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The definition of "last generation"
- Thread starter LonelyGreyWolf
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when will it come out?
Next-gen, because it clearly comes out in a timeframe that suggests this current gen is finished/finishing.
I feel like some people are insecure about Nintendo being shown in a positive light. Wii U next-gen while my XStation3900 is only current-gen? Oh hell no, time to rewrite the definition of generation!
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It's not as sensationalized as today though. Back then it felt more like juvenile "BLAST PROCESSING" shit...
...then again it could still be juvenile only more mainstream. Yeah, you're right.
lol.no they will be named current gen and their succesors current gens.
you really think not showing anything that differers from current gen othat the consumer will believe it?
because on consoles no-one will make next-gen games products untill their successors get released! its simple.
and if ms decides to just re-brand the current 360 and just add a bluray drive it wont be next gen for example.....
Agreed.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
I updated the OP to clarify for you!
Lol, don't be embarrassed buddy. Every philosophical question is a good question.
so if ms/sony extend the lifetime of their current consoles and the wiiu get delayed,then magically it will be current gen??????!111
it doesnt show anything next gen so its dependent on others to make the timeframes........
ooya is pre-2005 tech with their marketing niches(open android etc)
not a next gen console.
(and no im not technologically insecure lol. i just don't like bullshiting)
no. See, new consoles make new generations. It's the only way to define the jump. The Snes has been discountinued in 2000, does that mean the PSX/N64 were last gen?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
erm what?
no and the ps2 is last gen.
honest question:
if sony rebrands the ps2 and sells it on january1 2013 as a ps4 with a different controller/box,what gen will it be?
The hardware point of view makes no sense at all, people just see what they want to see. XBOX would be its own generation viewed in that light, launched 5 years before Wii but having a more 'modern' architecture. PS2 would be a generation behind NGC. PS1 a generation behind N64. Let's not revise history.
Terbinator
Member
So the OP's edit leaves no room for discussion, really.
Are you... are you for real? Hypothetical situations only go so far and you're creating such irrelevant ones I am starting to wonder of you're a chat program, or just throwing down every 168th word from your favorite book to create sentences.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Wait... people think Wii U is a rebranded Wii?!
ok then,thanks for your answer and tonight ill make a special prayer and thank god that earths technology and innovation isn't at the hands of nintendo fanboys.
enjoy old gen games like assasins creed 3 and batman arkham city on your fresh next gen console....
no,it just uses current gen technology on a product marketed as next-gen.
So for argument sake lets assume hypothetically the WiiU was identical to Wii in power but has a tablet controller instead of a motion controller. Now assuming the WiiU is released after the Wii would WiiU still be considered next gen? If snes was released after n64 would snes be considered next gen. IMO it is important to consider the power of the console ( compared to the competition as well as the time of launch ) to come to a conclusion on whether a given product should be labeled as next gen.
so this was your whole point, going all out and offending Nintendo fans? Ooook.
not how I see it. Horsepower has nothing to do with how I (and I assume most) define a next gen console
its not only the date.
i can make a next gen console on my garage with 70s tech according to some ppl!!!!
as long its released next year.
no but feel free to contact a moderator if you only like listening to marketing and pr.
SappYoda
Member
Since bit counting became stupid at 128, since the number of bits the processor had didn't really matter for the system to be more powerful, they started using the term "generation".
But once again since next generations consoles are not directly more powerful than the predecessor, Ouya being the clear example, marketing teams might start dropping the term.
But once again since next generations consoles are not directly more powerful than the predecessor, Ouya being the clear example, marketing teams might start dropping the term.
All products competing against one another are in the same generation. The label has absolutely no use in any way, unless you are trying to refer to a set of consoles existing within a certain timeframe.
It's really like the easiest thing in the world.
Past - current - next
These words clearly all refer to time.
As stupid as this argument is, I feel compelled to chime in. The issue comes from using "next gen", "current gen", "last gen". There can be no argument made as to whether or not the Wii U is a part of the 8th generation of consoles. If you have one, I will be glad to hear it so that I may laugh at you. Now, for the bullshit hypothetical to prove my point.
Say Nintendo releases the Wii U this year, and people insist it is part of the same gen as X360/PS3, therefor a 7th gen console. In 2018, Nintendo releases another home console of identical power, choosing interface innovation over horsepower. Then, in 2023, Nintendo decides to release another console of the same graphical power, expanding on the ideas of their 2018 console. Does Nintendo now have 3 7th generation consoles? 4 counting the Wii? Is Nintendo releasing a 7th generation console in 2023 while the other companies are halfway into the life cycle of their 9th gen consoles? No. No they are not. That's stupid.
