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[Übermatik]

Considering how irritated pirates are by Denuvo, I say pretty effective.

Hey, we're having a discussion! About Denuvo!

You're right here, in a way - the fact that it takes months for games to be pirated is a strong positive for game developers, and should help to deter some efforts in the first place, in the future. THat said, it's clear that Denuvo is not a permanent solution, which lads me to ask - should it be? Is this a 'happy middle' for anti-DRM activists and game developers? Or should there be a permanent solution to cracking software? If so, what happens when DRM takes ultimate control of your ownership?

Shift down a gear. Okay means being okay with something and it's a clear and easy to understand statement. Especially in contrast to all the 'oh no, removing denuvo is so bad' posts.

It's so bland as a reply, though - you indicated nothing but indifference, really. And if I've misinterpreted you, you can hardly blame me given you only provided us with a one word reply to go off.

 

[prudislav]

If I were Denuvo, I'd offer these guys a cash prize and permanent jobs.

well Denuvo is alongside of securom devs rumoured to have hired some ex-scene crackers ;-)

 

[exmachina64]

because i like these kind of things, the war between good and evil, modern robin hood that want to share to poor people and evil company that, of course, don't want you can play their games free, even if you can't buy these games, because you don't have money.

it's fun !

Huh.

 

[Budi]

because i like these kind of things, the war between good and evil, modern robin hood that want to share to poor people and evil company that, of course, don't want you can play their games free, even if you can't buy these games, because you don't have money.

it's fun !

I'm not saying this to do backseat modding. But what you just said makes it look like that you would be advocating piracy even though you removed the link from the post. Calling pirates good and game companies evil who spend money to deliver entertainment to paying customers. I don't even see any mention about the classic "game preservation". Atleast you are honest, I can respect that.

That "poor" people is really lame excuse, old games can be bought really cheap anyway. And how would a poor person afford a modern gaming platform to begin with?

 

[Übermatik]

well Denuvo is alongside of securom devs rumoured to have hired some ex-scene crackers ;-)

Highly likely. Cracking/hacking doesn't pay. It's an arduous, rewardless hobby. Working for a company to do the opposite does - and pays extremely well, too.

 

[Metzhara]

Anyone else here feel some of these threads are traps?
To stay on topic...

I don't enjoy cracked titles anymore. Last cracked title I had was the original Quake which I only bought for the soundtrack.
-Adam

 

[Übermatik]

Anyone else here feel some of these threads are traps?

You shouldn't have to feel this way - but unfortunately some posters give off that vibe. GAF's active ignorance to the discussion of piracy is worrying and dangerous, should it represent the greater attitude to the issue. And again, the moral high ground some take in these threads is ridiculous.

 

[BlazinSkatinAxel]

Threads like this are the reason the hoopla about games being "preserved" is junk.

This is why developers want excrypted games & apps on Windows 10.

 

[tioslash]

No thanks, buy the game or don't play it.

Bought the game awhile ago. I was without internet for a week or so and wanted to play the single player campaign. What happened? I was greeted with a nice message saying that I needed to get online for a verification. Went on to play some other game on my Steam library that runs perfectly fine in offline mode.

I won´t pretend that it ruined my week, since it is a game after all. But still, I spent good money on a software that blocks me from using it if I don´t have an internet connection all the time.

Piracy aside, Denuvo is a piece of shit.

 

[Tecnniqe]

because i like these kind of things, the war between good and evil, modern robin hood that want to share to poor people and evil company that, of course, don't want you can play their games free, even if you can't buy these games, because you don't have money.

it's fun !

Thats a weird thing to say. "Hey I cant afford the ticket for this movie, so this guy will just let me in for free".

The argument is not so much about pirates, but the things you can do with a product you purchase and the control you have over customizing and improving your experience, be it fixes or complete over-haul modding which DRM usually prevents, among other things.

You're right here, in a way - the fact that it takes months for games to be pirated is a strong positive for game developers, and should help to deter some efforts in the first place, in the future. THat said, it's clear that Denuvo is not a permanent solution, which lads me to ask - should it be? Is this a 'happy middle' for anti-DRM activists and game developers? Or should there be a permanent solution to cracking software? If so, what happens when DRM takes ultimate control of your ownership?

