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The Dark Knight Rises (Batman 3) - No Riddler
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Mike Works
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God, I hope it's Portman. She would be perfect for that character no one knows absolutely anything about.
Ninja Scooter
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no more women in batman movies, please.
http://www.collider.com/2010/11/11/the-dark-knight-rises-imax-christopher-nolan/
Is Christopher Nolan Shooting THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Entirely in IMAX?
Is Christopher Nolan Shooting THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Entirely in IMAX?
deadmuffin
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Dead said:
because it's funny
Nappuccino
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Dan said:
They can adjust the aspect ratio after filming. Lots of directors have shot on what is essentially 4:3 film with the shots framed with the intent to crop them down to size. I would be very surprised if Nolan would keep the entire movie at 4:3 (or whatever the square-ish ratio is.)
TekkenMaster
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The problem with Talia Al Ghul is that there are probably a ton of people who only saw The Dark Knight, who wouldn't understand the backstory from Begins.
So Nolan would have to explain everything all over again (re. League of Shadows, etc).
So Nolan would have to explain everything all over again (re. League of Shadows, etc).
Nappuccino
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TekkenMaster said:
I think Nolan respects his viewers' more that to assume that.
badcrumble said:
It's kind of dumb not to. In this version of Batman, it played a major role in his origin. Killing a bunch of ninjas and maybe* killing Ra's al Ghul would not eliminate such an ancient and powerful organization unless every word Ra's said about the League in BB was a lie. It would throw it into disarray, and create quite a bit of bad blood with the one responsible, but with what they can finance and arrange behind the scenes in BB, plus their knowledge of his identity, they'd be able to after Wayne hard.
* Not that I see them using the fantastical elements of the al Ghuls / League of [Assassins] or anything, but Liam Neeson certainly did play a character that is, shall we say, hard to kill. And per usual, Liam was awesome. Not saying the narrative would even require a Lazarus Pit...leaving someone for dead and seeing something crash and explode is never a for-sure character death, especially not in the realm of comics.
I'm so, so late to this thread but has anyone considered Deacon Blackfire as a possible antagonist? The creepy cult stuff can be brought over well, I think. The only other ones I can think of are Black Mask and Hush who have been suggested already.
Ah, cool.badcrumble said:
badcrumble
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Oh I agree that it was well done in Batman Begins, and that it'd be quite reasonable with in-universe logic that they wouldn't be suddenly dead and gone after the events of Batman Begins - I just think it'd be phenomenally hard to handle them without making it seriously feel like a retread of Batman Begins. Better, I feel, to bring in other characters who can also fit into the role of the morally ambiguous and/or evil vigilante, like Catwoman or Deadshot. The Dark Knight had that whole weird and sort of sloppy treatment of the Sons of Batman (or whatever they called themselves in the film) that disappeared after the film's first act - I think bringing in some other costumed vigilantes would be a good way to continue the theme of escalation while also being a good foil with which Batman could redeem himself.JayDubya said:
Hydrogen Bluebird
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Talia Al Ghul please. Nice way to tie the this movie with BB.
Interesting. Per the novelization, the wreckage was cleaned up but "Ducard's" body was never found.
I've really liked that character since watching the FOX cartoon as a kid, and I loved the implementation in BB. I didn't know how they could possibly top BB, to be honest, and then Joker was just so fuck awesome...
Honestly, it would make more sense narratively to continue that character, but since that's a no go based on circumstance... for a sense of trilogy and tying things together, if not Joker, than Talia / League / possibly Ra's sounds solid.
Whatever he does will probably be great. At this point one has a hardtime naysaying anything Nolan et. al. could dream up.
I've really liked that character since watching the FOX cartoon as a kid, and I loved the implementation in BB. I didn't know how they could possibly top BB, to be honest, and then Joker was just so fuck awesome...
Honestly, it would make more sense narratively to continue that character, but since that's a no go based on circumstance... for a sense of trilogy and tying things together, if not Joker, than Talia / League / possibly Ra's sounds solid.
Whatever he does will probably be great. At this point one has a hardtime naysaying anything Nolan et. al. could dream up.
Solo said:
That would be clumsy, though.
If you're going to have an open-ended but believable death scene, it doesn't much make sense to plainly show a lack of death.
