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Opinion The discussion on ps5 recently makes me believe that Sony fans are not happy with PS5 GPU but they are not honest about.

Jtibh

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You do know that you are throwing this baseless accusation without any evidence?

what is wrong with these crazy boys? any word they don't like and they start foaming about some illuminati conspiracy from "discord", alternative accounts and stupid names?
You are right. Thats not the voost i know.

Gaf. We have a new voost.

I expect nothing but pure entertainment from your threads moving forward
 

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This looks so fucking beautiful. I don't care about a small difference in power if the less powerful console can produce this. It's insane.
I have to agree with you on this screenshot, it looks beautiful. Maybe to beautiful tho, everything I've seen from Ratchet & Clank has looked really good, but this particular screenshot looks a notch above! Did we get confirmation that this screen shot is "in game" aka gameplay? I just don't want to get over hyped.
 
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I would Like to thank those who provided honest opinion from there side as it made the discussion fruitful and made me understand their point of view. I may have judged you wrongly.

I hope those who approached the subject with ridicule (geordiemp, ethomaz )can open up their heart later on and maybe we get to know them better.
 

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I would Like to thank those who provided honest opinion from there side as it made the discussion fruitful and made me understand their point of view. I may have judged you wrongly.

I hope those who approached the subject with ridicule (geordiemp, ethomaz )can open up their heart later on and maybe we get to know them better.

 
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If you keep on ignoring and shifting away from PS5's obvious short comings for next generation for long enough and continually concentrate on the Series X people will end up believing the PS5 is just perfect when that couldn't be further from the truth.

I mean PS5 is getting away with not releasing any info about the console to the point we don't even have dimensions of the console, let alone what is actually under the hood, which is completely opposite of the Series X.

The fanboys and media simply haven't held Sony accountable for the lack of information, so there able to keep quite for as long as they can. Once the system gets a proper reveal, which will inevitable be rather disappointing product, they will have at least been able to keep it under wraps for long enough so that it seems that Series X is the one struggling with the lead up to release and not PS5.

The messaging and setting of the narrative of this launch period just hasn't been fairly presented and Sony/PS5 have benefited from it.
 

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I can't speak for all the Sony fans but as a Playstation fan I can tell you I'm not pretending that I'm not worried about the PS5 power. I really ain't.

All the technical mumbo jumbo bores me to death and the only thing I need to remind myself is the PS4 was a piece of shit tech from the very start and has produced some of the best and most impressive games of all time.

If devs could do this with the PS4 I can't see why they can't do even better with a console that on paper has x10 times the power of the PS4.
 
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I can't speak for all the Sony fans but as a Playstation fan I can tell you I'm not pretending that I'm not worried about the PS5 power. I really ain't.

All the technical mumbo jumbo bores me to death and the only thing I need to remind myself is the PS4 was a piece of shit tech from the very start and has produced some of the best and most impressive games of all time.

If devs could do this with the PS4 I can't see why they can't do even better with a console that on paper has x10 times the power of the PS4.


by some of the best and most impressive games of all time, you mean the standard 3rd person cinematic, autoplaying games they keep making for 15 years ? Fenomenal output
 

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off topic, but do you actually do Kayak and do you have any tips if someone wants to start it?





I'm fairly new to it myself. Depends on what you plan to do and where. I fish off a surf beach so use standard paddle kayak. A viking 400. Low centre of gravity and can punch through waves. Also means if get in a bit of trouble with wind rising a bit more stable.
Pedal kayaks have you sitting higher. But generally faster and easier to go long distances as leg powered.

Common sense and factor in cost of safety equipment before you buy. Most emergencies I hear about are from silly mistakes. Also learn to climb in if you fall out. If you can't then get equipment so you can like a small rope ladder. Or tie a loop in end of rope to stand in.

My first trip out I got in touch with locals off a forum. Got so much good advice with local knowledge. Quite often there are clubs or Facebook groups that can join as well.

Fishing from a kayak is fantastic. Even smaller fish tow you around. Really fun.

I love that I can drive to beach and paddle straight out and start fishing amongst boats which have had to travel from harbour and burn a bunch of fuel. Where as my only cost is a few lures.

This review of same model as mines explains most the basics.
 
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It’s so funny to see that picture posted now when we know it’s complete BS and the game, while pretty, is a far cry from that touched up still
The actual game looks better than this still IMO
 
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B1tch, we want the games!
We want the controller!
We want the UI.
We want the brand.
Next Gen doesn't start until Naughty Dog says so.

The gen starts when the consoles launch.

Is this "Next gen doesn't start until.." thing like the "Nuff Said" thing? They're both annoying. We want the brand? What?
 