Well if its only for the first months to earn max profits, why not disable the DRM entirely after 2 or so months?
Usually the hype is gone by then, game might be on sale or sell for cheaper and most people who would purchase it in the first place probably did + those who did purchase it now got full control over their product with no BS.

 

[ISee]

It's so bland as a reply, though - you indicated nothing but indifference, really. And if I've misinterpreted you, you can hardly blame me given you only provided us with a one word reply to go off.

Okay.

Spoiler

=Whatever, just to help you out this time.

 

[demosthenes]

Bought the game awhile ago. I was without internet for a week or so and wanted to play the single player campaign. What happened? I was greeted with a nice message saying that I needed to get online for a verification. Went on to play some other game on my Steam library that runs perfectly fine in offline mode.

I won´t pretend that it ruined my week, since it is a game after all. But still, I spent good money on a software that blocks me from using it if I don´t have an internet connection all the time.

Piracy aside, Denuvo is a piece of shit.

I don't like this and I won't advocate for this, if I bought a game and couldn't play it b/c I was with out internet I would be angry.

But this is what some pubs turn to to combat piracy. What do you think came first: piracy or intrusive DRM?

 

[nkarafo]

Gamers who say anti-piracy PC DRM prevents game preservation sound like they have their head up their asses.

It's simple - If you like the game, buy it. If you can't afford it, go ahead and (attempt to) pirate it. But don't give me a bullshit excuse saying piracy is for preserving the history of games.

Don't chastise the publisher for wanting to protect their investment. For piracy-prone platforms, like PC and mobile, loss of revenue ACTUALLY HURTS.

And in the case of DOOM - this is a multi-platform game on consoles. Eventually PS4/XB1 will be emulated and this will be able to run on whatever PC you have in 10 years time.

DRM is bad because it affects the buying customer. What would you say if in 10 years your game doesn't work and there is no way (crack) to make it work? Ho about your game not working because you have no internet? Or you bought a new PC?

Personally i feel uncomfortable knowing that i'm buying a game that maybe i won't be able to use forever, especially since i'm a collector and Retro gamer mostly. People who play new games and toss them after completion won't care, sure.

 

[Lothars]

Hey, we're having a discussion! About Denuvo!

You're right here, in a way - the fact that it takes months for games to be pirated is a strong positive for game developers, and should help to deter some efforts in the first place, in the future. THat said, it's clear that Denuvo is not a permanent solution, which lads me to ask - should it be? Is this a 'happy middle' for anti-DRM activists and game developers? Or should there be a permanent solution to cracking software? If so, what happens when DRM takes ultimate control of your ownership?

There should be something in place that after say a indetermined amount of time or something the game DRM shuts down. This would still help where the majority of sales are front loaded and help with game preservation.

I don't have an issue with DRM but I do think bad DRM exists and really can hurt game preservation which is very important.

I don't like this and I won't advocate for this, if I bought a game and couldn't play it b/c I was with out internet I would be angry.

But this is what some pubs turn to to combat piracy. What do you think came first: piracy or intrusive DRM?

Piracy of course came first but Intrusive DRM is unacceptable and shouldn't be celebrated.

 

[demosthenes]

Thats a weird thing to say. "Hey I cant afford the ticket for this movie, so this guy will just let me in for free".

The argument is not so much about pirates, but the things you can do with a product you purchase and the control you have over customizing and improving your experience, be it fixes or complete over-haul modding which DRM usually prevents, among other things.

Well if its only for the first months to earn max profits, why not disable the DRM entirely after 2 or so months?
Usually the hype is gone by then, game might be on sale or sell for cheaper and most people who would purchase it in the first place probably did + those who did purchase it now got full control over their product with no BS.

Because they're not in the business to giving things away for free? What do you think would happen to sales in the first 2 months of a game if they started offering AAA games away DRM free 2 months after the game went for sale?

There should be something in place that after say a indetermined amount of time or something the game DRM shuts down. This would still help where the majority of sales are front loaded and help with game preservation.

I don't have an issue with DRM but I do think bad DRM exists and really can hurt game preservation which is very important.

Piracy of course came first but Intrusive DRM is unacceptable and shouldn't be celebrated.

I don't celebrate it but I see it for what it is, a response. I like that I can mod my games. I like that Dark Souls PC wasn't thrown into the crap-PC port bin. The OP is literally the reason why devs/pubs want DRM. He's advocating piracy in this thread over and over again.

