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The final staff letter of the Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign

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mreddie

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Of coure they will. It's a midterm.

Until the Dems rebuild and reconstruct, if not, yeah, this will be a long 8 years...if it is 8.

DNC should just take out the stink from this and regroup with new blood and experienced faces who aren't coming from the last era.

They need some good people if they want those seats in 18.
 

War Peaceman

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A revolution is needed if the Democrats want any power at local, state, or federal positions other than the Senate and President.

Don't be stupid. Redrawing district lines is in 2020. Can reverse gerrymandering then. Would have been great to have filled up the Supreme Court to restore the VRA but hey ho.
 

Adam_Vania

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Nothing major needs to change. 100,000 voters different in the right place and it was a solid victory. Hillary looks to have won the popular vote too. There is no need for revolution.

the funny thing is after months of hearing "you don't know how government works!" from that side, to hear "actually, they won the popular vote!" yeah that's not how government works either.
 

Raven117

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Ugh...this makes my blood boil.

Take some responsibility...The DNC...yes the Democrats...did a disservice to their own party...
 

old manatee

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Is Comey responsible for Clinton flying home every night instead of properly campaigning?

Or visiting places like Texas and the tiny island of Nantucket instead the rust belt?
 

Ziltoidia 9

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you got be kidding me.

Actually I remember this.

To be honest I stopped posting in political threads for the most part after the primaries (hell even late april), and when I did post, I tried to just focus on Trump or to just ask for the in-fighting to stop.

My opinion is and always will be, parts of the Dem followers got so used to using attacks of racism and sexism against the GOP that they started to use it against anyone that wasn't with the establishment.
 

ginger ninja

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Hillary's repulsiveness won out over Trump's repulsiveness and that's pretty much why She lost in a sentence.
 

Future

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This forum's turn on Clinton is absolutely unreal.

It's great. For awhile, couldn't say anything bad about clintons chances because you'd just get polls and data thrown as proof in your face silencing discussion.

At this point, it's clear they fucked up. And it's telling you don't hear any real talk from the DNC or Clinton herself. It's her overall problem of not being honest to anyone
 

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Hillary is the "No Man's Sky" of off-topic.


That's damn good
 

sunofsam

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This forum's turn on Clinton is absolutely unreal.
Naw, I'd say about 49% of us were either pro-trump or anti-hillary. I've seen the way people were ridiculed for their stance against the chosen one so why bother commenting.
 

War Peaceman

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the funny thing is after months of hearing "you don't know how government works!" from that side, to hear "actually, they won the popular vote!" yeah that's not how government works either.

to be clear, i'm not arguing that the popular vote does or should equate to any form of control. Or that the electoral college system should change. Merely that in House and Presidential voting terms, democrats are more popular. A slight shift (and enormous reduction in house gerrymandering) and there is solid democratic control. The fundamentals are excellent for the democratic party. There is no need for huge change.
 

Neoweee

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There are certainly more issues than Comey's meddling, but make no mistake, this was a pretty close election in PA, MI, WI. I have very little doubt she would've closely won had the FBI not interfered. Those 3 states' electoral votes would've given the DNC the presidency.

Yeah.

I genuinely don't see how any one is taking an honest assesment of the others and concluding otherwise.

The campaign almost survived against the FBI, the Kremlin, the GOP, racists, and sexism, and in the end it all proved 0.1% of voters too many to overcome.

The DNC is not the Hillary Clinton Campaign.

Good luck convincing the internet of that. I'm still shocked how it went portrayed from the organizing committee to the giant overloads that secretly control everything behind the scenes for all campaigns and policy.
 

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"Hey, so what is the gameplay for this?"
"Yo, stfu bro, INIFINTE WORLDS!"

"Hey, so she does have some faults that concern me."
"Yo, stfu bro, YAAAS QUEEN!"

These aren't contradictory. You elevate him to being representative of the party, and then paint him as unfit to be president, thereby saying the leader of the party is not qualified and tarnishing the party as a whole. That's the intent anyways, I assume.
That's fair if that was their intent...but they completely failed at their mission.
 

cordy

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Well, Trump is generally unliked. Though most people viewed him as funny, not a thread. Him winning was something that surprised the majority here, no matter who they supported. It looked especially bad for him in the last weeks.

