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Charred Greyface said:
... You crazy
I'm just spouting off from personal experience. Black absorbs all light, white reflects is. Books are, for the most part, printed on white paper, or something very close to white. I used to read in the sun all the time as a kid and it sucks. I'm not saying the iPad of the Kindle are better, or that reading outside in general is bad, it's the specific argument of "Oh yeah well try to read on your ____ in direct sunlight" that's silly because no matter what you're reading on direct sunlight + reading = sucks.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
is logic pro's issue for you CPU or memory related?

CPU. Once you have more than 15-16 tracks going with multiple plug ins, often when one kicks in it spikes with too math at once and everything stops and it throws back a system resource error. I'm only running a 2.16 dual core though. I'll probably upgrade some time in the next year.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
really now? better than Firefox? how so?
Firefox and Chrome are equal with great tab positioning, but OCD people like myself who always like non-clutteredness, the hiding the bookmarks thing goes a long way. If you aren't familiar when you open a new tab your bookmark bar will appear but once you enter a website it will go away. It's just sleek and nice that its not always there.
 
WordAssassin said:
First off, I need to know how you set up AirVideo to stream over 3G, because that is futuristic shit right there.

Second, to the people arguing about Kindle VS iPad reading in the sunlight. I'm not making an argument for either side, but have you guys who are sneering at the iPad in the sunlight ever tried reading a real book in direct sunlight? The light bounces right off the white page into your eyes and it is bright as hell and it fucking sucks. So I'm sorry to diffuse your argument entirely, but reading in direct sunlight period sucks ass, no matter what you're reading on.
The air video server app generates a "server PIN" number that you enter in the iPhone app and it makes the connection automagically. No special work required. At least on my system.

As for the kindle, iPad reading thing, the main issue for a lot of people is glass. Using a laptop with a glossy screen is tougher to read in sunlight than a matte one.

The kindle screen doesn't reflect back an image of light source into your face when reading. Glass does.

There's other issues with LCD tech that makes it harder to read in sunlight than e ink but a lot of that is mitigated with a matte screen. The iPad doesn't use that.
 
LiveFromKyoto said:
CPU. Once you have more than 15-16 tracks going with multiple plug ins, often when one kicks in it spikes with too math at once and everything stops and it throws back a system resource error. I'm only running a 2.16 dual core though. I'll probably upgrade some time in the next year.
ah. sweet.
 
StopMakingSense said:
You just need to a) forward the port you are using the server on the router to point to the machine you are running the server on. And b) find out yo ur external IP address and use that as the server address in Air Video.
I just tried it with air video and it's easier than that. It gives you a twelve digit pin and uses UPNP to forward the necessary port to your router. Since it is that easy I'm guessing that the Air Video client, like Orb before it, is talking to some kind of server that Air Video maintains and keeps that server updated on what your IP is and that Air Video clients like the iPhone and iPad apps just connect to that global Air Video server and know which one is yours from the pin you provide. That's good and bad. Makes setting the clients up a hell of a lot easier but it also means that you're shit is done whenever their shit is down even if your server is still running on your home computer, but you don't have to worry about buying a static IP from your ISP or learning how to use a service like DynDNS as well.


I tried it on my computer today, using my Palms 3g from Verizon and it was beyond terrible. I have some things killing my internet upload so it's either too much shit going to the internet from my computer or my 3G is just too damn slow but either way it was unusable for me, I suspect I'm using too much upstream bandwidth though. America really needs to start getting better upload speeds already. Still neat because I can show my neighbor anything because it works great from my wifi network and it covers like the whole damn complex.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
they said a fix is on the way.

I happened to be at an Apple Store, and I asked a genius about it, ad he looked at mine, and sai he'd replace it.

My new iPad has a warmer screen, I think, but it's a 4 week later model, so he's hoping the issue will improve.
 
First of all, let me make sure everyone understands that the upper row of tabs that I have is a firefox extension called "toomanytabs" and basically functions as a unique way to use bookmarks that simply look as if they are tabs: the way they are separated, the icon+title of each individual page is cached, but the tab is not in memory until you click on it, at which point it removes it from the upper bar and places it on the lower bar.

I really like it, it's like a "temporary bookmark" plugin that doesnt need to go into my bookmarks folder like i used to do: bookmarking millions of websites until I have to go about clearing out my bookmarks because now i cant find anything.

Bboy AJ said:
Having thirty tabs open is not being a power user.

No need to get into every person's connotation of a phrase. The simple fact is that the way i use firefox every day is something that simply can't be done on an ipad. I could adapt my particular style to bookmarking everything on the ipad or using icab or whatever, but suffice it to say im not looking forward to it. As such, I would consider myself a "power user" in the simple way that apple builds their products for the "casual user" and I prefer much more demanding uses of a web browser.

Gary Whitta said:
LOL @ tabmania

Maybe you could get by with fewer tabs if you didn't insist on having tabs for multiple iterations of the same page. What is even the point of that? :lol

Well I assume you mean the two "The Apple iPad..." and "We Rule..." tabs? because I don't see any other multiples. That is actually because they are "the apple ipad |the official thread", "the apple ipad gaming thread", "we rule, gaffers playing?" and "we rule ngmoco ;)" threads.

shidoshi said:
And, if I can go off-topic for a moment, I really have to ask Ice Monkey: what in the hell are you doing with all of those tabs open? I'm asking from honest curiosity, not from trying to call you insane or anything.