 

[luca_29_bg]

I was with the premise of this thread and still largely am, but you're losing me here. Not having the money to afford a game in a given month or whatever is pretty awful excuse to turn to a crack.

i'm saying that is a right thing to do, from a moral point of view. But for many people it works in this way.

 

[Guymelef]

So it's not 3DM... lol.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Because they're not in the business to giving things away for free? What do you think would happen to sales in the first 2 months of a game if they started offering AAA games away DRM free 2 months after the game went for sale?

The question is not so much giving it away for free as it is "when would be the right time to remove the intrusive DRMs". 2 months? 4? 9?

Because if they dont remove it, you need a crack to get rid of it, be it for piracy or editing a purchased copy.

 

[Odrion]

The question is not so much giving it away for free as it is "when would be the right time to remove the intrusive DRMs". 2 months? 4? 9?

Is Devuno intrusive? If you think so, why?

 

[Lothars]

I don't celebrate it but I see it for what it is, a response. I like that I can mod my games. I like that Dark Souls PC wasn't thrown into the crap-PC port bin. The OP is literally the reason why devs/pubs want DRM. He's advocating piracy in this thread over and over again.

It's a shitty response though and needs to be called out time and time again from it with people not buying the games and speaking out on why they don't.

The OP is in the wrong for advocating piracy.

The question is not so much giving it away for free as it is "when would be the right time to remove the intrusive DRMs". 2 months? 4? 9?

Because if they dont remove it, you need a crack to get rid of it, be it for piracy or editing a purchased copy.

Is Devuno intrusive? If you think so, why?

I don't think it's intrusive but I do think it and all DRM should be removed after a time which would probably be a couple years at the earliest.

 

[luca_29_bg]

It's a shitty response though and needs to be called out time and time again from it with people not buying the games and speaking out on why they don't.

The OP is in the wrong for advocating piracy.

it's an informative thread about cracking denuvo, even the moderator has accepted this thread!

 

[demosthenes]

The question is not so much giving it away for free as it is "when would be the right time to remove the intrusive DRMs". 2 months? 4? 9?

Because if they dont remove it, you need a crack to get rid of it, be it for piracy or editing a purchased copy.

I would bet that to every single person that invested a $1 in getting that game made, removing all DRM is in effect giving the game away for free.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Is Devuno intrusive? If you think so, why?

There are plenty of reasons above without me typing everything all over again.

It's a shitty response though and needs to be called out time and time again from it with people not buying the games and speaking out on why they don't.

The OP is in the wrong for advocating piracy.

Well some of the responses OP made seems to be in that direction, yes.

 

[demosthenes]

There are plenty of reasons above without me typing everything all over again.


Well some of the responses OP made seems to be in that direction, yes.

To be in that direction? He's literally advocated for not having enough money to buy it, therefore get a crack of it.

 

[ISee]

it's an informative thread about cracking denuvo, even the moderator has accepted this thread!

At least it's news worthy.

 

[Fordfx2]

posting a link to how to pirate?

ARRRR! http://www.wikihow.com/Act-Like-a-Pirate

 

[prudislav]

Really curious if this method would work under wine on linux :-/

 

[LordOfChaos]

This is great news, Denuvo needs to be cracked permanently and to echo the general sentiment everyone should buy doom.

Denuvo isn't going to pack up and leave, it's going to make a better one for next time that'll take even longer to crack.

And besides, it did what the publisher paid for, the first few months of a games life are nearly all it's profits, it just needs to protect those months.

 

[ISee]

Really curious if this method would work under wine on linux :-/

If you own the game (bought it) than test it. It's your software, you paid for it. If you want to change it, mod it or alter it you're free to do so as long as it is for your personal fun or use.

 

[synce]

Just Doom? Denuvo as a whole needs to die already. Happy to see there's progress at least

 

[univariate]

Ugh I wish people would just buy games like the rest of us.

Yep. I hope op gets banned.

 

[Stimpack]

Why not just buy it? Game is the best FPS to come out in like what, 10 years or some shit?

What about Wolfenstein?

 

[ISee]

Yep. I hope op gets banned.

For giving a direct link to the crack, sure.
For giving us the information that a crack exists? No.

 

[Jackpot]

Yep. I hope op gets banned.

What on earth is wrong with you?