Now, Hillary is another topic. The majority here without a doubt put Hillary above Trump. However, quite a lot didn't like Hillary Clinton at all for various reasons. Some didn't vote, some voted as depressed voters as Moore called them. There are a lot of issues with Hillary, such as her looking disingenuous (heavy and awfully transparent pandering, talking about taking the high road, but kicking low several times), focused on herself ("I'm with Her",, "her turn"), being pure establishment (corporate backed, DNC pushing way too hard for her against Bernie, Debbie Wasserman Schulz) and unreliable (history flip flopping issues and apologizing for being on the wrong side).

A part of this was the behaviour of the supporters. Now, you shouldn't judge a candidate just on their supporters. Trump isn't a bad pick because his supporters are assholes, it's because he is insane and endanger us all when he got power. Same with everyone. But there was a systematic problem with Hillary supporters here on GAF and in other places, where they tried to force party unity and did so by shutting down criticism of her. As people here state, people who didn't openly and loudly stood for Hillary were dogpilled by PoliGAF and pressured and shamed into voting for her. Bernie supporters was told that they weren't needed. It was messy.

This is straight horrible, wow.
You were also at risk of banning if you stood your ground against those smears. Really wasnt a good time to discuss politics at all.

WOW.

What happened to those mods?
 

SlimySnake

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lol you people. They listed their findings in great details, provided numbers but noooooo, lets continue the witch hunt!

It's ultimately her fault for losing to a douche like Trump but lets not pretend FBI, low turnout, media and republicans werent at fault.
 

Crayolan

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This forum's turn on Clinton is absolutely unreal.

A lot of people voted for Hillary solely because she's not Trump. Now that she failed at the one job they cared about--keeping Trump out of office--there's nothing left to be positive about.
 

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lol you people. They listed their findings in great details, provided numbers but noooooo, lets continue the witch hunt!

It's ultimately her fault for losing to a douche like Trump but lets not pretend FBI, low turnout, media and republicans werent at fault.
Even though they're external factors out of their control, at least three of those things were things they should have been prepared for.

And they weren't. They got blown away.
 

Earthstrike

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lol you people. They listed their findings in great details, provided numbers but noooooo, lets continue the witch hunt!

It's ultimately her fault for losing to a douche like Trump but lets not pretend FBI, low turnout, media and republicans werent at fault.

Seeing as how the FBI decided to influence the election, there may well be people pushing the narrative that it didn't matter simply to distract from the fact that a branch of government influenced the election.

Remember, this is the same FBI that attempted to get MLK to commit suicide.
 

Chariot

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lol you people. They listed their findings in great details, provided numbers but noooooo, lets continue the witch hunt!

It's ultimately her fault for losing to a douche like Trump but lets not pretend FBI, low turnout, media and republicans werent at fault.
FBI wasn't certainly not her fault. But republicans shouldn't be a big surprise, they here for some time now. Gerrymandering was some last-minute surprise card. The turnout was absolutely her fault, it was her job to get people out. But she failed a lot in picking her travel locations and staying on the road. Flying home with a jet every day is ridiculous, ignoring the Rust Belt and throwing fundraisers instead of going out to the people was dangerous. She thought she had already won and bathed in an victory she didn't have yet. If you talk about a few hundred thousand from FBI stuff and 3rd Party candidates, you're already looking the wrong way.

She stood against Donald Trump, she was supposed to floor him by miles. She had the party behind her, Obama, Biden and all, she the money and the connections, she had a household name and campaign experience. But she messed up regardless. Against Trump. Against Donald Trump!
 

Neoweee

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FBI wasn't certainly not her fault. But republicans shouldn't be a big surprise, they here for some time now. Gerrymandering was some last-minute surprise card. The turnout was absolutely her fault, it was her job to get people out. But she failed a lot in picking her travel locations and staying on the road. Flying home with a jet every day is ridiculous, ignoring the Rust Belt and throwing fundraisers instead of going out to the people was dangerous. She thought she had already won and bathed in an victory she didn't have yet. If you talk about a few hundred thousand from FBI stuff and 3rd Party candidates, you're already looking the wrong way.

She stood against Donald Trump, she was supposed to floor him by miles. She had the party behind her, Obama, Biden and all, she the money and the connections, she had a household name and campaign experience. But she messed up regardless. Against Trump. Against Donald Trump!

Don't underestimate the systematic problems facing the democratic party. They got more votes for Senate, more votes for the House, more votes for the Presidency, and won none of them.
 

Eidan

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lol you people. They listed their findings in great details, provided numbers but noooooo, lets continue the witch hunt!