First of all, disregard for the most part the second row of tabs, as I explained earlier they are like temporary bookmarks that I want to visit later. If you're interested as to why i care about them, well:

* the first link is to a review of nimblekit that i am curious about
* an article about making iphone apps at full scale on an ipad (sounds interesting)
* i want to try "the whispered world" sometime and would like not to forget
* i still need to watch "the spirit"

The tabs i have given precedence lately are at the bottom and i refresh them at least once a day: the first four are all about android on the iphone 3g, I have been following these links for more than a week patiently awaiting planetbeing to finally release his binaries.

Wifi sync i opened as I was going through this threadand still havent looked at. I did look at the "1 month later ipad" link and read the whole thing, then closed it. The other apple ipad thread is the gaming thread. The hulu tab was a video of keith hernandez falling asleep during a commercial break that I have since closed. Gmail is self explanatory.

shidoshi said:
What is it about how you feel about your browsing experience that makes you need to have that many tabs open? For example, why keep some of the content-based sites open when there's no way you can be reading them all at once? What about keeping tabs open satisfies your emotional/mental requirements that other forms of having links to that content don't?

The simple fact is, I dont need the tabs open. I just check them often enough that I enjoy my browsing experience more with having them ready and waiting to be checked again. I don't put some of the more frequent ones on the toomanytabs bar because that is chock full already and I'd prefer not having to use a second row. I want the tabs in a much more "in your face" view that motivates me to check them.

When I am not using firefox, like i go into steam and play a game or something, I close it. I have an intel SSD and a FIOS line so when I reopen firefox even with 20 tabs needing to load it is lightning fast. Then i go through every single tab and re-check them. When I need more screen real estate for something like a flash game I hit my trusty old F11. if i dont need the screen estate I don't mind having the tabs up there, I use them all the time as it is.

The real thing here is that I find a list of bookmarks accessed by clicking through a menu and folder structure like i used in the past does not lend itself to reminding you to check on them or do something about them without you having to spend time making some sort of separate list to remind yourself to do that stuff.

shidoshi said:
Also, I'm curious: is your desktop relatively clutter-free, or do you have a lot of aliases / folders / files / etc. on it? I wonder if there's any correlation, because just as I can't stand to have a lot of tabs open at once, I also can't stand to have much, if anything, on my desktop. (I also run Spaces under Mac OS X, and have very detailed set-ups for what applications run in what virtual space, so that most of the time I'm only seeing one app and nothing else cluttering up the background.)

My desktop habits are as such: I download everything and it's mother usually to my desktop. I download multiple separate files a day most days. It's just the amount of internet tubes I go through, I really do THAT much. I have a folder on my desktop labeled "old desktop stuff". When my desktop gets a little too cluttered, I ctrl-click all the files i am done with and delete them. I then ctrl-click all the files I want to save for some day or for later use and put them into "old desktop stuff". When I do my multiple-times-a-year reinstall of windows or migration to another primary machine (also multiple times a year) I put the "old desktop stuff into the new machine's "old desktop stuff" folder or I go through the "old desktop stuff" folder and make a folder called "really old desktop stuff" and put files I havent used in a long time and dont plan to anytime soon into that folder. I never delete files that have some sort of significance to me or have served me well. I sometimes install programs on a new pc using files from years ago then update it through it's interface.

I have many of these desktop folders going back as far back as 7-10 years ago. Some piece of poetry I wrote, some song I recorded or some email I wrote years ago that made its way into "old desktop stuff" at some time or another. It's pretty cool going back through them to say the least so I see no reason to save some 100-200MB of space by deleting this stuff. All the multiple gig linux distros and stuff get deleted when i need space though.
 
LCfiner said:
As for the kindle, iPad reading thing, the main issue for a lot of people is glass. Using a laptop with a glossy screen is tougher to read in sunlight than a matte one.

The kindle screen doesn't reflect back an image of light source into your face when reading. Glass does.

There's other issues with LCD tech that makes it harder to read in sunlight than e ink but a lot of that is mitigated with a matte screen. The iPad doesn't use that.
Matte screens suck ass in sunlight. With glossy basically you either have the sun reflecting full force into your eyes, or it's enhancing all the fingerprints to obscure the screen. They're somewhat usable as long as you can find an angle where the sun isn't blinding you.

