prolonged in five year increments.

He's not getting out. Or so I understand.

 

[SecretMoblin]

So do JRPG developers.

Fixed it.

And I'd hesitate to conflate Breivik's views with those of rightist politicians and parties; once you start suggesting that his views are part of a larger movement, you indict every member of that movement. And even if there are a large number of nationalist (or even racist) members of the public, they aren't anywhere near this guy. As much as I disagree with Wilders, Palin, & co., I think they're operating in a completely different world than Breivik.

Reading his stuff, I really doubt there are many people who agree with him. The notion that there are members of the PVV, FPÖ, or Tea Party who are quietly cheering him on is more than a little presumptuous.

Just my thoughts. :-/

 

[jakershaker]

I here the dude can only get 21 years... wtf

This is not true, and has been explained over and over again in this thead.

 

[wenis]

His writing is fucking just wow.... Has there been anyone else like this in history?

 

[StevePharma]

I'm guessing it fits to many of the populist right-wing movements in Europe.

Indeed. Just read his chapter on the Netherlands, and he's done his research reasonably well. I can see his point on how our nation (and government) became mentally broken after Fortuyn's assassination. His points on people's frustration about immigrant problems which aren't addressed are spot on.

Doesn't mean the guy has no major problems and skewed world views to a degree. My heart goes out to all affected by this tragedy.

 

[Always-honest]

It can be repeatedly prolonged in five year increments.

He's not getting out. Or so I understand.

noo, he's not getting out.

Finding it hard to define him...

- He isn't an anarchist because he believes in government/society, especially Nordic society
- He isn't a neo-Nazi because he hates Hitler and is pro-Isreal
- He isn't a Christian fundamentalist because he doesn't seem to be explicitly driven by the word of God to do this (as in Jihad), although culturally Christian perhaps
- He isn't a white supremacist because he mentions how he has admiration for the Japanese and South Koreans and does want muslims to assimilate (through strict rules), he's also visited Africa

I suppose you could say he's an anti-multiculturalist? It's probably what he's defined by the most.

maybe he's just one nutcase.

 

[speedpop]

To me, this sounds like some Individual Eleven shit from Ghost in the Shell.

Except in that medium the actual means to initiate terrorist actions were caused by disgruntled refugees who were used as nothing more than short-term cheap labor - in Individual Eleven's case they were invited to Japan solely for that use and then discarded away into designated living sections like a slight scratch on favoured porcelain. Any human, no matter their role in life, will get fed up and backlash toward situations which are deemed ridiculous to themselves personally.

 

[Diablos]

His writing is fucking just wow.... Has there been anyone else like this in history?

The far-right really is pushing the envelope these days.

 

[OttomanScribe]

: ( any such incident is absolutely horrifying. I cannot even imagine what it is like in Norway now, one of the headlines I read said 'innocence shattered'. For a country with so much domestic stability to have a terrorist attack kill double the population, proportionally, as 9/11, truly would shatter everything that people there know.

Not to mention the families of the victims and those scarred for life by the experience. My heart goes out to them

 

[Always-honest]

The far-right really is pushing the envelope these days.

He's one guy writing all of this. It's pretty amazing what he writes.
Not in the sense that it's pofound or anything amazing in poitical view, but he is very self-aware.

 

[Sennorin]

His capture is actually part of his plan. He wrote that also in his book.

He thought about everything, always had plan Bs, and wrote everything in his book.

Crazy. If what he says about having had a mentor is true, I wonder in what way this person was a mentor. Did that person turn him into such a calculating individual, or was it just mostly a mentor on the ideological end? If the former, then it makes one wonder if there are others like this guy. Somehow I can't imagine that someone can become what this guy became through mentoring. On one hand he sounded like a nice guy (stood up for people who were bullied in school thanks to his size, etc.), but then it's as if he had to put his wits to use and just became obsessed with his own methodological skills, and went all the way and pulled off his crazy plan.

This "methodological" thing seems common among sociopaths.



But again, it worked out like he planned it would. Usually at this point the photo we would have of this guy would be some mug shot or some such, or some old photo. But no, instead all we are seeing are photos from his photo-op, exactly what he wanted.

Really crazy, everything. But reading his texts and your postings, he really sounds like a rl-Johann (Monster). Terrible and fascinating.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

After reading this insane crap, I think I can conclude something. This guy is totally crazy, atrocious, evil, high IQ bastard. His accuracy in carrying out his murders reminds me of a certain anime character who convinced himself he was "a God who wanted to save the world": Light, from Death Note.