It's ultimately her fault for losing to a douche like Trump but lets not pretend FBI, low turnout, media and republicans werent at fault.

The loss is still a fresh wound for a lot of people, and a lot of people who were never fond of Clinton any of their myriad reasons will obviously enjoy their chance to gloat. I'm of the opinion that a myriad of factors contributed to her loss, and think that posters' here desire to simplify it to a simple "Fuck you Clinton" really says a lot about them and...well their knowledge of pretty much anything related to this campaign and campaigns in general.
 

GhaleonEB

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Sure, Comey didn't help.

But Christ, if that's all it took to make Donald Trump the President-elect, you had far bigger problems.

Well, they had a ragingly sexist media, which didn't help. But otherwise I agree. It was always going to be close, because Republicans come home to the 'R' next to their candidate regardless of who that is. But the depressed turnout on the Dem side has everything to do with the candidate, and her strategy.
 

SlimySnake

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Even though they're external factors out of their control, at least three of those things were things they should have been prepared for.

And they weren't. They got blown away.

They were leading in the polls though. They thought they had prepared for it. I will post what I posted in the other thread that sadly ran its course by the time i posted.

lol at all you guys blaming Hillary supporters. Hindsight is always 20/20. Here are the facts:

- She didn't campaign in PA, WI and MI because ALL polls had her up by a comfortable margin.
- You dont campaign in blue states when you can campaign in traditional swing states like Ohio and Florida. And She campaigned there a lot.
- She should have done more tracking polls but all polls had her up anyway. The money was better spent in ads.
- Her ads were great at making Trump look like a vile racist fool. Americans just ignored it. Blame them.
- She won every debate and destroyed him in the last debate. Americans ignored this. Blame them.
- Blame the polls for getting it so wrong. Campaigns live and die by polls. If the polls had her up then you cant fault her for trusting the polls. If she HADNT trusted the polls and went to traditionally blue states like MI and WI instead of focusing on Ohio and Florida, everyone would've blamed her for not focusing on swing states.
- Someone in Wisconsin said, we wanted to see her and we voted for the racist scumbag because she didnt come and coddle us and tuck us in bed. Dont buy into this. Running a few campaign events into Winsconsin isnt going to convince selfish apathetic white people to all of a sudden vote for her. They had plenty of time to see her during the debates. They went for the guy who got creamed in the debates. Fuck them.
- Stop pretending she only won the primaries in southern states thanks to black voters who dont count in the GE. IIRC, she swept super tuesday. Won Ohio, IL, Florida, Missouri and North Carolina. She won traditionally blue states like NY and California by massive margins. Stop with this narrative.
- Blame 6 million democrats who decided not to show up against the most unqualified president in u.s history. Republican vote has topped out at 60 million in the past three elections, so while they came out and voted for their guy as usual, democrats didnt. Dont tell me that you want to be inspired. Dont tell me you want a better slogan. Dont tell me you wanted someone more charismatic. Or you would stay home, vote third party or vote for this buffoon. You wouldn't. You all went out there and voted for her because you knew it was the right thign to do. these 6 million Obama voters didnt. BLAME THEM.


DO BLAME HER for the following:
- All but ignoring white voters.
- Focusing too much of the GOTV effort on hispanics and other minorities. More hispanics voted for Trump than Romney anyway.
- Not effectively countering Trump on the debate stage whenever he talked trade or outsourcing jobs. She was awful in this regard actually.
- Not focusing on the economy. It's the economy stupid.
- Not promising more. She was an adult and thought americans were adults. She had more faith in america to do the right thing and they didnt.

With all that said, it's important to note that Trump did everything wrong and still won. He didnt play by the book and won. She did and lost. She did everything the conventional wisdom suggested and lost. This is unprecedented. Anyone running a traditional campaign would have lost. Now Bernie might have won because he was essentially running the same campaign as Trump without the vile racist behavior. He was bringing in the white voter and minorities wouldve turned out to vote for him anyway in the GE. His commie ties and socialist agenda wouldnt have hurt her because nothing hurt Trump. But again, this is unprecedented. No one expected republicans would stoop to this. No one.

One thing I will concede is that the forum became extremely hostile towards the end of the primaries and harsh modding might be the reason why we are fighting each other right now. I was a hillary supporter and got banned a couple of times myself.
 

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You were also at risk of banning if you stood your ground against those smears. Really wasnt a good time to discuss politics at all.