With matte you'll reduce the fingerprints and minor reflections. The problem is that the sun isn't minor. The matte surface that nicely diffuses small reflections gets washed the fuck out by the sun cause it's too much damn light.
mAcOdIn said:
I just tried it with air video and it's easier than that.  It gives you a twelve digit pin and uses UPNP to forward the necessary port to your router.  Since it is that easy I'm guessing that the Air Video client, like Orb before it, is talking to some kind of server that Air Video maintains and keeps that server updated on what your IP is and that Air Video clients like the iPhone and iPad apps just connect to that global Air Video server and know which one is yours from the pin you provide.  That's good and bad.  Makes setting the clients up a hell of a lot easier but it also means that you're shit is done whenever their shit is down even if your server is still running on your home computer, but you don't have to worry about buying a static IP from your ISP or learning how to use a service like DynDNS as well.
Yeah it's just doing something with their server and UPnP/NAT-PMP. It's not necessary though, it's just for easy configuration. I use it with that option off.
I tried it on my computer today, using my Palms 3g from Verizon and it was beyond terrible.  I have some things killing my internet upload so it's either too much shit going to the internet from my computer or my 3G is just too damn slow but either way it was unusable for me, I suspect I'm using too much upstream bandwidth though.  America really needs to start getting better upload speeds already.  Still neat because I can show my neighbor anything because it works great from my wifi network and it covers like the whole damn complex.
Check the conversion options and try disabling the higher bit rate options, or start low and work your way up to see what your connection can handle.
Ice Monkey said:
All the multiple gig linux distros and stuff get deleted when i need space though.
Do you really have a bunch of Linux distros laying around or is that a euphemism for pirated stuff? Cause it seems like everyone uses BitTorrent for "Linux distros" and never anything else.
 
japtor said:
Do you really have a bunch of Linux distros laying around or is that a euphemism for pirated stuff? Cause it seems like everyone uses BitTorrent for "Linux distros" and never anything else.

No, actually I had/have several linux distro CDs/ISOs that I keep around sometimes mainly because I
1. Don't like burning CDs

2. Have multiple netbooks and an m11x (kinda a netbook) without dvd drives and have to install the ISOs there using usb keys (i have more usb keys than blank DVDs!) I even have a thinkpad but never have the dvd drive plugged in, I plug in a second hard drive into a caddy instead and rock two hard drives.

3. I use the usb keys for storage until i need them for an iso "burning" so i then copy off the stored files and "burn" the image to the usb key then when done I go back to storage so its not like the usb key acts as my "backup" of the iso

4. I find many public mirrors seem to be ass slow, so I try to keep the distro iso around until I need space. I also constantly screw up dual/triple-boot configs and find the easiest thing to do is just reinstall linux/windows 7/XP etc in a specific order for the least hassle. It's because of this i almost never keep files i want to keep on my linux installs and instead keep them on windows since i do the majority of my computing there so i'm more likely to try and recover data from a windows install.
 
japtor said:
Yeah it's just doing something with their server and UPnP/NAT-PMP. It's not necessary though, it's just for easy configuration. I use it with that option off.

Check the conversion options and try disabling the higher bit rate options, or start low and work your way up to see what your connection can handle.
Ahh, didn't hunt around enough to see you could do it any other way good to know.

As for changing the conversion options, I'm not doing that. It gets to a point of diminishing returns to me where making it work isn't worth the quality drop. I could of course also schedule my uploads or control them remotely via the iPad to free up my computer's upstream bandwidth as well, but I wont do that either. Using Air Video to me was always more of a toy to show off than something I'd actually use.

The only time I'm away from my home wifi network is at work and school. At work I'd have to use my Palms 3g and I don't have time to watch anything in the first place and at school I also don't have enough time to watch anything even though there's faster wifi available. At home my TV is right there and even though Air Video works fantastic over the wifi network there's just no fucking sense in watching it on the iPad at that point. Air Video was always a toy for me and at 3 bucks it was worth it and I wanted to support the work they were doing even if it wasn't of any real tangible use to me.

Perhaps if I get to a point in my life where I travel I'd consider changing my main PC's bandwidth usage but currently it's not worth it. Like long bus or train trips, or staying at hotels and shit like that, then I could see Air Video becoming an app I'd actually use instead of using it just to show off what could be done, but that's not my life so I won't rearrange my life just to get Air Video to work better.

That said though, FFMPEG must have made some fantastic progress over the years as my quad core now rips through that shit at HD levels like butter. A few years ago it wasn't what my internet connection could do it was what my machine can handle. Some may not think that's a big deal, but considering this is the same launch 9500 quad phenom I was using years ago to try live conversion over my home network the progress is immense, I'm not using a new machine the software is now making better use of my computer. I'm always happy to see that kind of progress because while I personally may not ever use Air Video I know many of you guys will or already do.
 
anyone with a camera connection kit can confirm whether you can charge the ipad while using a keyboard with it? This isn't a dealbreaker for me if you cant thanks to the battery life of the ipad but i find myself using full brightness when near power outlets which only gives me something like 4 hours of battery life and this would be really disappointing if you have to trade charging for using a wired keyboard.

I was thinking about getting a bluetooth keyboard today but i still havent found one in a decent price point but now im starting to think if you cant charge the ipad with a wired keyboard plugged in then i'd prefer a wireless one.
 
Ice Monkey said:
anyone with a camera connection kit can confirm whether you can charge the ipad while using a keyboard with it? This isn't a dealbreaker for me if you cant thanks to the battery life of the ipad but i find myself using full brightness when near power outlets which only gives me something like 4 hours of battery life and this would be really disappointing if you have to trade charging for using a wired keyboard.

I was thinking about getting a bluetooth keyboard today but i still havent found one in a decent price point but now im starting to think if you cant charge the ipad with a wired keyboard plugged in then i'd prefer a wireless one.
Because the 30-pin-to-USB camera kit goes into the 30-pin slot on the bottom of the iPad, there is no physical way to both charge the iPad and use the USB slot at the same time.
 