Edit: Also, I think for some reason the fact that the Wii U has a touch screen controller is being completely lost on some people. If you MUST use hardware to define generations, please take into consideration that controllers are also hardware.
Say Nintendo releases the Wii U this year, and people insist it is part of the same gen as X360/PS3, therefor a 7th gen console. In 2018, Nintendo releases another home console of identical power, choosing interface innovation over horsepower. Then, in 2023, Nintendo decides to release another console of the same graphical power, expanding on the ideas of their 2018 console. Does Nintendo now have 3 7th generation consoles? 4 counting the Wii? Is Nintendo releasing a 7th generation console in 2023 while the other companies are halfway into the life cycle of their 9th gen consoles? No. No they are not. That's stupid.
Edit: Also, I think for some reason the fact that the Wii U has a touch screen controller is being completely lost on some people. If you MUST use hardware to define generations, please take into consideration that controllers are also hardware.
Surely 'next gen' just refers to the forthcoming consoles - regardless of supposed power? Nobody referred to the Wii as last gen despite it being technically inferior to the other consoles.
The Wii U is Nintendo's next gen machine (soon to be current gen). It will be sold alongside Sony and Microsoft's next gen machines. You would assume that this would be criteria enough to use a generalised 'next gen' label to describe all three.
The Wii U is Nintendo's next gen machine (soon to be current gen). It will be sold alongside Sony and Microsoft's next gen machines. You would assume that this would be criteria enough to use a generalised 'next gen' label to describe all three.
Lada sells cars today that are technologically from the soviet-era.new releases but with old tech.
in the car industry no-one refers them as current!
definetly not car-reviewers and buyers.
so thank god some posters dont do car reviews then......................
But if hypothetically Iphone 3g were released only now after the original Iphone at best you could call it a next generation iphone and not a next generation phone given what the competition is making. Making an iteration of your original product may be next generation for you but not necessarily next gen in the overall scheme of things when comparing other products in the market.
Next means the NEXT ONE. It is not a measure of quality. There is no reason to take the term "next generation" and use it to mean "not Nintendo".
Of course adding a bluray drive wouldn't make it a new generation. That's an utterly ridiculous argument. PSP GO was still a PSP, despite some radical changes.
Using "next generation" to mean anything other than "the next console cycle" means you are drinking marketing cool-aid.
Weltall Zero
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There's always a period of confusion and "next gen" -> "you mean current-gen" and "current-gen" -> "you mean last gen" whenever transitioning between generations. This happens even when all consoles of the "next generation" have already been released, as most people (including myself) take a while to "shift gears" and recatalog all consoles accordingly in their minds.
grimshawish
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They will a bit yes, but not entirely until all three consoles move on.
The degree to which WiiU affects the last gen market will affect perceptions as well.
The degree to which WiiU affects the last gen market will affect perceptions as well.
but comparing similar products doesn't define what a next gen is. New products do, whether they feature old tech or not. The Wii is current gen, and we see a lot of reviews saying "graphics are abysmal compared to 360/ps3". yet it's still a current gen console, but with old tech. It was Nintendo decision to enter the new gen of consoles with that limited horsepower
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Technically they should. If Wii U wasn't just bringing Nintendo hardware up to current standards, there would be no question about it. But yeah, Wii U is a next gen console so every PS3 and Xbox 360 game released next year will belong to the previous generation.
No, because it doesn't make much sense to lump home consoles and handhelds together.
Too early to tell. They might, they might not.
tkscz
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Wow, this is so much wrong. Generation is AND CAN ONLY BE a measurement of time, not of hardware. When the Wii-U releases it WILL BE APART OF GENERATION 8. No matter what it's hardware is. So yes, that includes Ooya because it's released in Generation 8. Sick of this shit.
Your argument is technology based. Most consoles are virtually out of date from a technological point of view before they even launch. Those that aren't are soon superseded. Consoles by their nature a fairly stagnant systems and so it has always made sense to describe them in terms of generational cycles.
If rumours are to be believed, the PS4 and Durango will not be even close to bleeding edge either, so what right do they claim to be next gen other than being the next iteration of their product line?
ok you conviced me.
ill go get some 100Mhz pentium cpus and 3dfx voodo cards,put them on a shiny new box and sell them as next gen consoles next year.
done.
(im sick of ppl that dislike technology moving forward)
UncleSporky
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Would it? I thought handhelds were typically one gen behind, though things are starting to get a little staggered.
GB/GBC in the SNES era with NES power
GBA in the 64 era with SNES power
DS in the GC/Wii era with 64 power
3DS in the Wii/Wii U era with GC power
Unless you're saying the 3DS is only as powerful as a PSP?
SniperHunter
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When the system is discontinued, heavily discounted, it has no AAA games on the horizon and is replaced by a new console.