This is what bothered me the most. Mods stood by and did nothing while people blatantly violated the terms of service. Those threads were the exact opposite of civil discussions.
 

Netherscourge

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Had the news media held off on releasing those Trump tapes and videos until about 2 weeks ago, things would be different.

The sting of Trump's words wore off shortly after the debates. In fact, the campaign ran those commercials so often, they practically desensitized everyone to them.

The last thing on everyone's minds going into Tuesday was the FBI reopening it's investigation on Clinton. That was pretty much the swing vote right there.

YES, Hillary was a flawed candidate already, but I do believe the timing of all this stuff had a huge impact on the final hours leading into Election Day.

They are not wrong about the FBI's influence. The last BIG thing in the news was the FBI investigation and that made up a lot of people's minds.
 

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i dont see why they can't mention the fact that an FBI official starting mysterious claims about Hillarys emails at the beginning of early voting, and concluding them at the end of concluding, would surely have affected the voting.

That said, brining it up as a single issue is going to make you look bad.

EVERYTHING mattered when it came to votes.

The email "scandal".
The Donna Brazile bullshit.
Her husband being Bill Clinton
The Clinton foundation emails, regardless of whether they meant anything or not.
The DNC basically deciding she was the pick before voters ever had a chance.
The damn FBI basically saying, "maybe we have incriminating evidence, maybe we don't, can't reveal anything yet" 11 days before election night, during early voting.
Not visiting rural areas and promising even prettier unicorns than the ones Donald Trump promised.
Probably more stuff I'm too tired to remember.


Any single one of those factors could have been the lost 50-100k voter shift she needed within key states to win, let alone collectively.

You can safely have the opinion that the FBI did not solely lose votes, but denying isomething like that and it's timing not being a significant negative to a campaign is craziness.
 

BahamutPT

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About the question of the FBI letter changing minds, and disregarding possible trustworthiness of "exit polls", this was the data compiled by CNN:

when did you decide presidential vote?

last few days
8%
last week
6%
in october
12%
in september
13%
before september
60%

Those 14% from the period since the letter was released were almost split in half between candidates.
It probably influenced some people's minds, but I'm not sure if it was a significant factor.
That doesn't excuse what the FBI did, of course.
 

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There could very well be some truth to the idea that the letter tilted it, but we were up against Trump -- our lead should not have been so fragile.
 

Rumblebones

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This forum's turn on Clinton is absolutely unreal.

It might seem that way, but as an outsider looking in, I can recall there being a lot more people against her that went silent because they were shouted down at every opportunity.

The moment the Left allowed that bullshit Bernie Bros narrative is the moment I had my first real doubts Hillary would win. I still thought she would win a closer than it ought have been election, but damn, hindsight is 20/20 and all that.
 

uncelestial

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"Comey and Stein?" Really?

I'm glad the Clinton dynasty is over. A populist firebrand is going to ascend the ranks for 2020 and it's going to feel great when they win the nomination.
 

Ziltoidia 9

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Had the news media held off on releasing those Trump tapes and videos until about 2 weeks ago, things would be different.

The sting of Trump's words wore off shortly after the debates.

The last thing on everyone's minds going into Tuesday was the FBI reopening it's investigation on Clinton. That was pretty the swing vote right there.

YES, Hillary was a flawed candidate already, but I do believe the timing of all this stuff had a huge impact on the final hours leading into Election Day.

They are not wrong about the FBI's influence. The last BIG thing in the news was the FBI investigation and that made up a lot of people's minds.

I had this point also. I thought there being no debates with 3 weeks to go was bad for our chances, especially since Hillary wasn't "seen" as much as Trump. Her schedule was shorter, she does like no interviews or press conferences. Then the FBI thing dropped randomly with 10 days to go.

Wikileaks didn't help either. I think a lot of those working class people saw the inner workings of how fake politics can be, and got completely turned off. What, 90k people didn't even vote in the presidential race, but they voted down ballot? That's amazing, most people don't even know whats going on down ballot until they get to the booth.
 

Flo_Evans

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I will agree that Comey hurt her. But again many concerns were raised during the primaries about the stupid email server and all where ignored or brushed off.

She handled the entire thing stupid as fuck. She knew she was planning on running, she knew it was shady, she knew shit was coming out and the FBI was going on a witch hunt.

No big deal though, nobody cares! Well it turns out people care a lot more about potential national security issues than "locker room talk"
 
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