Tell me now that I'm wrong.

 

[Septimius]

Just a note regarding the 'names' of his weapons:

Mjölnir (which he spells "Mjöllnir") is the name of the Norse god Thor's hammer, and Gungnir is the name of the god Odin's spear.

Germanic racial supremacists (including, but certainly not limited to, the Nazis) love to draw on Norse mythology for inspiration and naming conventions. So even if he wasn't a supporter of the National Socialists, he most definitely knows the language of racial supremacists in that region.

These writings are both totally nuts and completely lucid, if that makes any sense. What a monster.

Well - those names did originate from Norway. Everyone here knows the name Mjölnir, and a lot of people know Gungnir, too. These names are a part of our culture, which is most certainly why he chose those names. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if he explained the use of those names in his book, as they are not used because of a knowledge of racial supremacists prior use, but because they're an important part of our culture.

 

[CiSTM]

Official time line for police response.

17.27 - First call from Utöy. Directed to local police at Buskerud.

17.30 - Oslo's police is notified of the shooting.

17.38 - Official assistance request to Oslo's police force from Buskerud.

17.52 - First police squad arrives at the shore and waits for boat to Utöy.

18.03 - Message is received: Boat is on it's way.

18.09 - Special forces arrives to the shore.

18.25 - Special forces beach the shore of Utöy.

18.27 - Shooter is arrested.

Weird that the shooter was arrested within two minutes. Or maybe something is lost in the translation and the special forces arrived to Utöy at 18.09. I think BBC says that special forces were in the island within 40 minutes from the call.

 

[Always-honest]

Official time line for police response.

17.27 - First call from Utöy. Directed to local police at Buskerud.

17.30 - Oslo's police is notified of the shooting.

17.38 - Official assistance request to Oslo's police force from Buskerud.

17.52 - First police squad arrives at the shore and waits for boat to Utöy.

18.03 - Message is received: Boat is on it's way.

18.09 - Special forces arrives to the shore.

18.25 - Special forces beach the shore of Utöy.

18.27 - Shooter is arrested.

that is one eternal lasting hour for those kids that survived it.

 

[Roude Leiw]

how many kids were on the island and how many survived?

 

[Septimius]

how many kids were on the island and how many survived?

650 is what I've heard. So.. 550 survivors?

 

[Aku-Audi]

how many kids were on the island and how many survived?

Estimated around 500-700 people last time I heard.

 

[thomaser]

: ( any such incident is absolutely horrifying. I cannot even imagine what it is like in Norway now, one of the headlines I read said 'innocence shattered'. For a country with so much domestic stability to have a terrorist attack kill double the population, proportionally, as 9/11, truly would shatter everything that people there know.

Not to mention the families of the victims and those scarred for life by the experience. My heart goes out to them

I think we will pull through. Just now, I heard a quote on the radio from a girl who survived: "If one man can show so much hate, just think about all the love all of us can show together".

 

[Binabik15]

Official time line for police response.

17.27 - First call from Utöy. Directed to local police at Buskerud.

17.30 - Oslo's police is notified of the shooting.

17.38 - Official assistance request to Oslo's police force from Buskerud.

17.52 - First police squad arrives at the shore and waits for boat to Utöy.

18.03 - Message is received: Boat is on it's way.

18.09 - Special forces arrives to the shore.

18.25 - Special forces beach the shore of Utöy.

18.27 - Shooter is arrested.

Weird that the shooter was arrested within two minutes. Or maybe something is lost in the translation and the special forces arrived to Utöy at 18.09. I think BBC says that special forces were in the island within 40 minutes from the call.

I think the guy was waiting for the special forces and surrendered immediatly when they arrived.

This is so downright evil what he did.

BUT a very good comment on a German news site from a Turk living in Germany (who is somewhat worried about the failing integration of Muslims, he says) has a point: he might have delivered a heavy blow to his own anti-multiculturalism worldview. Who will be able to voice concerns over (failed) immigration and linked topics in Europe now without being branded as a potential white supremacist nazi would-be terrorist?

People like Geert Wilders and Thilo Sarrazin have poisoned that well already, but this of course trumps all.