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I will prefer a better GPU, sure, and more and faster memory and a 4 TB SSD and better raytracing than the 3090. I want all that, and more, because I love pushing the graphics as further as possible. And I'm not being sarcastic. It's true, I would prefer the option to pay double and have a more powerful version of the console. All that's true. But...

...do you know? I will buy the console and play the games and be super happy and enjoy the games and dream with the next Naughty Dog or Santa Monica exclusives, because even if I want more I can enjoy what I have if it fulfills me.

I hope your girl is the prettiest super model of the world or you are not being honest with you 😉
 
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😂😂😂😂😂 i can buy any console any pc all day long.
Fucking woman ran the cadi in the ground now im paying for her pathfinder

No bro. I dont choose based on financials.
I choose based on content.
I dont play on pc cuz i cant handle the frames man. Too fast. Main reason i dont play online .
I just like sp games and story based games.
As an old man i want to enjoy my experience and not patch the drywall every other week.
Would i be 20 years younger 100 percent i would only play on pc

Some people just don't understand. I might end up buying 3090 and not starting a single game on it as well, just like my current Radeon VII. Consoles are just more convenient.
 

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I am 100% fine with it, the games we've seen running on the console look amazing vs the more powerful one which we haven't seen anything running on other than Minecraft with RT running at 1080p and sub 60fps.

If anything I think xbox fans are starting to get upset that they haven't seen a single thing from MS first party that makes them feel they need to buy a new console.
 

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........... you are right. Probably I was little ticked when I kept seeing it and decided just to make my point. also good way to increase my activity point.
No one would argue that every xbox fan would prefer better games than what they got.....

That's the thing right? I would have loved the PS5 to have 13 or 14 TFlops, but that's not the case. On the other hand, there are leaks of the XSX of being $599, which is more than I would pay for a console, so, you know, that is the reality of the situation.

Would a bit higher resolution or slightly better ray tracing be nicer? Sure, of course. But what Sony has shown looks great and they have shown the receipts that their console can output awesome visuals.

In the end, we don't play numbers, we don't play spec sheets. If you have games that look like Horizon: Forbidden West and Demon's Souls, not to mention games that make use of the tech in Unreal Engine 5, then the box is strong enough.
 
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the : ''At only $700''

for the card alone, to play games that are designed for the console, for the whole lifetime of this card

Is actually the joke.

Many games are designed with PC in mind. Otherwise, there wouldn't be added rendering features like RTX, HBAO, Max LOD, better shadows, and higher res textures. Cranking it up to 4k/60FS is just icing on the cake.
 
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All I saw is most developers and even Nvidia are putting huge emphasis on I/O throughput & SSD speeds, you should be concerned over Xbox's significant slower SSD throughput compared to Nvidia and PS5's solutions.

As for its GPU, it's 16% less than Xbox Series X GPU which is very small in real-world terms, you better be concerned because games like Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart may not be done on XSX the same way as PS5.

Just look at Unreal 5 demo LOL!!




 
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Many games are designed with PC in mind. Otherwise, there wouldn't be added rendering features like RTX, HBAO, Max LOD, better shadows, and higher res textures. Cranking it up to 4k/60FS is just icing on the cake.
No multiplatform game is designed with pc in mind. They care about the console version and then the pc one. Those features actually prove that you play a console designed version with just some sauce. They are exactly the same games for every platform. Which is sad when you will have to pay 1500$ for 10TF designed games until the card is useless.

You would be surprised if they used to make games with high-end pc in mind. They would look insane and then every one of your posts here could make sense. They will neven do it though. That's why I prefer PS.

It's like paying to have F1 cars in the city streets. It's never gonna work as you think..
 
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So the xsx was designed to be 9 times faster than the Xbox 1 (12 x 4.5 = 52 cu, and double the clock rate... the series x is moot thou, because if Microsoft releases the Lockhart it is all for nothing... (40 cu, instead of 52 of the xsx)

BUT The ps5 is twice the speed of the ps4 pro (cpu and gpu) while the gpu is “smaller “ ...

but the ps5 is “more useful” because the ps4pro has been around for 3+ years, so I (assume and hope) that any ps4pro updated game will run at 60 FPS on a ps5)

nvidia tips people off because of bitcoin and the like mining...even if it is “useless” to do now... in any case pc games are optimized to runon GPU’s that cost half of a console... so the pcmr cards (500+) are a waste ... no new console will not be able to do 60fps...
 

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Sony "fans" are not happy when their console doesn't have the best of everything on paper. Same with xbox "fans", etc. Except Nintendo "fans", they don't care haha

I went on a mass ignore list add yesterday of all the 10-15 usual suspects that shit up every thread that has anything remotely positive towards anything not sony or negative towards sony, feels good man. I suggest you do the same.
 
