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[Übermatik]

I just don't think people can act so righteous in this thread considering the likelihood that they've pirated something during their internet history.

I'm all for fair ground, but the outrage in this thread is so embarrassingly cheap. *EDIT* Top of the page... see my previous posts:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=212566398&postcount=47

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=212568039&postcount=69

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=212566398&postcount=47

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=212568039&postcount=69

Usually you purchase a license to play the game. How you run/acquire the game after purchasing the game don't matter.

And I'm sure you're allowed to torrent things you own for personal use only as backups in case a disc or something gets broken.

Whole area is a bit weird, but as long as you paid for a medium like a movie, song or game, I see no issue with you then torrenting it, as you already purchased it.

This is how it should work, indeed.

 

[ISee]

Okay.

 

[prudislav]

Denuvo has been one of the better DRM solutions with no offline issues or performance issues.

sadly not in my experience :-/

 

[Nzyme32]

It's gotta call home after a few days so if you're traveling or something it locks you out.

Yeah, I'm aware. Not as obtuse as others but obviously still a problem. You only really pay attention when you are forced offline. Was doing some diagnostic stuff at a computer shop when buying a new graphics card, and found GTA V refused to work offline despite being online moments earlier. Meanwhile Denuvo stuff was fine but again, short time frame for that.

 

[robotrock]

Doom is $30 everywhere right now and is absolutely worth your money.

 

[LordOcidax]

So.... cracking a game is good news now? Let me ask to the devs....

 

[luca_29_bg]

Doom came out nearly three months ago. Denuvo has prevented piracy in the first 2.75 months of sale. That's pretty effective IMO.

Meanwhile, Mirror's Edge Catalyst, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Far Cry Primal, and Just Cause 3 are completely impossible to pirate.

For now.

And 3dm has already showed cracked version with a bypass/emulator of just cause 3 and rise of tomb raider. Do you want to bet that these games will be the next cracked games ?

 

[Übermatik]

Doom is $30 everywhere right now and is absolutely worth your money.

So.... cracking a game is good news now? Let me ask to the devs....

The true discussion of this thread isn't about pirating games and the moral issues surrounding it/DOOM- it's about ownership, DRM and Denuvo, and what part they play in the current climate of gaming.

Okay.

And this is just... unnecessary.

 

[Maxey]

OK friend keep making assumptions. All I'm saying is this game is awesome and it deserves every sale possible.

u do u tho man

edit: tho I do think Denuvo is dumb

What are you talking about? I'm not saying people should pirate games, I'm saying people will pirate games if possible. It's a fact of life. People want free shit.

 

[madjoki]

So.... cracking a game is good news now? Let me ask to the devs....

well for devs it lasting 3 months is good news.

usually games are cracked within hours.

and no this isn't good news. true crack would be good news. (this one really only allows illegal play, not help for modding)

 

[zeomax]

It's a "crack"

https://www.virustotal.com/de/com/f...cecf4d1ba7118920378f5afb/analysis/1470421187/

I don't think so

 

[Real_Madrid]

The true discussion of this thread isn't about pirating games and the moral issues surrounding it/DOOM- it's about ownership, DRM and Denuvo, and what part they play in the current climate of gaming.

It isn't.

 

[Mufausa The 3rd]

Incoming ban?

 

[Tecnniqe]

So.... cracking a game is good news now? Let me ask to the devs....

A complete crack for Denuvo would allow people who purchased the game to completely mod their game. Yes its good news.

Paying customers have been given the short stick when it comes to DRM for years, to the point its more work to LEGIT purchase the game than just pirating it all together.

And if my internet went out and I could not play Doom, I'd be super pissed, cause the only reason for it would be Denovu, and the game already got Steam's DRM.

 

[Sayad]

Why is this news though! Is it the first Denuvo game to be cracked?

 

[madjoki]

It's a "crack"

https://www.virustotal.com/de/com/f...cecf4d1ba7118920378f5afb/analysis/1470421187/

I don't think so

All cracks use packers/anti-tamper stuff to protect their work of removing packers/anti-tamper from someone else. Virus use same packers, so there are false positives.

Edit: not saying it's safe crack, but can be false positive.

 

[luca_29_bg]

It's a "crack"

https://www.virustotal.com/de/com/f...cecf4d1ba7118920378f5afb/analysis/1470421187/

I don't think so

it works and it has false positive,

"Also if you guys get false-positives on the files, it's normal. Almost all files are packed, hence the false positive. If I could have released it normally like other steamworks fixes and cracks, I would have."

directly from Voksi

 

[demosthenes]

For now.

And 3dm has already showed cracked version with a bypass/emulator of just cause 3 and rise of tomb raider. Do you want to bet that these games will be the next cracked games ?

Why does this personally excite you so much?

