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[Twig]

Map looks rad, wrench looks bad(ass).

 

[thetrin]

So the spiked wrench was made by Watchmaker? Was he one of the Polycount contest members?

 

[MNC]

A new map, no achievement descriptions and a knuckleduster wrench with no description.

Fuck off.

This. Atleast give us some fucking descriptions... I'm liking the wall design, but give more description like the previous updates.

 

[Diablohead]

Valve milking the final class update, at least they showed up a picture of the new wrench.

I wonder what it will do exactly, more powerful? it's already one of the strongest melee weapons in the game next to the sniper's cleaver.

Might add the bleed ability to those hit by it, looks sharp.

 

[Twig]

holy shit

capndrake pointed out that engineer's father is... changing http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/evolutionaryman/

INTO SAXTON HALE

 

[Rickard]

Everybody spam watchmaker until he tells us what the wrench does.

Make his life hell so Valve never do this again.

 

[HTuran]

Yeah, what's the downside to a spiked wrench? Higher melee but slower repair?

 

[Technosteve]

where is the robot made out of things =(

 

[Diablohead]

Yeah, what's the downside to a spiked wrench? Higher melee but slower repair?

Worst tf2 trade off ever if it is that, not like spies don't die in 1 hit already

 

[thetrin]

Yeah, what's the downside to a spiked wrench? Higher melee but slower repair?

Maybe increased sapper and spy damage with very very low repair.

If that's the case, it's worthless.

 

[Blizzard]

I like payload maps, but...two payload maps, both in the same goldrush every-map style? Not a mountain map? Not a Halloween map? Not a snow map, or ice map, or Egypt map? ;_;

 

[Rickard]

holy shit

capndrake pointed out that engineer's father is... changing http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/evolutionaryman/

INTO SAXTON HALE

Holy hell he is.

 

[thetrin]

I like payload maps, but...two payload maps, both in the same goldrush every-map style? Not a mountain map? Not a Halloween map? Not a snow map, or ice map, or Egypt map? ;_;

I hear you. What's with the total lack of variety in map style?

 

[Mudkips]

then just play the game normally

Then don't. What's the issue here?

I can't just "play normally", because of how everyone else plays and acts. Nobody "plays normally". They flail around with their stupid hats, or moan endlessly about not getting drops, etc. They play like morons trying to grind for some achievement, and nobody plays the damned game anymore.

And I'd like to have all the items available to me. I shouldn't have to do anything to get them.

Playing TF2 has devolved into running around and shooting shit with no actual goal or purpose. I can't remember the last time I played a CTF map where people gave half a shit about the fucking intel briefcase.

 

[Sciz]

I like payload maps, but...two payload maps, both in the same goldrush every-map style? Not a mountain map? Not a Halloween map? Not a snow map, or ice map, or Egypt map? ;_;

Hightower looks like Payload Race, with an elevator gimmick.

 

[Rickard]

Maybe increased sapper and spy damage with very very low repair.

If that's the case, it's worthless.

Maybe faster build but slower repair?

That would please all the people complaining about turtling.

 

[thetrin]

I can't just "play normally", because of how everyone else plays and acts. Nobody "plays normally". They flail around with their stupid hats, or moan endlessly about not getting drops, etc. They play like morons trying to grind for some achievement, and nobody plays the damned game anymore.

And I'd like to have all the items available to me. I shouldn't have to do anything to get them.

Playing TF2 has devolved into running around and shooting shit with no actual goal or purpose. I can't remember the last time I played a CTF map where people gave half a shit about the fucking intel briefcase.

You already don't have to do anything to get them, besides be in a server.

Maybe faster build but slower repair?

That would please all the people complaining about turtling.

That would be a cool combo with the frontier justice. Make for a more mobile, more unpredictable engineer. I like the idea. (I'm assuming build and upgrade would draw from the same stat on this wrench)

 

[ColtraineGF]

I like payload maps, but...two payload maps, both in the same goldrush every-map style? Not a mountain map? Not a Halloween map? Not a snow map, or ice map, or Egypt map? ;_;

Actually, I've seen someone point out that the map may be a payload race, if only because of the presence of a blue tower in the background.

 

[Twig]

I can't just "play normally", because of how everyone else plays and acts. Nobody "plays normally". They flail around with their stupid hats, or moan endlessly about not getting drops, etc. They play like morons trying to grind for some achievement, and nobody plays the damned game anymore.

And I'd like to have all the items available to me. I shouldn't have to do anything to get them.

