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[Coldblackice]

Random-ass question --

Can anyone identify what programs are tied to the icons on the taskbar + tray?

http://i.imgur.com/UwhF1zg.png

I'm a curious app-junkie/addict. I can identify a few:

1. Win Explorer,
2. audio app?
3. Chrome
4. ?
5. x64 debugger
6. IE
7. Task Manager
8. ?
9. Skype
10. qBittorrent
11. Skype
12. ?
13. Notepad++
14. ?
15. Notepad
16. ?
17. Task Manager
18. CheatEngine
19. Steam
20. HxD
21. Tomb Raider

Tray:

1. ?
2. Skype
3. ?
4. Windows Audio
5. ?
6. ?
7. ?
8. ?
9. ?
10. ?
11. ?
12. Sandboxie
13. VMware?
14. ?
15. Steam
16. Task Manager
17. Torrent app
18. Windows Network Connections
19. Windows Volume
20. ?
21. Windows Keyboard Selector

 

[Renekton]

Many (like me) would say that you're wrong again, since "taking" implies "taking away". The original is untouched, it is not being taken.

I get that you're a dev, but just yelling SEMANTICS doesn't mean that for many if not most people, digital piracy is NOT accurately described as "stealing" or "taking".

I feel the same about your opinion. You're not the arbiter of language here (or anywhere).

Your only premise against piracy is semantics, all the while showing zero empathy for his situation.

 

[luca_29_bg]

This is the worst garbage post I've seen in a long while.

Why ? Because i found fun the whole war between publishers and crackers ? I should hide my opinion because it's garbage for you ? Below i specified what i mean with that message, maybe it wasn't clear from the start but sometimes we should read between the lines!

 

[Joyful]

eh this whole 1 download=1 lost sale thing has been disproven long ago
yeah piracy is immoral but that money argument is presumptuous as fuck

 

[Gamezone]

Cracking things like Denuvo is probably why we have to keep up with always online on some games. Good luck trying to crack or preserve that.

 

[Renekton]

Why ? Because i found fun the whole war between publishers and crackers ? I should hide my opinion because it's garbage for you ?

Well a small dev (not a big corporation) here got pirated to hell for his hardwork, threatening his ability to put food on the table. But you got Robin Hood excitement from this.

 

[hendersonhank]

Your only premise against piracy is semantics, all the while showing zero empathy for his situation.

Where did I say anything for or against piracy? Like the other poster, I merely disagree with its classification as theft/stealing. It's piracy, it's its own thing. It lacks the entirely critical component of theft and stealing, the fact that the thief now has what the legitimate owner used to have. This does not apply to digital piracy.

 

[joms5]

Technically it's taking something without paying for it when you're supposed to pay for it - stealing.

Yes, it's a "copy". The SEMANTIC term is piracy. The act is very much stealing.

Put it to you this way: our 99c game was pirated enough to buy about 20 PS4s if less than half of those pirates bought our game. The reality is that I didn't make enough to buy even a single PS4.

Let that sink in.

Because of idiots like you who don't like paying for games there goes my work for nothing.

To that end: fuck you. Your opinion on what you THINK it means - is jack fucking shit. It's adolescent. It shows a complete lack of understanding on what it actually is. "A rose by any other name . . . "

It's theft. It's stealing. Its just that the digital term for this theft is piracy.

Again, get over yourself. To you, it's not theft. To me, it means less food on the table. It means working so people can take my shit without paying for it like they should.

And you wonder why devs use DRM with idiots like you "b-b-but it's not stealing!" Sure as shit is, son. It's just called "piracy".

As much as I don't agree with some of the things op is saying, I don't see how a poster can say these things to someone else and not get banned. It's baffling. Sure you're angry but I don't think it warrants calling someone and idiot and saying "fuck you".

There's gotta be a more constructive way to make your point.

 

[neto]

Random-ass question --

Can anyone identify what programs are tied to the icons on the taskbar + tray?

I'm a curious app-junkie/addict. I can identify a few:

Number 4 on the taskbar is foobar2000 and 8 on tray is hamachi

 

[luca_29_bg]

Well a small dev (not a big corporation) here got pirated to hell for his hardwork, threatening his ability to put food on the table. But you got Robin Hood excitement from this.

nope, i didn't mean that, i was referring, implicitly, to big pubblishers and cracker war for AAA games, of course, with drm online and new kind of protections that every tot time came out. For someone who follow the hacking scene, this whole story is fascinating, but of course i know is bad for software houses, and I know that small dev suffer much more than others from piracy!

 

[Renekton]

As much as I don't agree with some of the things op is saying, I don't see how a poster can say these things to someone else and not get banned. It's baffling. Sure you're angry but I don't think it warrants calling someone and idiot and saying "fuck you".

