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TF2 Engineer update incoming?

flipping_heck said:
Maybe it can stop spy-hunting by those engies who constantly shoot at one particular spot, may want to conserve the crits :P
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This is the real tradeoff. Engies won't spy-check with shotties anymore for fear of wasting their crits.
 
The shotgun does not earn crits unless the sentry has seen action. You can't just build and detonate fresh sentries and get anything.

The_Technomancer said:
How does Valve, through a few comics and videos, create a more compelling universe and characters then most games do in their entirety?
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Other developers weren't smart enough to hire Chet Faliszek and Erik Wolpaw.
 
okay guys are we getting the engineer update? i havent been following this thread but i know theres some kind of golden wrench thing going on and whenever i try to go to the tf2 blog it wont load
 
Edit: Nevermind, I was beaten and this isn't news. But, uh, confirmation that the shotgun is real, I guess. That'll teach me to run away from the thread for an hour and a half to try and get a wrench. :(
 
V_Ben said:
the fact that there are less shots could be seen to mean that you have to be more careful when taking them. maybe? I don't play much, so i could be wrong.
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I sure hope it only means the rounds currently in the gun (so up to 3), otherwise an engy stockpiling crit rounds seems a bit counter productive, unless they feel like dispatching people attacking their sentries instead of repairing it ad nauseum.
 
flipping_heck said:
If the crits stack, engy can always build and destroy and have loads of crits ready
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I guess, but that would be stupid. I'm thinking it is more like you have ~30 seconds to use this crit since you are enraged that your sentry is down, but who knows.
 
I am thinking that the gun has a bar along the bottom which stores the crits, up to a set value of either 3 due to ammo in the gun or something a little higher.

Bonus crits for destroying a sentry will probably be worked out on how many crits you have at that point, so blowing up your own sentry with no crits in storage = no bonus.
 
rhfb said:
I guess, but that would be stupid. I'm thinking it is more like you have ~30 seconds to use this crit since you are enraged that your sentry is down, but who knows.
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Maybe unless your sentry has killed people or gotten assists, AND has been destroyed, your shotgun might never crit. If you can't get shotgun crits without having your sentry gun destroyed than that might not be very fun. Unless they're separating the revenge crits from the bonus crits which I guess is more likely.

All I can say is, I hope they let you get the gun through achievements so I have a chance of getting it early before it's patched, if it's overpowered. Having the direct hit before it was nerfed and the before-patch ambassador in all its hitbox-ignoring shooting-through-gate glory were fun.
 
Texted my brother, who is away for a week and won't be able to follow.

"Dude, Engineer update is starting, new shotgun that gets crits for sentry kills. Also, Valve is strongly hinting that the Pyro is an immortal Abe Lincoln who faked his assassination with the help of the engineer's grandfather. And apparently Australia is on top of a deposit of metal that makes super geniuses, which is why they invented teleportation, cloaking, and mustache manipulation"

.......:lol
 
Blizzard said:
Maybe unless your sentry has killed people or gotten assists, AND has been destroyed, your shotgun might never crit. If you can't get shotgun crits without having your sentry gun destroyed than that might not be very fun. Unless they're separating the revenge crits from the bonus crits which I guess is more likely.

All I can say is, I hope they let you get the gun through achievements so I have a chance of getting it early before it's patched, if it's overpowered. Having the direct hit before it was nerfed and the before-patch ambassador in all its hitbox-ignoring shooting-through-gate glory were fun.
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I still miss stunning uber players :D and hitting baseballs through the starting gates :D

So Awesome.
 
i don't like this crafting game, i'm out of stuff to craft with and if valve would let me i would pay money to get items to craft with =D
 
Technosteve said:
i don't like this crafting game, i'm out of stuff to craft with and if valve would let me i would pay money to get items to craft with =D
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See Java, Valve -is- introducing microtransactions with this update. D:
 
Technosteve said:
i don't like this crafting game, i'm out of stuff to craft with and if valve would let me i would pay money to get items to craft with =D
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I knew I'd been saving all my items for months for a reason :D
 
Won said:
Golden Wrench check!
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Pistols don't do enough damage to kill a spy before they'd get to you, and wrenches require you to get in close. Engies can still spy-check, sure, but there is a reason the shotgun is the preferred method.
 
That shotgun definitely helps a turtle engie. Damn that gold wrench though, someone who kept all their items are going to cash in now.
 
What qualifies for crafting then, if they disabled reclaimed/refined until thursday? Does making scrap metal count? Or tokens? Or item+item=newitem blueprints and hats?
 