 

[Zeenbor]

Gamers who say anti-piracy PC DRM prevents game preservation sound like they have their head up their asses.

It's simple - If you like the game, buy it. If you can't afford it, go ahead and (attempt to) pirate it. But don't give me a bullshit excuse saying piracy is for preserving the history of games.

Don't chastise the publisher for wanting to protect their investment. For piracy-prone platforms, like PC and mobile, loss of revenue ACTUALLY HURTS.

And in the case of DOOM - this is a multi-platform game on consoles. Eventually PS4/XB1 will be emulated and this will be able to run on whatever PC you have in 10 years time.

 

[luca_29_bg]

All cracks use packers/anti-tamper stuff to protect their work of removing packers/anti-tamper from someone else. Virus use same packers, so there are false positives.

Edit: not saying it's safe crack, but can be false positive.

They are false positive, the cracker is famous, in the past has removed the triggers from talos principles

 

[Real_Madrid]

A complete crack for Denuvo would allow people who purchased the game to completely mod their game. Yes its good news.

Paying customers have been given the short stick when it comes to DRM for years, to the point its more work to LEGIT purchase the game than just pirating it all together.

And if my internet went out and I could not play Doom, I'd be super pissed, cause the only reason for it would be Denovu, and the game already got Steam's DRM.

Doesn't make you entitled to it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Pretty simple.
All these excuses are changing every time, but piracy is always needed for some people, of course not for pirating the game itself.

 

[striferser]

Well, good news. That mean i can play it 10 years in the future and modder can start doing their magic.

 

[luca_29_bg]

Why does this personally excite you so much?

because i like these kind of things, the war between good and evil, modern robin hood that want to share to poor people and evil company that, of course, don't want you can play their games free, even if you can't buy these games, because you don't have money.

it's fun !

 

[Greatest Ever]

Are permanent bans bad for the industry? TC is about to find out!

 

[Zeenbor]

because i like these kind of things, the war between good and evil, modern robin hood that want to share to poor people and evil company that, of course, don't want you can play their games free, even if you can't buy these games, because you don't have money.

it's fun !

Don't forget to enjoy the malware too!

 

[ISee]

And this is just... unnecessary.

Being able to remove denuvo in 20 years is great and I'm okay with people fighting against copyprotection systems. If you disagree that's your problem.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

because i like these kind of things, the war between good and evil, modern robin hood that want to share to poor people and evil company that, of course, don't want you can play their games free, even if you can't buy these games, because you don't have money.

it's fun !

This sounds like something a 13 year old would say. Evil company? They aren't selling medicine or food or anything actually important. It's a game about shooting demons. Give me a break.

 

[Kard8p3]

What are you talking about? I'm not saying people should pirate games, I'm saying people will pirate games if possible. It's a fact of life. People want free shit.

You said I "don't understand." That's why I said keep making assumptions. Obviously I know why it happens, lol.

 

[demosthenes]

because i like these kind of things, the war between good and evil, modern robin hood that want to share to poor people and evil company that, of course, don't want you can play their games free, even if you can't buy these games, because you don't have money.

it's fun !

Good and evil? Robin Hood? A company that invests in a handful or a hundreds of employees and millions (tens and hundreds sometimes) of dollars to create something for entertainment and they want to protect their investment so they're evil?

And the underlined shows what you want, piracy. No thanks, buy the game or don't play it.

 

[Übermatik]

It isn't.

Alright:

DOOM's been cracked. Er... Um... No, I can't think of any DOOM specific argument or discussion here.

On the other hand:

What's to gain from cracking Denuvo? How does this affect future and past releases? What's the place of DRM? Should someone who has bought a licensed copy of a game be able to download a cracked copy? How effective is Denuvo, really, considering this is yet another game to be bested by hackers?

Being able to remove denuvo in 20 years is great and I'm okay with people fighting against copyprotection systems. If you disagree that's your problem.

Why didn't you put this in your original post then? What good did "Ok." do vs. not posting at all?

 

[Real_Madrid]

because i like these kind of things, the war between good and evil, modern robin hood that want to share to poor people and evil company that, of course, don't want you can play their games free, even if you can't buy these games, because you don't have money.

it's fun !

You're missing that you need a serious gaming pc for Doom and a good internet connection for downloading it. Apparently they have the money for that, these poor people who can't afford a 30 euro game.
Or you know, they could just wait and buy it cheaper.

 

[luca_29_bg]

"I also shared a secret in the files of how to crack Denuvo as a .png file"

ahahahahah

 

[nkarafo]

Come on guys.

You should buy the game yes. But it's always nice to have a crack around for the near future, in case the game isn't working then due to DRM issues.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Just buy the dame game. It's fucking great.

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[jett]

So 3DM didn't do it? How odd.