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Jtibh

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Sony "fans" are not happy when their console doesn't have the best of everything on paper. Same with xbox "fans", etc. Except Nintendo "fans", they don't care haha

I went on a mass ignore list add yesterday of all the 10-15 usual suspects that shit up every thread that has anything remotely positive towards anything not sony or negative towards sony, feels good man. I suggest you do the same.
You are one of the biggest jokes on this forum.
Dont be full of yourself.
 

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No multiplatform game is designed with pc in mind. They care about the console version and then the pc one.

No and no. Multiplatform games have general portable graphics engines that are developed using the PC. There are separate teams for a development company. 2 for consoles, 1 for PCs. They implement all of the best features on the PC and scale them back for consoles. It's always been the case. If you want to say that you are talking about SCOPE of the game, then I can agree with that. But we are talking about graphics here.. not scope.

You would be surprised if they used to make games with high-end pc in mind.

FS2020 is a sim that was developed solely on the PC as the tech is too much for any console (next-gen or otherwise). A lot of other games like Metro and Control and other RTX-based games can't be run on consoles either. That R&D is work. And it takes much longer to put that on the PC than to implement the same old stuff for the consoles. They actually take the time to do it.

Watch DF videos of multiplats this generation and see the graphics features they use on the PC not on the consoles. That's not just a switch. It takes time to implement those 3d features.
 
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There are like 1000 posts since yesterday by Sony fans in response to the nVidia announcement. Of course it has them bothered. The raw power curb stomps both the Series X and the PS5.
 
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No and no. Multiplatform games have general portable graphics engines that are developed using the PC. There are separate teams for a development company. 2 for consoles, 1 for PCs. They implement all of the best features on the PC and scale them back for consoles. It's always been the case. If you want to say that you are talking about SCOPE of the game, then I can agree with that. But we are talking about graphics here.. not scope.



FS2020 is a sim that was developed solely on the PC as the tech is too much for any console (next-gen or otherwise). A lot of other games like Metro and Control and other RTX-based games can't be run on consoles either. That R&D is work. And it takes much longer to put that on the PC than to implement the same old stuff for the consoles. They actually take the time to do it.

Watch DF videos of multiplats this generation and see the graphics features they use on the PC not on the consoles. That's not just a switch. It takes time to implement those 3d features.

I am not sure you understand what ''with console in mind'' means(or at least let's say that we interpret it differently). And I am pretty bored and sleepy to elaborate. But I am right for what I mean. :p
 
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FS2020 is a sim that was developed solely on the PC as the tech is too much for any console (next-gen or otherwise). A lot of other games like Metro and Control and other RTX-based games can't be run on consoles either. That R&D is work. And it takes much longer to put that on the PC than to implement the same old stuff for the consoles. They actually take the time to do it.
FS2020 is coming to Xbox One and Series X though. I wouldn't be surprised to see the One version get canned though.
 

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TBH right now I'm not happy with either console GPU 😂 by the time the PS5 launches there'll be graphics cards on PCs that are 3x or more their GPU performance, which is kind of insane. Actually those cards will have been out for a few months already. Even more insane.
 

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TBH right now I'm not happy with either console GPU 😂 by the time the PS5 launches there'll be graphics cards on PCs that are 3x or more their GPU performance, which is kind of insane. Actually those cards will have been out for a few months already. Even more insane.
Well, PS5 & XSX are very powerful considering what we thought about them back before seeing any of their specs announcements, we were expecting stuff like 8 TFLOPS GCN, 4 cores 8 threads Ryzen+ CPUs with an HDD for both consoles with no hardware decompression block or RT cores or any of that stuff.

But what we got is very powerful I'd say, it's great that Ray Tracing will be a standard next-gen feature and that it isn't gonna get cut like what PS4 & XB1 did with Unreal Engine 4's SVOGI Global Illumination solution (you remember that?).

I also know Sony will be providing TLOU 3, Uncharted 5, God of War 2, Days Gone 2, Spider Man 2 (in the future) and they will blow our minds!!
 
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People only "care" about power when they have it. Sony dont, so it doesnt matter anymore.
This, I mainly play Nintendo games, and I hate how much Nintendo fans "don't care about performance". Mobile tech has advanced a lot since the Switch came out, I don't want to be playing my Switch games on GBA resolution, I had enough of this crap. If fanboys were more critical, they'd push companies to develop better games/hardware, but all they care about is their exclusives getting perfect 10s.
 

