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TF2 Engineer update incoming?
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Affeinvasion
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probably increase melee damage/decrease repair
Blizzard said:
5cp push maps and koth are the best types because both teams have to rapidly adapt to playing offense and defense. In payload moreso than standard a/d you just work at the exact same objective the whole way through. All that one sidedness gets dull. In that vein I wouldn't mind a payload like gorge, just a simple 2 points than flip sides.
More push and more koth (they have made three koth maps, more would be nice) would be better for everyone. Valve seems to have a massive hard on for payload, though. They don't want to make anything else D:
Official payload and payload race
pl_goldrush
pl_badwater
plr_pipeline
pl_upward
plr_hightower
Official push
cp_badlands
cp_granary
cp_well
Official koth
koth_sawmill
koth_viaduct
koth_nucleus
The last time we got a 5cp from Valve was badlands, the best map ever.
So, massive hardon = same number of official payload maps as official push maps, as official koth maps, before this update? 3v3v3 doesn't seem too unbalanced.Boonoo said:
They might have another map or two in this update, who knows.
Also, two of those payload maps are payload race, in which you...have to adapt do both defense and offense, just not in the stalemate takes-a-long-time competitive hardcore 5-capture point push style you like.
I don't like the push maps much though, so I'm biased. I'm sure competitive players probably like them.
SmashBrosAwesome
Member
2 more wrenches were just found, less than 5 minutes between them
Blizzard said:
It's a growing hardon! And I recognize that there weren't any payload maps the last update, but I live in the moment goddamnit! And we haven't had an official push map since Badlands, February 2008. That's a long time.
Also, two of those payload maps are payload race, in which you...have to adapt do both defense and offense, just not in the stalemate takes-a-long-time competitive hardcore 5-capture point push style you like.
That's true, and I do like plr more than straight pl, but they aren't quite the same. What's nice about push maps is that you can lose ground; you can't do that in a payload race. With the not losing ground you get in a situation where half the team is playing defense and half offense rather than the whole team rolling from defense into offense as you push and the back again.
Really, though, I just don't like pushing carts; it's boring and favors getting 3 heavies together to sit on the cart.
And about stalemates--you only get a stalemate if if the teams are slightly unbalanced (enough so that one side consistently gets pushed back to last) and both have poor communication. If you have even teams both with good communication you might still get a long game, but you will be bouncing from one end of the map to the other.
ColtraineGF
Member
Felt like a second.SmashBrosAwesome said:
I was crafting a backpack-full of items, and was just looking up the hat-making recipe, and then, the server I was playing on auto-kicked me for being still too long.
As that happened, I was still looking up stuff. Then, I hear "Success!" and I was like "What? Darn it, I was about to craft something...". Then, while I was looking at the Wrench page, I hear "Success! again, and think it was a mistake.
Of course, when I look on the Tf2Stats page:
I was sort of mad, since I just had an impulse to craft like crazy...
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Dyaaaam, I am liking the look of Hightower. Also, movable sentries? Yes please!
TouchMyBox
Member
Did I play hightower months ago? or was that just an incredibly similar map?
Oh good god! Valve got me back into TF2 hook, line, and sinker thanks to all this update news. I forgot how much fun it is to just jump on a server that you know is full of good people who actually use teamwork. After playing for the last 3 nights, I've gotten a bunch of items I never had (I never played during the Demo/ Soldier / Sniper / Spy updates), and even got a hat for dominating some player with whatever that hat was. I love this game.
It's a shame that for the next 3 weeks the game is going to be full of awful engineers, especially considering it's my favorite class (over 90 hours played in Engineer alone. Please don't ask what my other times are!)
I can't wait to put these new weapons through their paces. Taking control of your sentry sounds awful dangerous. If it doesn't auto-target anymore you could easily be a sitting duck. Hopefully the shield takes care of that. I wonder how fast the sentry gun will rotate. I could see them putting a rotation limit on it so you can't just whip around at will. Also, I wonder if you have to be in line-of-sight of the sentry for it to work (that would stink!)
The new shotgun sounds interesting too. The normal one has a 6-shot clip right? So that would be 3 shots, with a sentry kill granting two guaranteed crits... Hrmm. I wonder if you keep those crits if you die (probably not, that would make it a tiny bit overpowered I'd think). I hope there is some kind of HUD counter that lets you know how many crits you have stored up.
I wonder what the mele weapons will be! If it's some kind of level two movable sentry.... well how would that work? An Engineer would be kind of useless without a wrench of some sort.