Anyway, Doom deserves your monies, people.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Gamers who say anti-piracy PC DRM prevents game preservation sound like they have their head up their asses.

It's simple - If you like the game, buy it. If you can't afford it, go ahead and (attempt to) pirate it. But don't give me a bullshit excuse saying piracy is for preserving the history of games.

Don't chastise the publisher for wanting to protect their investment. For piracy-prone platforms, like PC and mobile, loss of revenue ACTUALLY HURTS.

And in the case of DOOM - this is a multi-platform game on consoles. Eventually PS4/XB1 will be emulated and this will be able to run on whatever PC you have in 10 years time.

This simply prevents any major change to the game or it wont run at all. I hate it. It limits how we can have a single player experience and replayability of it as well imo.

It's simple indeed, I purchased it, I cant edit it - because they force DRM on us.

I've yet to see hard fact thats piracy = 100% lost sale so the whole "protecting investment" seems rather poor, as we've moved away from mods and skins in both SP and Online games to everything being locked down and only purchased DLC from the companies work - Same goes for servers and server browsers to customize your experience.

In fact when it comes to the PC space, the way you can customize your SP and Online experience free of charge via other peoples passionate work, seems to be go rather backwards. You have the occasional game that promotes mods, but even outside that being able to host servers for AAA MP games and having crazy settings and a custom experience is almost impossible, as its no longer allowed - which again makes the publishers able to force you over to their next iteration when they shut the servers down.

And if a game is limited to a "call home" DRM and they just kill those servers, you need a crack to even open it in 5-10 years time.


And if you think "Hur you're a pirate". I got the game on Steam, feel free to check it. I hate DRM, so to me, this is good, as it can possibly allow me to have even greater experiences in my purchased game.

Doesn't make you entitled to it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Pretty simple.
All these excuses are changing every time, but piracy is always needed for some people, of course not for pirating the game itself.

Thats a stupid thing to say. If I dont buy it I cant experience the art and game they made. But if I pirate it im a thief now.

It's not excuses, and if you keep letting them push things that eventually will be cracked, that only hampers people who pay, in one form or another, thats bad.

I purchase their games, because I enjoy the game. Don't mean I have to enjoy or even like the DRM with it, because at some point, you'll be damn right if that DRM stops me from playing it even as I purchased it.

 

[Real_Madrid]

What's to gain from cracking Denuvo? How does this affect future and past releases? What's the place of DRM? Should someone who has bought a licensed copy of a game be able to download a cracked copy? How effective is Denuvo, really, considering this is yet another game to be bested by hackers?

Considering how irritated pirates are by Denuvo, I say pretty effective.

 

[joms5]

Why does this personally excite you so much?

I know not everyone follows this scene but the last year has been pretty crazy in terms of Denuvo. Just google it and you'll see that a pretty prominent scene group bowed out of cracking games for a year to see if it had an effect on sales. Then one of the members came out saying that they were pretty sure it could not be done, only to back peddle on that statement.

Plus if you're even remotely interested in hacking, the nuts and bolts on the "how" they did it is extremely fascinating.

 

[luca_29_bg]

You're missing that you need a serious gaming pc for Doom and a good internet connection for downloading it. Apparently they have the money for that, these poor people who can't afford a 30 euro game.
Or you know, they could just wait and buy it cheaper.

a gaming pc you can buy in a moment when you had the money, and it last years. When for whatever reason you don't have any more money or 30 euro for a game it's too much for you a crack can help. And there are cheap adsl out there!

 

[demosthenes]

This simply prevents any major change to the game or it wont run at all. I hate it. It limits how we can have a single player experience and replayability of it as well imo.

It's simple indeed, I purchased it, I cant edit it - because they force DRM on us.

I've yet to see hard fact thats piracy = 100% lost sale so the whole "protecting investment" seems rather poor, as we've moved away from mods and skins in both SP and Online games to everything being locked down and only purchased DLC from the companies work - Same goes for servers and server browsers to customize your experience.

In fact when it comes to the PC space, the way you can customize your SP and Online experience free of charge via other peoples passionate work, seems to be go rather backwards. You have the occasional game that promotes mods, but even outside that being able to host servers for AAA MP games and having crazy settings and a custom experience is almost impossible, as its no longer allowed - which again makes the publishers able to force you over to their next iteration when they shut the servers down.

And if a game is limited to a "call home" DRM and they just kill those servers, you need a crack to even open it in 5-10 years time.


And if you think "Hur you're a pirate". I got the game on Steam, feel free to check it. I hate DRM, so to me, this is good, as it can possibly allow me to have even greater experiences in my purchased game.



Thats a stupid thing to say. If I dont buy it I cant experience the art and game they made. But if I pirate it im a thief now.

It's not excuses, and if you keep letting them push things that eventually will be cracked, that only hampers people who pay, in one form or another, thats bad.