Weird question, but is there any way to lower the ipad's brightness below the minimum allowed in settings? My eyes are pretty sensitive and the lowest brightness on this thing is still pretty damn bright
 
I wish I had known about the offline conversion feature of air video. I would have installed it on day 1. I wish it would add to iTunes after conversion, though.
 
WordAssassin said:
Because the 30-pin-to-USB camera kit goes into the 30-pin slot on the bottom of the iPad, there is no physical way to both charge the iPad and use the USB slot at the same time.

that sucks...i was hoping it would be like the docks where the 30pin connector is recreated on the back of it.
 
EriCKY said:
Weird question, but is there any way to lower the ipad's brightness below the minimum allowed in settings? My eyes are pretty sensitive and the lowest brightness on this thing is still pretty damn bright
You could try white on black mode under accessibility options. I know the Kindle and iBooks app allows lowering it beyond the default minimum. You could try bugging your favorite app developers to add that feature. Otherwise, there might be a jailbreak program that does that.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
yes.

HOWEVER...I used it last night to connect my iPad to my TV to stream movies from my PC
...and my PC was about 1,000 miles away!

and that, sir, is why AirVideo is the roxxorz.

you need to leave your home to really see why AirVideo rocks. if you're just using it around your home network, you're doing it wrong.

Ah okay, that's cool. And I was actually at my parents house today and they wanted to watch some show's I had on the iPad. Would have worked out well if I had everything set up but I didn't have the Air Video server running and don't have any cables. I'll have to remember to keep the Air Video server running at all times. Never know when it may come in handy.

Assuming this is what I need to get this too work?
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB128LL/B
 
VGChampion said:
Ah okay, that's cool. And I was actually at my parents house today and they wanted to watch some show's I had on the iPad. Would have worked out well if I had everything set up but I didn't have the Air Video server running and don't have any cables. I'll have to remember to keep the Air Video server running at all times. Never know when it may come in handy.

Assuming this is what I need to get this too work?
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB128LL/B
yes, that would do it.

alternatively, you could get the iPad VGA-out attachment and a VGA cable. provided your parents have an HDTV, you can most likely hook up that way...though you'd also need an audio out cable going from the headphone jack (3.5mm) to red & white audio.

on second thought...yea...the component AV cable is the way to go.
 
Ice Monkey said:
that sucks...i was hoping it would be like the docks where the 30pin connector is recreated on the back of it.
But even then the dock only gives you something to set it on, and then plug it into the USB or the wall. The dock is merely a shell over an extension cord. What you're asking for is a splitter, and those don't exist for any of the iDevices. Just use a Bluetooth keyboard so you can charge while you type. The iPad works with any kind, not just Apple's.
 
WordAssassin said:
But even then the dock only gives you something to set it on, and then plug it into the USB or the wall. The dock is merely a shell over an extension cord. What you're asking for is a splitter, and those don't exist for any of the iDevices. Just use a Bluetooth keyboard so you can charge while you type. The iPad works with any kind, not just Apple's.

i actually didnt think about it that way that the dock was mainly just acting as an adapter of sorts with an added line-out attachment. I suppose there's talk that apple hadnt even planned on usb keyboard support so looking at it as JUST a camera connection kit, the extra dock connector isnt necessary. Unfortunate to say the least!

I feel like this has been asked so many times, but anybody have any suggestions on the perfect and hopefully cheap bluetooth keyboard for the ipad?
 
Trouble said:
I wish I had known about the offline conversion feature of air video. I would have installed it on day 1. I wish it would add to iTunes after conversion, though.
The latest one has an "Add to iTunes" button on videos after they've been converted.
Dreams-Visions said:
yes, that would do it.

alternatively, you could get the iPad VGA-out attachment and a VGA cable. provided your parents have an HDTV, you can most likely hook up that way...though you'd also need an audio out cable going from the headphone jack (3.5mm) to red & white audio.

on second thought...yea...the component AV cable is the way to go.
You'll be limited to 480/576p with the component cable btw.
 
Ugh. I knew it. I changed my iPad for a new one, and I'm having issues syncing apps from my restore.

I purchased Twitterrific from the NZ store. Somehow, I managed to upgrade to premium via the app.

But when I restored, I was no longer able to access my premium features. SO I deleted and reinstalled. Of course, I had to redownload the upgrade. But now it doesn't access the upgrade, because it can't access the appstore.
 
Has anyone tried creating an eBay listing using the iPad? The text box for entering your detailed descriptive text doesn't seem to read as a proper text box in iPad Safari, and so the virtual keyboard doesn't pop up for me to enter text.
 
Steve Jobs with his version of ""And your contribution to society is...what?"
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From a Gawker email conversation Steve http://gawker.com/5539717/steve-jobs-offers-world-freedom-from-porn
 
SnowWolf said:
Steve Jobs with his version of ""And your contribution to society is...what?"
sjobs5.jpg


From a Gawker email conversation Steve http://gawker.com/5539717/steve-jobs-offers-world-freedom-from-porn


As silly as the contribution argument is, I'm surprised Ryan Tate would make this public as it make him look like a 12yo screaming and swearing at a CEO of a company.