Sober said:
What qualifies for crafting then, if they disabled reclaimed/refined until thursday? Does making scrap metal count? Or tokens? Or item+item=newitem blueprints and hats?
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They disabled smelting metal. Which means they disabled the infinite loop that is possible from making a refined, then breaking it apart over and over again.

Any crafting will randomly reward it. Looks like 25 a day.
 
Spire said:
Pistols don't do enough damage to kill a spy before they'd get to you, and wrenches require you to get in close. Engies can still spy-check, sure, but there is a reason the shotgun is the preferred method.
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well, we haven't even seen the pistol replacement yet.
 
Some people don't seem to understand the shotgun.

You don't get any crits until the sentry is destroyed. Based on how many kills/assists it had, you receive all the crits at the time of destruction. Hence 'revenge crits.'
 
flipping_heck said:
New Weapon: Frontier Justice http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/

- 50% less ammo capacity
- no random crits
+ gets 'revenge crits'
+ 2 crits for each kill sentry does, + 1 crit for each assist
+ bonus crits when sentry is destroyed

Sounds.. quite powerful really..
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Same model as the shotgun in the mac update video.
 
Ventrue said:
Some people don't seem to understand the shotgun.

You don't get any crits until the sentry is destroyed. Based on how many kills/assists it had, you receive all the crits at the time of destruction. Hence 'revenge crits.'
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That makes sense--so theoretically you could build an uber with a medic--get a bunch of kills on a sentry--destroy it yourself, then run in with a crit-uber.

That would be great for arena matches when only an engie and medic are left (dunno if it would be better than running out with the wrench-uber). :lol
 
Ventrue said:
Some people don't seem to understand the shotgun.

You don't get any crits until the sentry is destroyed. Based on how many kills/assists it had, you receive all the crits at the time of destruction. Hence 'revenge crits.'
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Sounds like it's trying to incentivise the 'get out of your base rather than rebuild a sentry'... action. Sounds fair, but I expect to still be rebuilding sentries after shotgunning for about 15 seconds.
 
didn't know where to post this, but does anyone understand crafting? all i want to do is make a damn hat, but this shit is so confusing
 
Jay Shadow said:
Blog was updated to clarify that there's no daily limit and every 25 will unlock the next preview.
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Wait...what? Damn, then I'm going to try right now. I don't have much, but ya never know...
 
Lkr said:
didn't know where to post this, but does anyone understand crafting? all i want to do is make a damn hat, but this shit is so confusing
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Keep smelting two weapons which make scrap metal, combine 3 scrap metal's to make a better one, smelt 3 of them to make the even better metal! and then 2 of them I think to make a hat. It takes like like 2 pages of guns if not 3 so it's a very VERY slow process, I have made myself one hat (found others via drop) with all my spare guns last week, it was rather pointless.

For hat's you are honestly best just waiting for a random one.
 
Jay Shadow said:
Blog was updated to clarify that there's no daily limit and every 25 will unlock the next preview.
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Oh good so I didn't waste my 17 crafts.

I still didn't get it but I feel less bad. I guess.






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I have concerns about the new shotgun, is it's a 3 shotter then I will struggle to deal with a lot of classes. Even with the crits. Which when I'm likely to have my shotgun out (midfield) I probably don't have a load of kills on my sentry.

I main engineer.
 
BLU-82 said:
You can see all the crafting blueprints here:
tf2wiki.net/wiki/Crafting
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I don't know if that site redirects or not, but the official address is now http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Main_Page and you should use that. I almost got my work machine hacked last week going to tf2wiki, probably because of a malicious ad. It fullscreened my browser, opened up multiple additional pages with messageboxes, and started launching java processes.
 
Well, crafted all my stuff up that I could craft, which was not much since I didn't play much the last few months, and nothing. :(
 
So I'm assuming it has to be a successful craft to get the wrench. I can't just sit in the crafting menu with a single piece of scrap metal hitting "Craft it!" all day. :lol
 
Hate this stupid thing already. All servers have their engineers cap reach, half the time it seems to be people idling. So now half the people playing...aren't actually playing. They are just trying to get a gold wrench >_>
 
shintoki said:
Hate this stupid thing already. All servers have their engineers cap reach, half the time it seems to be people idling. So now half the people playing...aren't actually playing. They are just trying to get a gold wrench >_>
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Someone should tell them it's not a random drop but a chance to earn it via crafting anything.

I not seen any AFK on the server I usually play on yet, but it has a 5 minute idle kick script on it.
 
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