I purchase their games, because I enjoy the game. Don't mean I have to enjoy or even like the DRM with it.

http://www.ibtimes.com/androids-pir...ive-away-games-altos-adventure-latest-2303552

Literally changing the way they make games because the piracy on Android is so large. Give it away for free and charge for IAP and hope to make money that way. Then they'll change the gameplay to encourage purchases of IAP.

I know not everyone follows this scene but the last year has been pretty crazy in terms of Denuvo. Just google it and you'll see that a pretty prominent scene group bowed out of cracking games for a year to see if it had an effect on sales. Then one of the members came out saying that they were pretty sure it could not be done, only to back peddle on that statement.

Plus if you're even remotely interested in hacking, the nuts and bolts on the "how" they did it is extremely fascinating.

He literally said in one of his posts he thinks the game should be free.

Thats a stupid thing to say. If I dont buy it I cant experience the art and game they made. But if I pirate it im a thief now.

It's not excuses, and if you keep letting them push things that eventually will be cracked, that only hampers people who pay, in one form or another, thats bad.

I purchase their games, because I enjoy the game. Don't mean I have to enjoy or even like the DRM with it, because at some point, you'll be damn right if that DRM stops me from playing it even as I purchased it.

If you don't buy it, you do not GET to experience the art and the game they made. They don't WANT you to if they're charging money. Yes, you're a thief.

 

[protomouse]

If I were Denuvo, I'd offer these guys a cash prize and permanent jobs.

 

[Levyne]

a gaming pc you can buy in a moment when you had the money, and it last years. When for whatever reason you don't have any more money or 30 euro for a game it's too much for you a crack can help. And there are cheap adsl out there!

I was with the premise of this thread and still largely am, but you're losing me here. Not having the money to afford a game in a given month or whatever is pretty awful excuse to turn to a crack.

 

[ISee]

Why didn't you put this in your original post then? What good did "Ok." do vs. not posting at all?

Shift down a gear. Okay means being okay with something and it's a clear and easy to understand statement. Especially in contrast to all the 'oh no, removing denuvo is so bad' posts.

 

[Hatty]

a gaming pc you can buy in a moment when you had the money, and it last years. When for whatever reason you don't have any more money or 30 euro for a game it's too much for you a crack can help. And there are cheap adsl out there!

Now I hate to use the word "entitled" but what right do these people have to feel like they are entitled to play any game they please for free?

 

[ieptbarakat]

In fact when it comes to the PC space, the way you can customize your SP and Online experience free of charge via other peoples passionate work, seems to be go rather backwards. You have the occasional game that promotes mods, but even outside that being able to host servers for AAA MP games and having crazy settings and a custom experience is almost impossible, as its no longer allowed - which again makes the publishers able to force you over to their next iteration when they shut the servers down.

And if a game is limited to a "call home" DRM and they just kill those servers, you need a crack to even open it in 5-10 years time.

I agree completely, locking your game up like they do with dunevo just reduces the overall value of your game in my eyes. Imagine if Dark Souls PC used dunevo and released like it did, durante would likely have been unable to make the game the better experience that it is today and the franchise would have suffered in the long run.

 

[LordOfChaos]

(•_&#8226 I guess
( •_&#8226>⌐■-■ You could say
(⌐■_&#9632 It's Doneuvo


Ooh, Doom is 30USD? Most important thing from this thread.

 

[demosthenes]

a gaming pc you can buy in a moment when you had the money, and it last years. When for whatever reason you don't have any more money or 30 euro for a game it's too much for you a crack can help. And there are cheap adsl out there!

Literally throwing any other pretense away. Just asking for straight piracy because you don't have the money. If you don't have the money then you don't get to play it.

 

[Tecnniqe]

I agree completely, locking your game up like they do with dunevo just reduces the overall value of your game in my eyes. Imagine if Dark Souls PC used dunevo and released like it did, durante would likely have been unable to make the game the better experience that it is today and the franchise would have suffered in the long run.

Yeah. There is very few companies I'd trust to make games that work fine without mods and fixes from people like durante. But with DRM like this you're shit out of luck.

 

[Lothars]

This is great news, Denuvo needs to be cracked permanently and to echo the general sentiment everyone should buy doom.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

This simply prevents any major change to the game or it wont run at all. I hate it. It limits how we can have a single player experience and replayability of it as well imo.

It's simple indeed, I purchased it, I cant edit it - because they force DRM on us.

This is not a Denuvo thing itself though, there are games that use it and allow mods, such as Total Warhammer. I can edit files for that and not be banned, and it only requires a single activation once in it's lifetime when it installs. I'm not sure if there is something I'm missing, or if people think Denuvo does much more than it actually does. I really don't get the rage for it.