Lastly, still not certain why Apple doesn't just implement the parental controls and allow the store to sell anything within reason. At least closer to R/M rated materials. Hell you can pull up ANYTHING on the browser Apple is not exactly protecting kids from anything.
 
SnowWolf said:
Steve Jobs with his version of ""And your contribution to society is...what?"
sjobs5.jpg


From a Gawker email conversation Steve http://gawker.com/5539717/steve-jobs-offers-world-freedom-from-porn
Not really about the ipad, and is already being discussed on the Gizmodo/Gawker thread, but there probably will be a thread about it later today. Ryan Tate comes off being pretty unprofessional, IMO, though Steve looks bad too. You don't bring up unrelated stuff in a discussion about the wall-gardened approach (the pet police force kicking down a coworker's doors), just like a NY Times reporter wouldn't bring up Judith Miller in a random Bush press conference about a different issue. Cursing like a pre-teen doesn't help either.
 
I would really like more privacy settings on my iPad. I use my iPad to show people things and hand it off to them. However, I dont want them being able to go through my email or such.
 
Guys,

To anyone with the 3G iPad, please tell me what tariff you guys are using.

I am travelling to work on the train for about 1.30hrs and I am normally using 3G then, so 5 out of 7 days I pretty much hammer neogaf and news sites.

DO you think 3GB will be enough? As 5GB is kinda espensive :(..I might just teether to from my Nexus one, and then just use the one off pay as you go option.

Any idea if I can choose 3G tarrifs on the fly without being at my machine?
 
a guest profile wouldn't hurt.

and as for freedom from porn, what happens when porn sites start to make html5 versions? Jobs orders them blocked from safari?
 
Ripclawe said:
a guest profile wouldn't hurt.

and as for freedom from porn, what happens when porn sites start to make html5 versions? Jobs orders them blocked from safari?

Exactly.

Plus, since you can already load video files and browse non-Flash porn sites, porn is not being stopped, just made annoying.
 
krypt0nian said:
Exactly.

Plus, since you can already load video files and browse non-Flash porn sites, porn is not being stopped, just made annoying.

I couldn't be more against restricting content based on taste, but it's not unreasonable for Apple to veto sexually explicit apps in its own store. The cultural impetus is obvious, though regrettable. I don't like it - I'd rather they 'thought different' and spearheaded a change toward personal consumer responsibility - but I understand it. Apple still seems to be good with 'adult' social networking services (Grinder is still up isn't it?), but draws the line at softcore porn. Fair enough. That said, how many apps with 'controversial content' are being rejected, and for what reasons? If it extends beyond a simple and clear cut ban on the depiction of genitals and gets philosophical I'll be extremely disappointed.

As a separate point, I was pretty disgusted by Jobs' 'freedom from porn' quote in this email exchange. Internet porn doesn't force itself down anyone's throat (lol) outside of the odd bit of spam email. Don't like porn? No problem - it won't click on itself. If Jobs likes like freedom, he should let people be themselves. Create an 'adult' category in the app store that can be disabled, or needs to be purposefully enabled. Don't curb free expression because it doesn't suit your tastes; especially if you're going to make out you're doing it as a favour to others. His choice of words make his actions appear woefully hypocritical.
 
SnowWolf said:
Steve Jobs with his version of ""And your contribution to society is...what?"


From a Gawker email conversation Steve http://gawker.com/5539717/steve-jobs-offers-world-freedom-from-porn


Ryan Tate sounded like a total idiot, cursing, dropping names that he knew he shouldn't and bringing in his wife and porn. I'd have to side with Jobs on this because Tate really came off like a douche.

All of this tantrum over the Apple iPad ad? What Tate should have done was mocked the ad on gizmodo and be done with it.
 
Aske said:
I couldn't be more against restricting content based on taste, but it's not unreasonable for Apple to veto sexually explicit apps in its own store. The cultural impetus is obvious, though regrettable. I don't like it - I'd rather they 'thought different' and spearheaded a change toward personal consumer responsibility - but I understand it. Apple still seems to be good with 'adult' social networking services (Grinder is still up isn't it?), but draws the line at softcore porn. Fair enough. That said, how many apps with 'controversial content' are being rejected, and for what reasons? If it extends beyond a simple and clear cut ban on the depiction of genitals and gets philosophical I'll be extremely disappointed.


Hehe I just used Grindr as an exaplme to a friend who was all Chicken Little with Apple's store policies, worried that they would be censoring any mainstream gay literature content in their iBook store. (he's a writer of gay lit, with several books on the Amazon store)
 
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Reading comics has quickly become one of the more popular uses for the iPad. The dimensions of the device lends itself well to that purpose (the 4:3 length-to-width ratio was chosen with reading in mind) although the iPad's screen is slightly smaller than the typical American comic book, much smaller than the telephone-book sized manga magazines and doesn't particularly fit any of the 'art comics' which range in size from the minute 'minicomics' to the towering In the Shadow of No Towers.

Early rumors that iBooks would host comics for sale were disappointingly off the mark, and other apps have sought to fill that vacuum. One such app is Marvel Comics which offers an innovative panel-to-panel transition and an official legal conduit for some of its eponym's large library of content. This vehicle for comics might hit a dead-end though as Apple is restricting which comics will be allowed on their store.