I wish people would find golden wrenches quicker! I have to know!
It's a shame that for the next 3 weeks the game is going to be full of awful engineers, especially considering it's my favorite class (over 90 hours played in Engineer alone. Please don't ask what my other times are!)
I can't wait to put these new weapons through their paces. Taking control of your sentry sounds awful dangerous. If it doesn't auto-target anymore you could easily be a sitting duck. Hopefully the shield takes care of that. I wonder how fast the sentry gun will rotate. I could see them putting a rotation limit on it so you can't just whip around at will. Also, I wonder if you have to be in line-of-sight of the sentry for it to work (that would stink!)
The new shotgun sounds interesting too. The normal one has a 6-shot clip right? So that would be 3 shots, with a sentry kill granting two guaranteed crits... Hrmm. I wonder if you keep those crits if you die (probably not, that would make it a tiny bit overpowered I'd think). I hope there is some kind of HUD counter that lets you know how many crits you have stored up.
I wonder what the mele weapons will be! If it's some kind of level two movable sentry.... well how would that work? An Engineer would be kind of useless without a wrench of some sort.
I wish people would find golden wrenches quicker! I have to know!
Wren said:
You should link the thread: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1348478
Hope the wrench has more interesting stats besides decreased repair/increased damage. Nobody's gonna use it that way.... Wrenches are already strong as fuck plus an engineers main concern (IMO) would be his buildings. Keep the things interesting Valve, like the community blood kukri!
The new maps look terrific. Elevated battles should be interesting. But bring on the CP maps
Favorite maptype.
I hope the moving sentry thing ISN'T a new ability, OR it has to be pretty fucking balanced. Long setup times and whatnot. Building a level 3 sentry in spawn, then placing it somewhere along the frontlines during setup will be easier instead of waiting for dispenser metal/finding metal during the 30 seconds. Plus Engineer's strategic placement of items will not matter anymore, it seems. I dunno, giving it as an ability seems unlogical for an engineer.
I'd rather have it be that it's a special sentry unlock, Which only upgrades to level 2 with faster firing rate and can be moved but with 3sec pack in/pack out time.
Slowly starting to get more interested in this update, since
(1) it's supposedly out tonight
(2) Community weapons are SO FUCKING AWESOME
(3) I gave up about the wenches.
The new maps look terrific. Elevated battles should be interesting. But bring on the CP maps
Favorite maptype.I hope the moving sentry thing ISN'T a new ability, OR it has to be pretty fucking balanced. Long setup times and whatnot. Building a level 3 sentry in spawn, then placing it somewhere along the frontlines during setup will be easier instead of waiting for dispenser metal/finding metal during the 30 seconds. Plus Engineer's strategic placement of items will not matter anymore, it seems. I dunno, giving it as an ability seems unlogical for an engineer.
I'd rather have it be that it's a special sentry unlock, Which only upgrades to level 2 with faster firing rate and can be moved but with 3sec pack in/pack out time.
Slowly starting to get more interested in this update, since
(1) it's supposedly out tonight
(2) Community weapons are SO FUCKING AWESOME
(3) I gave up about the wenches.
Diablohead
Member
I've not seen anything mentioned about it but it would be nice just to stop everyone play engie for 2 weeks, items for other classes would keep me personally playing them all equally instead of demo spamming sentrysMNC said:
Precisely, it would keep gameplay slightly balanced since every other class would've gotten weapons as well. The contest has officially ended so it's possible. Can't wait til midnightDiablohead said:I've not seen anything mentioned about it but it would be nice just to stop everyone play engie for 2 weeks, items for other classes would keep me personally playing them all equally instead of demo spamming sentrys
So Valve makes up the attributes, community makes the model? Some of these attributes I see in the pack are quite ridiculous... 4 rockets firing at once? I hope Valve can keep some balance to it. Hats are always welcome, also need no balancing
GAH! Can't wait!perryfarrell
Member
I wonder what time the update will go live...
demosthenes
Member
Boonoo said:
I have tomorrow off, I would be ecstatic if this happened.
demosthenes
Member
valeo said:
I only paid $20 for it.
Is there anyway I can pay Valve more? Should I just keep buying more games to support them b/c I feel like I robbed them.
perryfarrell
Member
I'm more excited about this update than I have been about the release of any game. Valve knows what to do to keep its customers hooked. Plus, it's free.
demosthenes
Member
Bliddo said:
Great idea!
