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The 2015 RPG thread - A weak sequel but still a good year
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There's discussion on it on RPGCodex. Which is generally incomparably better at judging the quality of an RPG than Metacritic. But hey, I'm sure to try it for myself at some point, and it would be nice to be positively surprised (like I was by the first game).
Actually, I also think the Fallouts are pretty overrated. Their position is easily my biggest personal disagreement with the RPGCodex "top RPGs of all time" list. As I said, I like parties in my isometric RPGs -- I feel like battles are simply far less interesting without complete party control.
I'm an RPG gamer and play all types on all platforms -- just look at the second entry in my special selection. But I don't think the 2 or 3 big name console titles this year quite make up for the lack of variety in the genre overall compared to 2014.
Basically, 2014 has at least one equivalent in each sub-genre of each game slated for 2015, while the reverse sadly isn't the case.
And choice is far less interesting in every one of those party rpgs. Fallout has some serious advantages.
I had no idea FFX HD is coming to PS4 in March. Great news
Oh no, that March release date was for the US release of FFXHD/Vita for the PS3/Vita, hence I said 2014
FFXHD for PS4 is still Spring 2015 TBA
I thought I knew you man. You're dead to me. You hear me, DEAD!
Seriously though. Fallout 2 is the best CRPG of all time. That's scientific *fact*.
I think I completed all the updates people posted, let me know if I missed anything.
And when I mean sadly I mean it really makes me sad, like few things in gaming do these days. There's basically no one else even attempting to do that kind of game.
Even the Codex agrees
Sadly, quite sure.
And when I mean sadly I mean it really makes me sad, like few things in gaming do these days. There's basically no one else even attempting to do that kind of game.
No, that's Planescape: Torment.
Even the Codex agrees
No, that's Planescape: Torment.
Even the Codex agrees
I've got the math right here.
See? Fallout 2.
No, that's Planescape: Torment.
Even the Codex agrees
UMMM EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME
The best RPG of all time is Baldur's Gate 2.
And the Codex would say a cucumber is the best thing ever if someone told them Avellone wrote it.
MisterShine
Member
No, that's Planescape: Torment.
Even the Codex agrees
How can you both be so wrong?
It's obviously Baldur's Gate 2. It does everything at least competently.
edit: Me and you Dude, me n' you.
True story, I've never finished Arcanum. I've made 3 attempts, never could choke it down.
And afterwards, the only game which still seems eminently relatable to the beings inhabiting that turn-up reality will be PST.
Q.E.D.
Greater in brokenness? Certainly.
(I have to admit it's less dull than Fallout 2 and BG2 though)
HamPster PamPster
Member
Guys, guys. Septerra Core
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
Wait, I thought MMX did well for them?
MisterShine
Member
In one category! One! PST would make a fine visual novel though.
I mostly jest. My love for PST is boundless.
edit:
Wat. It's the third-worst Troika game.
I'm pretty sure I read that it sold below expectations. I think they broke even, but it wasn't anywhere near the success that something like Grimrock was.
FlyingSaucer
Banned
I blame the Forgotten Realms, personnally. Cliched fantasy settings do a very poor justice to Fantasy as a genre.
I hope the new Bard's Tale game will count...
WhiskerFrisker
Member
All around great year for RPGs. I can't wait for Xenoblade to come out. So I will be getting Bloodborne, Witcher 3, Xenoblade X, Persona 5 (lol), Disgaea 5, and Ys. Can't wait!
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Hahaha damn @ that chalkboard. That is legit scary.I've got the math right here.
See? Fallout 2.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Almost feel like we should add "7/10 Durante hype points" as a bullet point to our Cosmic Star Heroine marketing material.
I see why some people preferred 2014, but 2015 has sequels to many of my favorite games - Persona 5, Xenoblade X, Trails SC - as well as the first game we've ever done that we've been able to spend more than a year on, so I think 2015 is going to be at least as good as 2014.
I see why some people preferred 2014, but 2015 has sequels to many of my favorite games - Persona 5, Xenoblade X, Trails SC - as well as the first game we've ever done that we've been able to spend more than a year on, so I think 2015 is going to be at least as good as 2014.
It's a mess as a game. Almost unplayable.
Which is a shame because it's otherwise pretty great.
Baldur's Gate 2 is dull? I weep for you, Durante. I weep.
Hot Coldman
Banned
2015 seems NUTS for RPGs, and that's based on XCX and Persona 5 alone. Need those games in me.
Bravely Second getting a late 2015 release would be nice too, but that seems like a dream too far. Maybe just for Europe.
Bravely Second getting a late 2015 release would be nice too, but that seems like a dream too far. Maybe just for Europe.
It's not dull on an absolute scale, it's just dull relative to PST.
Shake Appeal
Member
Fallout 2 isn't even the best Fallout game out of the two that exist.
It has more content than Fallout, and it fleshed out the world in some interesting ways, but it's not as pure and the tone and humor is all over the place.
It has more content than Fallout, and it fleshed out the world in some interesting ways, but it's not as pure and the tone and humor is all over the place.
Delusibeta
Banned
Torment got haha-if-you-think-this-releases-in-2015-I-got-a-bridge-to-sell-you/10? Bias!
I see 'arcanum is unplayable' all the time but it's really not, it's just kinda broken (lol) and janky and the combat is like a how-to guide on things not to do (except for turn based backstabbing; loved it there and loved it in D:OS as well). But if you get past those things it's a smooth ride, except for the camera control that's tethered and locked to not go beyond a certain distance from your character. Otherwise, it's all good. Playing it will turn you into a better person, a figure of patience and understanding who understands that Arcanum is fucking great.