Another path to putting comics on the iPad is loading up cbr files (i.e. Comic Book Reader file format) from a computer and reading them with one of the myriad apps available on the AppStore. The cbr file format is infamous for being the preferred choice of pirates but some comic publishers are now offering samples in that format. Due to the portability of the format it might become the standard for digital comics.

It's early days for the iPad AppStore but its growth rate is showing no signs of abating. At the time of writing I was able to find 5 Comic Book apps optimized for the iPad that will accept user supplied cbz files. Many more abound for the iPhone, and may be run in compatibility mode, but the reading experience is nothing to write home about. The five chosen for review are ARCreader (v1.1), Bookman (v1.1), Cloudreaders (v1.05), Comic Zeal Comic Reader 4 (v4.0.8.) and Comic Reader Mobi (v2.2).

Bookman (free) may immediately be dismissed from consideration. Its comic reading abilities weren't present when the app debuted in the store and its clear that the later added features were an afterthought. The app stretches and distorts pages, preventing proper perusing. It was the only app tested that displayed pages out of order. One unique feature Bookman can boast of is a full-screen page preview display (previously seen in desktop apps like SimpleComic). With such a horrible starting point it's debatable the developer knows what comicbook nerds expect from a reader app. Don't bother installing.

ARCreader (free) is the newest of the bunch and shows some promise. The user interface is functional, if not pretty. It loads up the comic properly and displays it sequentially in proper dimensions. Unfortunately it's still a little buggy; the page preview scroller wasn't working properly. And it's light on features: there is no manga reading mode, no brightness controls and zooming is somewhat limited. It's a decent start though and worth downloading with an eye towards future updates.

Cloudreaders (free), ComicZeal 4 ($8) and ComicReader Mobi ($10; universal; unavailable) are the most sophisticated apps in our selection. Both ComicZeal and ComicReader Mobi have a long history on the AppStore having been available for the iPhone for over a year. Cloudreaders launched in the first week of the iPad's release. All three apps support the basic features of a good manga reader: opens zip, cbz, rar, cbr and pdf files and remembers where the reader left off; resizes pages to full screen with an appropriate (black) border when necessary; responsive and fast page controls; allows zooming; and accommodates the particular demands of manga as differing from American comics. While they each offer a particular trump card what differentiates one from the others is how it performs the tasks. Comiczeal is the prettiest, Comicreader mobi is more functional than the others yet Cloudreaders is the most integrated into the iPad's ecosystem.

Cloudreaders indicates its debut on the iPad with some platform specific features. Only Cloudreaders registers file compatibility with the OS and thus works with the "Open with..." command from any app. Cloudreaders also takes advantage of the iPad's power to proces and cache many pages in advance, enabling smooth transition, while Comiczeal and Comicreader mobi restrain themselves to limits learned on the iPhone. And Cloudreader alone includes an in-app brightness control feature, mimicking Apple's iBooks. However Cloudreader can be too focused on the iPad; whereas both Comiczeal and Comicreader mobi choose to immediately return the reader to the last screen viewed (or page, as it often is) when opening the app--a feature expected on the iPhone, where any reading session can suddenly be interrupted by a call--Cloudreaders directs the reader to the library before s/he can access the bookmarked comic.

One feature that's not easily captured by screenshots is the page turning UI. After flipping through 9 pages, or over 9 thousand, it quickly becomes apparent that this is the most important design decision affecting the user. In all the comic reader apps, the various interface layers eventually melt away, leaving only the content visible, and the user may read for hours without so much as seeing a button if s/he chooses not to. Simply transplanting a page turning paradigm developed for the iPhone isn't the answer--as the GoodReader developer found out to his surprise. So far the question has boiled down to: Tap or Slide?

'Tap to turn' pages is the default option; it's easier to implement and such an obvious action as to seemingly be beyond criticism. Tapping on the iPad though is different experience to tapping on the iPhone. On the smaller device the finger is unlikely to miss the 'tap zone', but on the big
ger screen that is a distinct possibility. Optional arrows may be displayed to visibly indicate the tap zones but they prove to be distracting when reading. Tapping on the iPad is also a two hand operation--a problem for anybody who likes to keep one hand busy while reading manga. While one hand may be positioned to tap for one particular zone, the same hand is unable to reach the other tap zone without some adjustment. Inevitably the other hand will have to stop its, er, vigorous motion, to help hold the iPad or turn the page.

'Slide to turn', the other option is often used alternately with 'Tap to turn'. Scroll/Swipe/Flip/Flick may also be advocated in place of 'Slide', depending on the app. The flipping metaphor, beautifully implemented by iBooks with few successful imitators, will be difficult to recreate for the comic readers app if only because each page edge is unique in a way that iBooks' page edge is not (and considering the challenges of the joined pages spreads, it might well be impossible). In lieu of a simulated page curl, the manga reader apps offer an animation of the pages sliding in and out of view. Sliding can be initiated at any point on the screen; a simple flick is often enough to move to the next page. Moreover that means a flick in the opposite direction, performed on the same spot, will be recognized as the reverse page turning request, thus allowing the iPad to be operated with one hand. Unfortunately the sliding implementation in Comiczeal is jerky and disorienting. It's much better in Comicreader mobi which even offers a sneak peek of what's coming next if you tug the page a little and let it fall back in place. Comicreader mobi doesn't cache the previous page though and sliding to that will give a load screen not a smooth animation. Cloudreaders will slide backwards and forwards as is the most appealing of the set.