It would be really funny if you worked for Valve
I picture the Engy being able to build any level sentry, pack it up, and then walk with it. There probably will be some cool down, but it'll be 2 seconds at most. Everyone is going to scream it's overpowered, and forget that it still takes time and work to build the sentry and then carry it while being defenseless all the way to the battlefield, and that it'll still be difficult to use on push maps, but at the very least now there are problems solved.
Like when you need to quickly build a sentry up to guard a point but don't have the time to place it perfectly. Like when you're coordinating with another engineer and instead of one sentry always moving, you'll have two. Like when one of the thousands of Engy newbies place their sentry in a bad spot and you want to help them out before setup time ends.
The fact is, it needs to be this "OP" simply because sentries are easy to destroy, only ever get easier to destroy, and I know that when I'm not playing Engie this weekend I'll be constantly pushing out ubers as Medic to help keep them easy to destroy.
Like when you need to quickly build a sentry up to guard a point but don't have the time to place it perfectly. Like when you're coordinating with another engineer and instead of one sentry always moving, you'll have two. Like when one of the thousands of Engy newbies place their sentry in a bad spot and you want to help them out before setup time ends.
The fact is, it needs to be this "OP" simply because sentries are easy to destroy, only ever get easier to destroy, and I know that when I'm not playing Engie this weekend I'll be constantly pushing out ubers as Medic to help keep them easy to destroy.
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Diablohead
Member
I would do that but shipping to the UK costs 4 times as much as the item itself! same with the halo bungie store :/Bliddo said:
I bought TF2 when it was £20 back in 2008 at some point, about 8 months later the OB went on sale for £3.50 so I bought that just for portal and the HL episodes :lol
demosthenes
Member
Proven said:
I don't care if I need to have a full 200 metal in me and it drains it to move a sentry, the idea of moving a sentry is awesome. It's so frustrating to build up on a point, let's say in Fastlane @ mid and then have to start pushing, destroy everything and rebuild.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Wow, 13 wrenches in 9 hours, they're really dropping today. Can't wait can't wait!
thetrin said:
It makes Engie more viable on 5CP maps.
Team captures mid -> build on mid -> team captures 4th -> move gear to 4th.
Or, use it in regular defensive scenarios.
Sentry keeps killin' dudes -> enemies figure out how to attack it -> move it before their next strike -> confusion and chaos.
Only time it's not as useful is offensive Engie, where you're expecting your gear to get killed, but even then being able to push your dispenser forward with your team would be invaluable.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Also, this is really clever, and I've never thought of it like that. Are there any other multiplayer games trying something similar for progression?mclem said:
Philthy
Member
You know, this is by far the best multiplayer FPS I've ever played. I used to hold Quake/Quake 2 in that special place in my heart with the grappling hook. It was amazing back then.
You know how people were completely OCD over Counter-Strike when it came out and basically still are? I always wondered what all the fuss was. I tried it out, it was okay, but not as fun as Quake with the grappling hooks.
So now I see these TF2 threads literally everywhere. It's CS all over again, so I grab it on sale a few weeks back on Steam when it was on sale.
It is easily the most fun I've had in a multiplayer FPS since Quake, the beta days of PlanetSide, and anything else that has come out.
Continued updates and improvements? Yes please! LOVE THIS.
You know how people were completely OCD over Counter-Strike when it came out and basically still are? I always wondered what all the fuss was. I tried it out, it was okay, but not as fun as Quake with the grappling hooks.
So now I see these TF2 threads literally everywhere. It's CS all over again, so I grab it on sale a few weeks back on Steam when it was on sale.
It is easily the most fun I've had in a multiplayer FPS since Quake, the beta days of PlanetSide, and anything else that has come out.
Continued updates and improvements? Yes please! LOVE THIS.
jaundicejuice
Member
I just changed my PC's sleep settings so it won't turn off today, and the update will be ready by the time I get home from work.
demosthenes
Member
Javaman said:
Yea when I'm playing on the 32man I like, if another person is playing Engi that I'm friends with or know I'll set up my tele and keep it at the first point and he can have the 2nd point. It's just easier to always have teles up instead of trying to move them always.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Exactly, I still don't know a lot of maps by heart, so its really hard playing engie because I don't know at the start of the round where I'm heading; where the main points of conflict are, where a sentry is going to be needed...Javaman said:
demosthenes
Member
The_Technomancer said:
I learned by watching other engis...this doesn't always work b/c I played w/ really smart people and there are not so smart people out there.
Just play with different sentry locations, eventually you'll find good spots for them.