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As for BG2 it's definitely one of those greater than the sum of its parts deal - like the writing is just okay, the cast is mostly middling and forgettable, and its tactical complexity is rooted around a stacked magic system with tons of filler spells. That it's a damned good adventure is undeniable and the love shown for it is testament, I feel, to the way RPG fans are willing to overlook certain flaws, understanding that jank is inevitable, that with projects of such size certain areas are going to be weaker than others, and that critical appreciation in the end can't be cut down to a checklist of pros and flaws.
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As for BG2 it's definitely one of those greater than the sum of its parts deal - like the writing is just okay, the cast is mostly middling and forgettable, and its tactical complexity is rooted around a stacked magic system with tons of filler spells. That it's a damned good adventure is undeniable and the love shown for it is testament, I feel, to the way RPG fans are willing to overlook certain flaws, understanding that jank is inevitable, that with projects of such size certain areas are going to be weaker than others, and that critical appreciation in the end can't be cut down to a checklist of pros and flaws.
It's not bias, there is just no way that game releases this year. inXile was all hands on deck for Wasteland 2, they've only been going full blast on Torment for a few months now.
It's a 2016 release, bank on it.
This right here. I was LTTP with the first two Fallouts, but the first one is clearly the best one. Fallout 2 was the beginning of the end in my book.
Anyway as for the recent conversation you are all crazy the best RPG was Bloodlines.
My dream is a spiritual successor to Arcanum with decent combat. Yes, I would be happy with decent combat if everything else about Arcanum that I loved is still intact.
Nope
Don't blame me, I got a physical collector's edition.
edit: Oh wait, you said "physical". I just got the Digital Deluxe Edition for Dirty Mouthbreathers. MMX's failure is on me.
FlyingSaucer
Banned
How can Arcanum be 'unplayable' when you can just put points in Force/Disintegrate to breeze your way throught it ? ;p
bobnowhere
Member
Has anyone had a go at "I Shall Remain" yet?
Seems like it might be out of Early Access sometime near the end of this quarter. It looks to be a bit of a ARPG zombie survival game set at the end of WW2.
Seems like it might be out of Early Access sometime near the end of this quarter. It looks to be a bit of a ARPG zombie survival game set at the end of WW2.
uncredited male
Member
I love Arcanum but that UI is one of the greatest gaming examples of the pitfalls of style over substance.
texhnolyze
Banned
Has anyone had a go at "I Shall Remain" yet?
Seems like it might be out of Early Access sometime near the end of this quarter. It looks to be a bit of a ARPG zombie survival game set at the end of WW2.
Wow, looks great.
After reading the early access reviews, now I'm hyped!
Oh what about that RPG with the physics based combat... it was on kickstarter... ugh whats it called again? Something Genesis? Soy Generic? Whatever the hell, it looked kinda cool and I imagine given that it's been development for eons has gotta be coming out soon.
Sui Generis. Last update was three months ago when they released some kind of alpha. No idea if it's any good.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1473965863/sui-generis/posts/1029372
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1473965863/sui-generis/posts/1029372
AngmarsKing701
Member
Pillars of Eternity for me. I hope I get time to play it.
Since this is the now de facto place to talk about RPGs, everyone should read this interview from RPGCodex: RPG Codex Retrospective Interview: Richard Seaborne on Escape from Hell, Myraglen, and Prophecy.
This little tidbit has me interested in checking out Escape from Hell just to find out to what extent the Tridents' effects were. Fantastic interview though. It's hilarious that a site of RPG enthusiast who aren't professionals continue to conduct better interviews, and acquire more interesting information out of them than any of the actual professionals and corresponding websites.
The game has some impressive art too:
This little tidbit has me interested in checking out Escape from Hell just to find out to what extent the Tridents' effects were. Fantastic interview though. It's hilarious that a site of RPG enthusiast who aren't professionals continue to conduct better interviews, and acquire more interesting information out of them than any of the actual professionals and corresponding websites.
The game has some impressive art too:
Yea that's the one.
I think we all know that NieR is the best RPG in existence, or at least when it comes to story / impact / setting and music.
Atmosphere wise, nothing tops Gothic 1 and 2. NOTHING. Not even close. It's alone in its league.
In terms of best cRPG, I'm torn between a few. Wouldn't it been for the atrocious combat, Torment would probably take the cake, but since that's not the case, I dunno really. Now if we'd had Torment's setting and characters with Divinity:OS' combat...
Atmosphere wise, nothing tops Gothic 1 and 2. NOTHING. Not even close. It's alone in its league.
In terms of best cRPG, I'm torn between a few. Wouldn't it been for the atrocious combat, Torment would probably take the cake, but since that's not the case, I dunno really. Now if we'd had Torment's setting and characters with Divinity:OS' combat...
Sui Generis won't be out this year, I've got the standalone prequel Exanima in the OP.
Yeah, it's an amazing interview and everyone should read it.
I just visited the Atelier Shallie website and there they say you have full control over the camera now.
http://www.ateliergames.eu/shallie/#wor02
http://www.ateliergames.eu/shallie/#wor02
Ah, yes, I actually read that back when it was announced but forgot to update the table entry when I copied it from Escha & Logy
.New page? Read this interview:
I never said it was a weak year, just a weak sequel to 2014. Which, if you look at the breadth and depth across the entire RPG landscape, it is.
Of course, it's still looking to be a better year than anything other than 2014 in at least the past 8 years or so. Ergo good year, weak sequel.
I still don't get these posts.
I never said it was a weak year, just a weak sequel to 2014. Which, if you look at the breadth and depth across the entire RPG landscape, it is.
Of course, it's still looking to be a better year than anything other than 2014 in at least the past 8 years or so. Ergo good year, weak sequel.