There's gotta be a more constructive way to make your point.

Forum meta etiquette high road.

 

[luca_29_bg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9UiNivt3kQ

 

[Halfmunch]

Quite a questionable post, people should pay for the hobby they love. It's straight up theft, games digital or retail cost money to make. It's also weird that a well respected forum would allow, "how to steal games" type posts.

Sorry it's just my opinion, I feel bad for all the developers who work hard on a great game just to have it downloaded for free.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Quite a questionable post, people should pay for the hobby they love. It's straight up theft, games digital or retail cost money to make. It's also weird that a well respected forum would allow, "how to steal games" type posts.

Sorry it's just my opinion, I feel bad for all the developers who work hard on a great game just to have it downloaded for free.

Completely agree. The mental and linguistic gymnastics people go through in order to justify piracy is inane.

 

[Woo-Fu]

Find it entertaining that people think this is a failure on Denuvo's part. This is just another Steam bypass, it is a failure on Valve's part.

Also get a kick out of people who quibble that piracy isn't theft, as if that somehow ducks the morality question. Then again I suppose some people can rationalize anything otherwise Trump wouldn't be the Republican nomination.

 

[WaterAstro]

Denuvo is DOOMED!

 

[OmegaX06]

Find it entertaining that people think this is a failure on Denuvo's part. This is just another Steam bypass, it is a failure on Valve's part.

Also get a kick out of people who quibble that piracy isn't theft, as if that somehow ducks the morality question. Then again I suppose some people can rationalize anything otherwise Trump wouldn't be the Republican nomination.

Not really. It's exploiting denuvo's activation servers in combination with the fact that they released a free Doom demo on steam.

 

[Jacksinthe]

Sorry but "idiot" you can keep for you, you don't know me, and you're accusing me for nothing, because, still, you don't know me. It's enough for me to stop to understand the rest, even if it's a valid point, because of your arrogance!

Yes. I'm arrogant because I expect people to pay for things and not steal them.

Many (like me) would say that you're wrong again, since "taking" implies "taking away". The original is untouched, it is not being taken.

I get that you're a dev, but just yelling SEMANTICS doesn't mean that for many if not most people, digital piracy is NOT accurately described as "stealing" or "taking".



I feel the same about your opinion. You're not the arbiter of language here (or anywhere).

Yes. My work is being taken when it should be paid for. My artist's work is being taken when it should be paid for. My musician's work is being taken when it should be paid for.

And, yes, semantics is the argument. Piracy is stealing someone else's work. It's not paying for it when you should be paying for it.

Period.

eh this whole 1 download=1 lost sale thing has been disproven long ago
yeah piracy is immoral but that money argument is presumptuous as fuck

Of course not. But we have data from multiple devs showing sharp drops in sales day and date a torrent/crack goes live.

Stick your head in the sand all you want but PLENTY of pirates do it because they don't want to pay for it, not out of "preservation".

Don't be naive.

As much as I don't agree with some of the things op is saying, I don't see how a poster can say these things to someone else and not get banned. It's baffling. Sure you're angry but I don't think it warrants calling someone and idiot and saying "fuck you".

There's gotta be a more constructive way to make your point.

It's been made countless times. Look at what I just wrote write above your quote. I've written several posts in the past detailing the BS as nice as I possibly could to no avail.

And I really don't care about etiquette when it comes to people advocating for piracy or happy about cracks.

I play games, too. I want legit preservation and in the case when you can't buy a game proper or servers shut down then something needs to be done. But advocating for cracks on games still in the retail space is bull-fucking-shit.

A spade is a spade, son. I don't have to be kind to anyone who supports that bullshit because it actually HURTS developers. We put in our fucking time so you can enjoy a hobby. MANY of us both indie and AAA don't deserve anyone's time but for us who don't throw on DRM, who don't try to rake people over the coals with bullshit sales tactics and DLC - we get no pat on the back for doing good work and no benefit of the doubt.

You want to know who piracy fucks the most? Devs like me. Who work 2 fuckingg jobs so I can afford to hire people so I don't have to put my work on YOUR back with crowdfunding.

The least you can do is not steal my shit if you aren't interested in the game or cough up the couple of fucking dollars to play it. Nobody is that broke and if they are, you shouldn't be wasting your money on hobbies - you should be scraping to put food on the table, not take it out of someone else's fucking mouth.

You, too, get over yourself.

 

[D1AMONDDOGS]

Doom is so worth the money that after I finished the PS4 version on Ultra-Violence, I built a $1300 PC to play it on Nightmare.*



*also to play a million cool indie games I've heard about on steam

 

[Mononoaware]

Hey, what's going on in this thread....

 

[ItsDorf]

4. Foobar
8. Discord
12. Whats app (in purple)
14. Trillian Instant messenger


Tray.