Bony Manifesto
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But how do you determine where the seventh generation ends and the eighth generation begins?
REMEMBER CITADEL
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You do that. Nobody will buy them, but if they establish a new format (i.e. they don't just run already available games), they will be next gen consoles.
tkscz
Member
If the Wii-U has newer hardware and more RAM than current gen, how is it just meeting this gen standards?
This is correct. Handheld generations are separate from consoles due to handhelds having faster releases. The 3DS and Vita are in the 8th generation of handhelds and should not be included in the console's generations.
When a console is released after a previous console generation. Nintendo made the Wii AFTER the Gamecube, so the Wii is generation 7, regardless of being underpowered. The DreamCast was released AFTER the Saturn, regardless of being extremely early and underpowered. The WiiU is the start of generation 8. It's the successor to the Wii.
When it comes to new comers, it depends on how many years it's been sense the other companies released a console. IE when Sony first released the playstation, or Microsoft first released the Xbox.
It's easy.
Generation is not only time frame or next number console but it is also connected with power of hardware and what this will improve.
If someone says next generation it doesn't mean that it will be only next console but also it will deliver something new and will be overall vastly better than current generation.
You don't call next phone with 100mhz more new generation, you don't call new lcd with 2ms less response time.
Till Wii release it was rather easy to fallow because all consoles improved with each generation. When Wii was released line got blurred.
Is Wii U next generation of Nintendo consoles ? Yes
Is Wii U next generation of overall consoles ? No, it is not. It's just last console from current gen same as Wii was last console from PS2 era. It's just nintendo released 2 consoles from PS2 era.
And don't get me started with this consoles generation and other generations are different. No they are not different. Next generation therm was created from humans. Middle aged and older people called younger people new generation because they weren't only younger but also they were vasty different to them, more educated, modern, with better understanding of world, better than them. They didn't call 5 year younger people next generation. It was something mayor.
Calling new console which will have same games as current generation next-gen is stupid.
If Sony and MS will have same hardware as Wii then Wii U will be next gen but if they will be faster whole industry will fallow MS and Sony and Wii U will be left with ports of PS3/x360 games meaning last gen.
Generation is not only time frame or next number console but it is also connected with power of hardware and what this will improve.
If someone says next generation it doesn't mean that it will be only next console but also it will deliver something new and will be overall vastly better than current generation.
You don't call next phone with 100mhz more new generation, you don't call new lcd with 2ms less response time.
Till Wii release it was rather easy to fallow because all consoles improved with each generation. When Wii was released line got blurred.
Is Wii U next generation of Nintendo consoles ? Yes
Is Wii U next generation of overall consoles ? No, it is not. It's just last console from current gen same as Wii was last console from PS2 era. It's just nintendo released 2 consoles from PS2 era.
And don't get me started with this consoles generation and other generations are different. No they are not different. Next generation therm was created from humans. Middle aged and older people called younger people new generation because they weren't only younger but also they were vasty different to them, more educated, modern, with better understanding of world, better than them. They didn't call 5 year younger people next generation. It was something mayor.
Calling new console which will have same games as current generation next-gen is stupid.
If Sony and MS will have same hardware as Wii then Wii U will be next gen but if they will be faster whole industry will fallow MS and Sony and Wii U will be left with ports of PS3/x360 games meaning last gen.
I can't tell if you are being serious or just being intentionally dim for the sake of trolling. Some of the hyperbole here is just ridiculous. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean Wii U is not next gen hardware.
Above = Hardware
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Heh I know the answer I just knew the thread will be filled with a bunch of people who dont use their brains.
ElRenoRaven
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DING DING DING DING DING. We have a winner. I'll love my WII U but it will never be a next gen console. Ye s it will be the next gen Nintendo console though.
......who is that again?
I can't tell if you are being serious or just being intentionally dim for the sake of trolling. Some of the hyperbole here is just ridiculous. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean Wii U is not next gen hardware.
Above = Hardware
I can't tell if you are being serious or just being intentionally dim for the sake of trolling. Some of the hyperbole here is just ridiculous. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean Wii U is not current gen hardware.
below = hardware
- each company has different pack-ins and marketing. nintendo just sells the standard controller as accessory.others do the opposite.
nothing bad with that.
its all simple.
I can't tell if you are being serious or just being intentionally dim for the sake of trolling. Some of the hyperbole here is just ridiculous. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean Wii U is not next gen hardware.
Above = Hardware
Just because you like it, it doesn't mean it's next-gen.
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From everything we know, and especially everything we've seen, it's in the same ball park as current gen consoles. It's more advanced in some ways, even if that's not exactly showing yet, but I think saying that it just brings Nintendo's hardware up to current standards is more than a fair assessment.