Playing TF2 has devolved into running around and shooting shit with no actual goal or purpose. I can't remember the last time I played a CTF map where people gave half a shit about the fucking intel briefcase.

Especially you because that doesn't even happen once update chaos dies down.

Go whine elsewhere, nobody cares about your stupid bitchiness.

 

[Spire]

I can't just "play normally", because of how everyone else plays and acts. Nobody "plays normally". They flail around with their stupid hats, or moan endlessly about not getting drops, etc. They play like morons trying to grind for some achievement, and nobody plays the damned game anymore.

And I'd like to have all the items available to me. I shouldn't have to do anything to get them.

Playing TF2 has devolved into running around and shooting shit with no actual goal or purpose. I can't remember the last time I played a CTF map where people gave half a shit about the fucking intel briefcase.

What servers are you playing on? I don't think I've ever encountered any of that. I'm not even sure how one "flails around with their stupid hat".

 

[thetrin]

The only servers I play on where people don't actually care about the objective are ones filled with bots. Regular servers are filled with tons of goal oriented players that are good with working together with each other.

I don't know what you're bitching about.

 

[Darkflight]

holy shit

capndrake pointed out that engineer's father is... changing http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/evolutionaryman/

INTO SAXTON HALE

Fuck, that's...I don't even know...Valve are crazy :lol

 

[Won]

I can't just "play normally", because of how everyone else plays and acts. Nobody "plays normally". They flail around with their stupid hats, or moan endlessly about not getting drops, etc. They play like morons trying to grind for some achievement, and nobody plays the damned game anymore.

And I'd like to have all the items available to me. I shouldn't have to do anything to get them.

Playing TF2 has devolved into running around and shooting shit with no actual goal or purpose. I can't remember the last time I played a CTF map where people gave half a shit about the fucking intel briefcase.

That's just Twig and nobody cares about Twig anyway.

Also CTF always sucked. Not a problem with the community.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

holy shit

capndrake pointed out that engineer's father is... changing http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/evolutionaryman/

INTO SAXTON HALE

it's been pointed out for ages, he's turning into a prototypical australian, not necessarily hale

typical australians as seen here: http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/09.html

also it's engie's grandfather, his father was the TFC engie

 

[thetrin]

That's just Twig and nobody cares about Twig anyway.

Also CTF always sucked. Not a problem with the community.

People play something besides arena, control points and payload? This is news to me.

 

[Blizzard]

Actually, I've seen someone point out that the map may be a payload race, if only because of the presence of a blue tower in the background.

Oh, there are two cart icons, almost certainly payload race then. Cool, hopefully people will like it better than pipeline.

 

[thetrin]

I'm not totally up on TF2's modes, so this may be a dumb question: What is with the idea of destroying those satellite dishes in the map picture?

 

[Twig]

That's just Twig and nobody cares about Twig anyway.

What's just me?

You don't even play with me anymore! You're off on your crappy uncool Eurotrash servers!

ps doublecross is one of the best maps available for the game and IS the best ctf map i've played

it's been pointed out for ages, he's turning into a prototypical australian, not necessarily hale

typical australians as seen here: http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/09.html

also it's engie's grandfather, his father was the TFC engie

if he's turning into any australian, it's gotta be saxton hale

and then HE uses the third life-extender

 

[EmCeeGramr]

no because the third life-extender was obviously built for lincoln after he began to grow old after 3 decades of hiding in secrecy

 

[thetrin]

I still hope there's a green team in the works. 3 team maps would be all kinds of nutty.

 

[mclem]

it's been pointed out for ages, he's turning into a prototypical australian, not necessarily hale

typical australians as seen here: http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/09.html

also it's engie's grandfather, his father was the TFC engie

Actually, I had been wondering for a bit if the Engineer might be being relocated to Australia - vocally - given that there's currently three 'American' classes. I discounted that, though, since the achievements still had a few Texas references in them

One thing that has struck me as a possibility: A user-created item has never previously been one of the big, official unlocks for an update, as far as I'm aware; they've all been valve-created. I wonder if there's still another Valve-created item as well as this spiky wrench.

 

[Twig]

no because the third life-extender was obviously built for lincoln after he began to grow old after 3 decades of hiding in secrecy

stop being unreasonable that's so ridiculous

 

[bounchfx]

I can't believe the amount of complaining some of you do over something that's fucking free.

I mean, seriously. enjoy it.

 

[Twig]

Actually, I had been wondering for a bit if the Engineer might be being relocated to Australia - vocally - given that there's currently three 'American' classes. I discounted that, though, since the achievements still had a few Texas references in them

One thing that has struck me as a possibility: A user-created item has never previously been one of the big, official unlocks for an update, as far as I'm aware; they've all been valve-created. I wonder if there's still another Valve-created item as well as this spiky wrench.