Close in consideration to page swiping is orientation switching: should the manga be read in portrait or landscape? To see the most detail of each page, without zooming, ideally you'd want to read the single pages in portrait and the joined pages spread in landscape. Incidentally 'Zoom', such a critical feature for the iPhone apps--and a competitive advantage for Comicreader mobi's implementation on that device, isn't as important on the iPad's much larger screen. Comicreader mobi still offers some compelling features: using its 'Best Fit' option it'll automatically switch from portrait for single pages to landscape for the joined pages and then back again. Comiczeal squeezes the joined pages spread into the portrait view (assuming that, before turning, the previous page wasn't zoomed in) prompting the reader to manually rotate the iPad to landscape. Cloudreaders is the odd one out with little visual indication when encountering a joined pages spread in portrait orientation (which compounds a slightly irritating glitch in Cloudreaders--the page borders aren't completely blacked out). Cloudreaders requires the most effort of the reader, requiring s/he to recognize the joined pages and then also rotate without prompting. Cloudreaders does make one redeeming display decision; it takes advantage of the iPad's large screen to display two single pages in landscape view (another indication that Cloudreaders is solely focused on the iPad unlike the Comiczeal and Comicreader mobi which continue to offer the same single page that can comfortably fit into the iPhone's screen). However the feature is not without its problems: in landscape the cloudreaders 'slide to turn' is not as smooth as it could be and it still navigates page by page instead of leaf by leaf.

As this review is specifically about manga reader apps I would be remiss if I didn't offer some words on the 'manga modes' of the apps. Newcomers to manga are often first struck by the left-to-right progression of pages (besides the beautiful covers, that is). 'Manga mode' for comic reader apps means that they recognize this difference from Western comics by loading each new page at the upper right corner and flipping the controls so the user taps left when intending to move to the next page. Cloudreaders offers one easily accessible 'manga mode' control that encompasses both features. Comicreader mobi splits up the options but they are still somewhat easy to find in the settings if you know what you're looking for. Comiczeal fails in this regard, only offering an option to start at the right side on page turn--and that option is hidden in the Settings app, far from the comic. The developer promises a "proper manga mode" will be coming in a future version.

If you're weary already of this review you might be wondering if a manga reader app is even necessary. After all you could simply load the images into iPhoto and be done with that. I'll argue that the conveniences offered by the dedicated apps reflect the ethos of the iPad itself: simple and focused. I found the Comicreader mobi app provided the best experience, although I had to first invest some time configuring it to my preferences. Once I was absorbed into the reading the manga, the app offered no distractions: flick, flick, tilt (to see a joined page spread), tap... were the only actions required on my end. With that in mind, it's a shame that Comicreader mobi is no longer available on the AppStore. If you were lucky enough to buy it for an iPhone/iPod Touch before you got an iPad then you'll be happy to know that same app works on all three devices. Take care not to delete the backup on your computer. Meanwhile, there is some hope that Cloudreaders and Comiczeal will reach feature parity soon. Cloudreaders is not a bad substitute by any means and it's free to boot! You might want to try reading comics in landscape as that's its greatest strength. Comiczeal is the most polished of all the apps on offer--it's frustrating that the sheen of the graphics doesn't extent to the core mechanics. There is some talent behind it so don't count it out yet.

Despite Apple's shenanigans, the future of reading manga on the iPad looks bright. I've never read so much, in so little time, as I've been able to with these apps. It's been a much more pleasurable experience than reading comics on an unergonomic desktop or cramped iPhone. You should join the fun.
 
An idiosyncratic review of some manga reader apps. The comic, One Piece 583, was downloaded through Safari then copied to the various apps' documents folder, using iFile, on a jailbroken iPad, as that's my typical process. All apps adjusted to my preferred settings.

NB: ahh tinypic messed up already. You can still click on any image for a full sized version hosted at imgur

ARCreader (free)


Library (NB: Have to 'import' the file first)


Settings (NB: none)
...

UI Overlay (NB: The page preview at the bottom didn't work)


Reading in Portrait: Single Page, Two Joined Pages Spread


Reading in Landscape: Single Page, Two Joined Pages Spread


Zooming (NB: limited zoom)



Bookman (free)


Library (NB: Can't delete, rearrange or search)


Settings (NB: none)
...

UI Overlay (NB: only a page preview view; pages out of order)


Reading in Portrait: Single Page, Two Joined Pages Spread


Reading in Landscape: Single Page(s), Two Joined Pages Spread (NB: doesn't recognize the joined spread as two pages)


Zoom (NB: none)
...