Sadly the guy is getting all the attention that he wanted, but maybe it backfires for his "cause".

 

[storafötter]

Calling himself a knight templar on a crusade to drive out Muslims has some pretty obvious religious connections, although this guy doesn't seem to be excessively religious. It's a political agenda, but it's certainly not accurate to label this guy as non-religious either.

I agree with you there. Even if he tries to explain how you dont have to be a devout Christian follower, he has a few contradictions when it comes to converting Muslims. That they must attend church, and follow Christian holidays. If you are secular or have a personal view to your own religion, attending Church doesnt have to be mandatory. I feel like this guy just doesnt make sense, and changes his opinions depending on the circumstance.

 

[News Bot]

Someone on another board mentioned this:

My sister had 3 friends at that island. She talked to one of them who came back yesterday night. One of her experiences was being told by the (real) police to run across the island to the rescue boat while they were hunting the guy. On the way to the boat, she was running across corpses - one of them being her close friend who was shot through the head.

Once she entered that boat, they caught Anders (not Andreas by the way) and had put him on the upper level of the same boat. While hand cuffed, he was looking down at the frightened kids in the boat and laughing manically.

Mother fucker.

 

[CiSTM]

I think the guy was waiting for the special forces and surrendered immediatly when they arrived.

This is so downright evil what he did.

BUT a very good comment on a German news site from a Turk living in Germany (who is somewhat worried about the failing integration of Muslims, he says) has a point: he might have delivered a heavy blow to his own anti-multiculturalism worldview. Who will be able to voice concerns over (failed) immigration and linked topics in Europe now without being branded as a potential white supremacist nazi would-be terrorist?

People like Geert Wilders and Thilo Sarrazin have poisoned that well already, but this of course trumps all.

Sadly the guy is getting all the attention that he wanted, but maybe it backfires for his "cause".

That is also likely. Especially when we know he was shooting at the people who tried to swam away from the island. Maybe he spotted the task force early on and decided not to go on shooting.

 

[Peru]

Some sort of police action against an adress right now, confirmed to be related to this plot. Not the dude's house, btw.

 

[thomaser]

Excerpt from an interview with his defense lawyer, Geir Lippestad:

- He acknowledges the circumstances, but not his guilt, Geir Lippestad says to NRK.no.

Does that mean that he does not show signs of remorse?

- It is difficult for me to say. He experiences in his head that what he has done is not something that should be punished, says Lippestad.

[...]

- Breivik has said several times under interrogation that what he did was "horrible, but necessary".

What does he mean by that?

- He says that he wishes that he didn't have to do what he did, elaborates Lippestad.

According to his lawyer, Breivik has largely been calm and collected during interrogations.

- Sometimes, he shows emotional reactions, says Lippestad.

What kind of emotional reactions?

- He has placed his head in his hands and had tears in his eyes.

----

So he's starting to... cry a little?

 

[theignoramus]

He claimed he wouldnt be captured alive unless he completed a bonus mission; that must have been the bomb left behind on the island. according to his book, in the event of capture, he intends to implement the "propaganda" part of the plot, which is why it seems he is demanding a public trial.

 

[thomaser]

Some sort of police action against an adress right now, confirmed to be related to this plot. Not the dude's house, btw.

Six people arrested by armed police.

 

[electristan]

There was just an interview on NRK with the lawyer who is defending him. He said his client will speak at this arraignment on monday to explain why he did what he did.

They do not yet know it it will be public or behind closed doors.

Dont give this man a soap box i say. he can say what he wants to the judge, and let the rest of us get the transcript.

 

[Forsete]

Six people arrested by armed police.

So is he talking? So much for "the strongest psyche evuuuur (to quote ABB)".

 

[Sipowicz]

What a complete and total wanker. He is EXACTLY THE SAME as the Islamists he hates . . . dogmatic, intolerant, hateful, superstitious, narrow-minded, blinded by ideology, etc.

they generally are very similar. they villify and dehumanise muslims/infidels respectively in an attempt to justify their beliefs they identify others as "traitors. they have a complete disregard for human life. in a different world they could be best of friends

i thinks it's a mistake to just dismiss this guy as a loon though . i imagine that there is many an EDL member or daily mail/express/star reader sympathising with this guy right now. Fuck, some of the posts in this very thread could have been ripped straight out of his manifesto. They no doubt agree with his beliefs, just not his actions

for now...