Before this update there WERE no big updates where community items were even a possibility.

And yes, there is definitely another Valve item, undoubtedly. They've always saved the last item for the last day.

 

[Boonoo]

I'm not totally up on TF2's modes, so this may be a dumb question: What is with the idea of destroying those satellite dishes in the map picture?

Those are just what you have to destroy. In a lot of maps you're either taking over or blowing up rockets and satellite dishes.

And bah at more payload related maps.

 

[Technosteve]

I can't believe the amount of complaining some of you do over something that's fucking free.

I mean, seriously. enjoy it.

It's not free man, it's never been free man. We pay with our blood and sweat and mother fucking hats.

 

[mclem]

It looks like the lifts at the end of hightower basically work like Pipeline's ramps in the final map, so I imagine they only rise when there are people next to the cart. This could be very interesting, 'cause the endgame becomes a point where you have to stand on the cart while *right next to* the other team's cart, *and* if you fall off you're not going to be able to get back up.

 

[Twig]

Those are just what you have to destroy. In a lot of maps you're either taking over or blowing up rockets and satellite dishes.

And bah at more payload related maps.

at least they're new

now we won't be playing goldrush and badwater over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over

oh and cashworks sometimes too

 

[Loam]

Why would I use a Golden Wrench when I can use a Self-Made Wrench that looks way more badass? *Hint* *Hint*.

Taken from the TF2 Steam forums. Link

EDIT: Added link from Provens suggestion.

 

[Won]

One thing that has struck me as a possibility: A user-created item has never previously been one of the big, official unlocks for an update, as far as I'm aware; they've all been valve-created. I wonder if there's still another Valve-created item as well as this spiky wrench.

The concept of the Equalizer was a community suggestion, if you are not just talking about the design.

What's just me?

You don't even play with me anymore! You're off on your crappy uncool Eurotrash servers!

ps doublecross is one of the best maps available for the game and IS the best ctf map i've played

I would love to kick your ass, but the current GAF server is just too laggy for my tastes.

 

[Twig]

I would love to kick your ass, but the current GAF server is just too laggy for my tastes.

uh huh excuses

 

[mclem]

Random Thought #1: I'm amused that the map doesn't even acknowledge the existence of Hydro.

Random Thought #2: Doesn't the red bomb blow up the blue base? You can see the red bomb directly underneath the red tower on the hightower picture (just under the GH). That suggests that - opposite the side we're looking at with the destinations - there's a crossover point behind the central tower from which point you'd have to push the bomb directly past the enemy spawn.

 

[Twig]

Just realised: I'm amused that the map doesn't even acknowledge the existence of Hydro.

why... would it

 

[ColtraineGF]

Just realised: I'm amused that the map doesn't even acknowledge the existence of Hydro.

???

 

[Won]

Hydro?

uh huh excuses

It is an excuse, but I think it is a good excuse!

 

[pilonv1]

Disappointed there's two payload maps. But if one of them is a new race I'll be happier.

Spiked wrench fits the bill for the final weapon. It's usually Primary/Secondary/Melee and we've had Primary/Secondary already.

I'm still wondering how all these updates makes the engineer more mobile. It just makes them harder to kill if they turtle.

 

[sneakypete]

Oh, there are two cart icons, almost certainly payload race then. Cool, hopefully people will like it better than pipeline.

Damn it was staring me in the face and I didn't even notice. That will certainly make for some epic races to the top of the elevator, assuming that is an elevator up to the satellite. I imagine it will be like the uphill sections of the plr maps that backtrack quickly if no one is on the cart. I hope that this is the case, twould be epic...

It looks like the lifts at the end of hightower basically work like Pipeline's ramps in the final map, so I imagine they only rise when there are people next to the cart. This could be very interesting, 'cause the endgame becomes a point where you have to stand on the cart while *right next to* the other team's cart, *and* if you fall off you're not going to be able to get back up.

I see I'm not the only one who noticed this.

 

[mclem]

Hydro?

I originally thought it had a reference to all the original official maps (plus a few of the subsequent ones); I'd completely forgotten about the existence of Granary myself.

 

[Technosteve]

what's the payload map where the bomb would fall in to water if you aren't there to move it and everyone is next to each other. I love that custom map.

 

[Anony]

Playing TF2 has devolved into running around and shooting shit with no actual goal or purpose.

good job, you just described every single multiplayer fps ever made