CloudReaders


Library


Settings (NB: integrated into the UI Overlay)
see below

UI Overlay


Reading in Portrait: Single Page, Two Joined Pages Spread (NB: splits the spread)


Reading in Landscape: Single Page(s), Two Joined Pages Spread


Zoom (NB: unlimited)



Comic Zeal 4 ($8)


Library (NB: Have to 'import' the file first; Library is integrated into the UI Overlay)


Settings (NB: some options integrated into the UI Overlay)


UI Overlay


Reading in Portrait: Single Page, Two Joined Pages Spread (NB: If zoomed in, even at the slightest, before turning to the page to a spread, the spread will be loaded differently)


Reading in Landscape: Single Page, Two Joined Pages Spread (NB: If zoomed in, even at the slightest, before turning to the page to a spread, the spread will be loaded differently)


Zoom (NB: unlimited)



Comic Reader Mobi ($10, universal) no longer available in AppStore


Library (NB: can organize series into folders, on jailbroken iPads, with a file browser)


Settings (NB: some options integrated into the UI Overlay)


UI Overlay (NB: option to 'load next file' only pops up at end of comic)


Reading in Portrait: Single Page, Two Joined Pages Spread (NB: with the 'Best Fit' option, Portrait and Landscape are the same)


Reading in Landscape: Single Page, Two Joined Pages Spread (NB: with the 'Best Fit' option, Portrait and Landscape are the same)
see above

Zoom (NB: discrete levels--limited, option for regular pinch zoom available)



Addendum
iCab ($2, universal)


Downloaders ($4, universal)
 
I downloaded CloudReader just because it was free. It is pretty bare bones as far as features, but it does get the job done. And you cant argue with the price.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
I downloaded CloudReader just because it was free. It is pretty bare bones as far as features, but it does get the job done. And you cant argue with the price.


Yeah I feel the same. Put a lot of my comics on it, the app handles cbz files very well.

Great post Charred Greyface, I'm not going to quote it but I will save it. Maybe a link should be added in the OP.
 
^^^
That's a dry run for an app review blog I want to create. Love to get GAF's feedback on that.

f@luS said:
Could anyone post the wallpaper looking like the bookshelf from ibook? Thx
It's here

And someone asked about the bluetooth thumb keyboard? I was referring to the DiNovo Mini

PhoncipleBone said:
I downloaded CloudReader just because it was free. It is pretty bare bones as far as features, but it does get the job done. And you cant argue with the price
neojubei said:
Yeah I feel the same. Put a lot of my comics on it, the app handles cbz files very well.
Yep, if Comic Reader Mobi wasn't a universal app (meaning it was free for me to use on the iPad) I might be using Cloudreaders exclusively as well. I didn't highlight this in the review but you can use iCab mobile and/or Downloaders to download zips and cbzs from the web and read in Cloudreaders without bothering with syncing from a desktop--and you don't have to be jailbroken (you'll need Downloaders to rename 'cbz' to 'zip' though)
 
Hell of a write-up, Charred.

I didn’t get a chance to DL comic reader mobi before it got taken down. that said, I think I would still use comiczeal for one key feature: collections.

I can organize comics into collections either via the Mac comiczeal sync app or directly on the ipad app itself. it’s relatively easy and essential for me to cut down on scrolling through my lists.

it’s lacking the loupe feature from mobi but I find myself capable of reading everything unzoomed anyway so magnification is left only for some extremely dense two page layouts, once in a blue moon.

there were definitely a lot of quirks and problems with comiczeal before the latest update but now I feel like it’s about as solid as one could expect.
 
LCfiner said:
Hell of a write-up, Charred.

I didn’t get a chance to DL comic reader mobi before it got taken down. that said, I think I would still use comiczeal for one key feature: collections.

I can organize comics into collections either via the Mac comiczeal sync app or directly on the ipad app itself. it’s relatively easy and essential for me to cut down on scrolling through my lists.

it’s lacking the loupe feature from mobi but I find myself capable of reading everything unzoomed anyway so magnification is left only for some extremely dense two page layouts, once in a blue moon.

there were definitely a lot of quirks and problems with comiczeal before the latest update but now I feel like it’s about as solid as one could expect.


I was pretty stingy about buying comiczeal but because of this, I am buying it right now.
 
LCfiner said:
Hell of a write-up, Charred.

I didn’t get a chance to DL comic reader mobi before it got taken down. that said, I think I would still use comiczeal for one key feature: collections.

I can organize comics into collections either via the Mac comiczeal sync app or directly on the ipad app itself. it’s relatively easy and essential for me to cut down on scrolling through my lists.

it’s lacking the loupe feature from mobi but I find myself capable of reading everything unzoomed anyway so magnification is left only for some extremely dense two page layouts, once in a blue moon.

there were definitely a lot of quirks and problems with comiczeal before the latest update but now I feel like it’s about as solid as one could expect.
numble said:
Charred, you should run an App review site. Probably wouldn't have to pay to review most apps either!

Thanks! I think i should add section headings and maybe embed some pictures in the text... And what should I review next? Twitter apps? There are finally some interesting ones debuting in the appstore (I'm thinking of ch@tter at the moment)

Comic reader Mobi also offered a desktop client that can sync collections but I don't think it was ever updated to work with the iPad. You can do it yourself though, if you jailbreak ;). But Comiczeal is clearly the more beautiful and functional app in that regard, I'll give it that. To be honest, I don't spend much time looking at my collections in any of the apps (Maybe when ComicBook Lover is finally released, I will). Because Comic reader mobi will return you the page you were reading before you quit, and can immediately load the next comic in line when you're done, I have gone hours without seeing the list of comics when reading a series or collection.
 
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