 

[Lothars]

Denuvo isn't going to pack up and leave, it's going to make a better one for next time that'll take even longer to crack.

And besides, it did what the publisher paid for, the first few months of a games life are nearly all it's profits, it just needs to protect those months.

Yes and there's nothing wrong with them protecting the game, just like there's nothing wrong with it being cracked after that time.

 

[oSoLucky]

I'm not near a PC at the moment and not able to do much research myself. Is what was stated by some posters true, that this workaround won't do any good if the servers are shutdown in the future, and still doesn't allow any other modifications? If so, then how is this particular instance a good thing at all besides for piracy?

 

[Tecnniqe]

What on earth is wrong with you?

I'm not near a PC at the moment and not able to do much research myself. Is what was stated by some posters true, that this workaround won't do any good if the servers are shutdown in the future, and still doesn't allow any other modifications? If so, then how is this particular instance a good thing at all besides for piracy?

Unless it properly removes it, its probably only positive for piracy.

But if this allows you to inject mods and conversions for the game it can be used outside of it.

 

[NeoRaider]

Lmao at the first page of this thread. Some ppl are so mad... for no reason.

 

[djplaeskool]

Yar har
Fiddle dee dee

 

[Li Kao]

What on earth is wrong with you?

Well, his contributions to the thread are pretty damning. OP crossed the informative line a long time ago and never looked back.

 

[NeoRaider]

Well, his contributions to the thread are pretty damning. OP crossed the informative line a long time ago and never looked back.

There is no need to bully anyone just because he/she made a mistake that he/she later fixed. There are mods on this forum to worry about these things i guess.
Some replies here are disgusting and also crossed the line.

 

[deadeyekiwi]

Does this mean doom can finally be modded. If so I might buy it now. I had it on PS4 but I could not get use to play a game like that with a controller.

 

[Li Kao]

There is no need to bully anyone just because he/she made a mistake that he/she later fixed. There are mods on this forum to worry about these things i guess.

I'm not talking about the link. His general line of thinking is, let's say peculiar.
But you are right, let's leave the moderation to the moderators.

 

[mdzapeer]

The I am split on this, the crack is good as it makes sure the game will have available for a long time after the developers have abandoned it.

Most developers should remove the DRM from their games a few years down the line anyway.

 

[demosthenes]

There is no need to bully anyone just because he/she made a mistake that he/she later fixed. There are mods on this forum to worry about these things i guess.
Some replies here are disgusting and also crossed the line.

The posts from OP later on are just straight up advocating piracy.

The I am split on this, the crack is good as it makes sure the game will have available for a long time after the developers have abandoned it.

Most developers should remove the DRM from their games a few years down the line anyway.

I would welcome devs/pubs doing this. After 5 years or something.

 

[Blam]

This is not a Denuvo thing itself though, there are games that use it and allow mods, such as Total Warhammer. I can edit files for that and not be banned, and it only requires a single activation once in it's lifetime when it installs. I'm not sure if there is something I'm missing, or if people think Denuvo does much more than it actually does. I really don't get the rage for it.

Because once Denuvo's servers go down you won't be able to play the game.

 

[Jonneh3003]

Lmao at the first page of this thread. Some ppl are so mad... for no reason.

I'm disappointed that pirates can now play the game, they don't deserve to. It's cool that people can play it DRM free now but not at the cost of theft.

 

[demosthenes]

Because once Denuvo's servers go down you won't be able to play the game.

Or they release the DRM on the game. Like Steam has said they would do:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/18mzcn/i_asked_steam_support_what_happens_to_my_games_if/

 

[laxu]

With Denuvo and other hard to crack DRM becoming more common I wonder how it will ultimately affect the market. Will it show in stronger sales or will those who would pirate the game just not buy it or buy it a year later from a deeply discounted sale?

I think there definitely should be some sort of failsafe option available in case Denuvo goes out of business. I don't want a world where ten years from now we can't play some old favorite because it can no longer connect to some damn server for copy protection.

Ideal situation would be that DRM for a game would be a thing for a few years and then a patch that removes it gets released. While this is extra work for the developers it would be a good gesture towards gamers.

 

[ISee]

The posts from OP later on are just straight up advocating piracy.

So what? He isn't breaking any kind of rules by having a strange and unpopular opinion.
You may not agree with him, but that's not a reason for banning him.