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All I see are PS fans who are happy that removing the bottlenecks for i/o proved to be the right thing to go all in on. It seems to be PCMR that are suddenly doing a u-turn.
This was in development while PS5 was. Mark Cerny didn't inspire GPU manufacturers towards this.
 

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All I saw is most developers and even Nvidia are putting huge emphasis on I/O throughput & SSD speeds, you should be concerned over Xbox's significant slower SSD throughput compared to Nvidia and PS5's solutions.

As for its GPU, it's 16% less than Xbox Series X GPU which is very small in real-world terms, you better be concerned because games like Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart may not be done on XSX the same way as PS5.

Just look at Unreal 5 demo LOL!!




Unreal Engine 5 is on XSX and PC as well, slick.
 

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What little has been shown of the power of the PS5 looks fine to me, but I only have enough money for one piece of hardware. The impact the 30XX announcement had on me is nVidia's merit, not Sony's demerit.
Yeah Agreed.

I took it, as a gaming fan, as a sigh of relief. If Sony screws this up I’ll go NVIDIA. I am thrilled for options.
 

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What are you talking about, dude? I didn't see anyone that got disheartened by Nvidia's announcement. You're also comparing PS5 and XSX, and let me tell you, that difference in TF is going to be pretty negligible, is not even as big a difference of power as the PS4 to One, or the XoX to the Pro. Relax dude.
Exactly and same for the Ps5 ssd that will bring no significative advantages to Sony's console. On Series X there is a NVMe ssd that even if not fast as Ps5 ones it's enough to perform similar results.
 
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Yet, there were many comments even by hardcore Sony fans that they are waiting for the PS5 "pro" to release with increased GPU performance. Adding to the current meltdown and increased posts that compares the new nvidia cards with PS5, it is very clear to me that from start ps5 fans are not satisfied with the GPU performance and can't wait for Sony to upgrade their spec.
I think it's more a bragging right, the xbox fans are so agressive about that <20% advantage that it's not conducive to a real conversation about the actual implications. Many xbox fans act as is this was the end of the world, this is almost as absurd as the Mister X Media claims about secret second GPU in the xbone's early last gen, they can't just enjoy that they have it has to destroy, obliterate, crush then burn the competition at all possible levels (I am generalizing, but this is the extent of my interaction with that bunch of people).

Not so sure about satisfaction, it's more about putting it in perspective--sure you'd have to be stupid to claim it's outright more powerful that series x's GPU, but it is clearly close enough that to compare them you should need a photo finish.... Not sure why you claim people are "upset" tho.
it looks like my main point was missed on a lot of people. I was not putting to much attention on the difference of xbox on ps5 GPU or if that matters. my point was that there are group of people who argued that the GPU advantage of xbox did not matter but still behaved and made comments that contradicted their position.
There would be no discussion if there was no series x, people out to shop for a console in the coming months with have to weight the value behind each machine--10.x TF means nothing in a vacuum. People would only compare the new consoles to the old.
 
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After yesterday's announcements I've made the decision to not buy the series x at all, and ima just get a used ps5 in like 4 or 5 years and any exclusives that didnt make it to pc for the cheap.
 

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The gen starts when the consoles launch.

Is this "Next gen doesn't start until.." thing like the "Nuff Said" thing? They're both annoying. We want the brand? What?
Wrong.
The gen starts when talented developers impresses with good games.
The gen starts when console manufacturers bring something new and exciting other than just better specs in a more expensive box.
I've seen next gen stuff done in this gen on PC and PS4 but nothing from XBox.
Quake, Minecraft, Metro and Control's RTX...
Star Citizen...
No cut camera/in game real time cinematics on God of War and The Last of Us Part 2, TLoU2's facial and gameplay animations, AI, etc...
COD MW Warzone is pretty impressive size wise and player count...
 
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I’m not seeing myself buying an Xbox Series X, I’m just gonna upgrade my PC & get a PS5 for exclusives.

PC will be for 3rd-party games & if there are any bad 3rd-party ports, gonna buy them on PS5, simple.
 
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The PS4’s and the Switch’s success shows that people are fine with gaming systems not being more powerful than top-end PCs. Just look at what Sony did with the base PS4. Some of the best looking games ever running on a 1.84TF system.
 

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Your thread title is a leap of faith on top of another leap of faith, you would need a well-conducted research to prove what you said.

I at least have one, and that is how Microsoft are disappointing us with the launch of Xbox Series X without any launch title & how fans are disappointed with Halo Infinite’s graphics.

I mean when we see guys like Colteastwood (the biggest Xbox fanboy) voicing his concerns over Xbox, it just shows you.
 
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Strongest console with shit games is still a shit console. The SSD matters more than 1.8 TFLOPs.
 
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