Leaving it open-ended also sets you up for the theoretical "we want Liam back but he doesn't want to come back / wants too much money / etc."
JayDubya said:
Nolan is all about "realism" (LOL) in his movies. Ducard fell several stories inside a crashing train which then exploded. Dead.
Now, that doesn't mean Rhas can't be in Batman 3 - "but are his methods supernatural?" "or just cheap parlor tricks to cover who you really are" - but Ducard/Neeson can't. Rhas is just a persona though, so there could easily be a new Rhas in this one, and this Rhas' daughter could be Talia.
badcrumble
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Given the casting talk that's going on right now, I'm thinking that if Liam Neeson were coming back we'd probably have already heard about it, since they would need to get it into his reasonably busy schedule.
Platy said:I vote for that Hush dude !
edit : and here is an awesome image of him ... just because
That image is awesome. It would be cool to see them do a marketing campaign where the promo posters and art is all done comic book style like that picture. Just a wish.
Also don't want to speculate on too much of the plot cause it only sets up disappointment, but why or how would actresses who are already in other comic book movies (both DC and Marvel) work? Why even bother auditioning them?
Solo said:
It's more ambiguous than all that. Didn't see him die, Bruce escaped the same predicament, no body.
Dead or presumed dead with no contraindication (which is narratively equivalent) if they don't want Liam back / can't get him / have no plans for him. Easily not dead with minimal suspension of disbelief if they do / can.
PhoncipleBone
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Put me into the NOT Hush camp. Just a lame villain created for a story to give Jim Lee an excuse to draw nearly the entire Batman rogues gallery. The art was awesome, and I liked a lot of things in the story, but the character Hush himself was just poorly done.
Thalia would be an interesting choice for a villain, more so than Catwoman. And it would be cool if someone else took over as Ras in the sequel. Perhaps that is Hardy's part? Or just give me David Warner. Sure, he is old as hell now, but his voice in the cartoon was just perfect. Would love for a live action movie of him just walking out to Batman and saying "Detective!"
By flying out the back of the train before it flew off the rails and exploded.
Thalia would be an interesting choice for a villain, more so than Catwoman. And it would be cool if someone else took over as Ras in the sequel. Perhaps that is Hardy's part? Or just give me David Warner. Sure, he is old as hell now, but his voice in the cartoon was just perfect. Would love for a live action movie of him just walking out to Batman and saying "Detective!"
JayDubya said:
By flying out the back of the train before it flew off the rails and exploded.
Baron Aloha
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Amir0x said:
Yes.
Funky Papa
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I like how we're all on the same page.Amir0x said:
JayDubya said:
Its no more ambiguous than Harvey dying, which wasn't ambiguous at all, and yet a lot of GAF still made it out to be, even after being presented with the screenplay which clearly says "dead" :lol
Also, Bruce had wings to fly the fuck outta there, and all Ducard was left with was his dick in his hand.
We had this discussion before, I think, but personally, I didn't get that Dent was more than unconscious / injured on the first watch. Obviously, if the writer / director say he's dead, he's dead.
Hell, with those burns running around outside would get him killed from infection just fine... which surmises that someone even could run around outside that soon after burns like that and speak coherently and shoot people. :lol
Hell, with those burns running around outside would get him killed from infection just fine... which surmises that someone even could run around outside that soon after burns like that and speak coherently and shoot people. :lol
PhoncipleBone
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So what was going on at the end of Dark Knight then? It sure looked like Gordon was giving a eulogy for Dent.JayDubya said:
TekkenMaster
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Am I the only one who thinks Nolan et al might surprise us all and give us Harley Quinn or maybe even Poison Ivy an an eco-terrorist?
badcrumble
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He said 'on first watch' - I presume he means that he thought Dent was unconscious up until the funeral scene. I think the scene was shot in such a way that there's no definitive conclusion that he's dead until you see the funeral, which makes it very clear.PhoncipleBone said:
DonasaurusRex
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maybe black mask is a good one for the final movie he encompasses that mob figure villain that preys on the weak to make his living thru fear and intimidation. I guess thats been done in BB though. I dont know how you one, top the first two movies villains and , two pick another theme for the third in the first it was organized crime and preying on fear, the second was chaos how do you stop someone that just wants to see it all burn. The first two developed these themes very well, wonder where they'll go for the final one now that Batman is villain in the eyes of the public.
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