3. Discord
10. Whats app
11. Trillian

 

[Sgt. Pinback]

eh this whole 1 download=1 lost sale thing has been disproven long ago
yeah piracy is immoral but that money argument is presumptuous as fuck

I find posts like these absolutely hilarious.

It really doesn't take an MBA from Harvard to understand that 'someone playing your game without paying for it because they can' is a far more damaging situation for a developer or publisher than 'someone playing your game after paying you for your work'.

I also find it crazy that on one hand, we have PC enthusiasts clamouring for PC ports, full-featured PC games, and DRM-free PC software, while simultaneously popping the champagne when a completely legitimate anti-piracy technology has been subverted. You can't have it both ways, and the massive impact that piracy has on the commercial viability of the PC should never be ignored. It is real.

 

[ghostjoke]

Normally I'm on the side that is happy when a game is cracked, but reading about how this works - using the demo as a workaround - this doesn't have much benefit to preservation long-term and serves only to benefit the people who have no intention of ever paying for it to get in, get out before the exploit on Steam is fixed.

Still having to log into a Steam account for a single player game is not what I want from a crack. It's progress, but Doom still isn't getting my money until a fully fledged offline crack appears. And to the idiots who always appear in these threads, no, I'm not planning on using the crack for any purpose.

Please correct if I have been reading wrong information about how this crack functions. It seems to be a loophole that could be fixed server-side.

 

[Japanmanx3]

4. Foobar
8. Discord
12. Whats app (in purple)
14. Trillian Instant messenger


Tray.

3. Discord
10. Whats app
11. Trillian

No that's Viber in purple. Not WhatsApp.

 

[Alucrid]

Technically speaking it's not a steal, but a copy of the original, semantic or not. This doesn't mean that it's right, but it's not stealing, at least for me. If someone steal me my phone, i don't have a phone anymore, while in the digital world if someone steal a software, the original software will still be available to anyone. For me there is difference!

pretty sure we know how you feel after posting about your pirated copy of dragon's dogma

 

[Kard8p3]

I have literally zero interest in pirating this game, and will 100% buy it at some point in the future since people really like it.

But it doesn't mean I'm not super glad a crack exists.

I agree?

I have said a few times in the thread I don't like Denuvo, I just want this awesome game to continue to sell.

 

[Easy_D]

I find posts like these absolutely hilarious.

It really doesn't take an MBA from Harvard to understand that 'someone playing your game without paying for it because they can' is a far more damaging situation for a developer or publisher than 'someone playing your game after paying you for your work'.

I also find it crazy that on one hand, we have PC enthusiasts clamouring for PC ports, full-featured PC games, and DRM-free PC software, while simultaneously popping the champagne when a completely legitimate anti-piracy technology has been subverted. You can't have it both ways, and the massive impact that piracy has on the commercial viability of the PC should never be ignored. It is real.

Anti piracy software hasn't proven to actually increase sales at all though.

 

[NBtoaster]

Anti piracy software hasn't proven to actually increase sales at all though.

If that were true Denuvo wouldn't be so popular.

 

[JustSomeone]

People are still pirating games in 2016 ?
What's wrong with you people?

I've removed DRM from a ton of games over the years. Games I paid for. Yes, Denuvo cracks are good news and not necessarily related to stealing.

I play old games constantly, it fucking sucks having to troubleshoot and circumvent dated DRM garbage, but at least the community provides the tools to do so.

Why would you have to mess with the DRM for games you paid for?

 

[Odrion]

Anti piracy software hasn't proven to actually increase sales at all though.

Because you can't really measure it. Your game is either DRM'd up or there's a cracked version on Pirate Bay, you can't put a game out DRM free and then patch it in nor can you sell a DRM free version next to a DRM version and expect the game to not be uploaded.

 

[prudislav]

Put it to you this way: our 99c game was pirated enough to buy about 20 PS4s if less than half of those pirates bought our game. The reality is that I didn't make enough to buy even a single PS4.

I dont know why but at this moment thing I am most curious about is what this game is :-D

Cracking things like Denuvo is probably why we have to keep up with always online on some games. Good luck trying to crack or preserve that.

nah ... look at Hitman or Diablo III ..and what the devs said about them ..... MP or awesomesauce pseudo-social features (+ aůso the hidden telemetry stff) are reason for it(like in caseof online-only xbone) not piracy or whatever

Normally I'm on the side that is happy when a game is cracked, but reading about how this works - using the demo as a workaround - this doesn't have much benefit to preservation long-term and serves only to benefit the people who have no intention of ever paying for it to get in, get out before the exploit on Steam is fixed.

Still having to log into a Steam account for a single player game is not what I want from a crack. It's progress, but Doom still isn't getting my money until a fully fledged offline crack appears. And to the idiots who always appear in these threads, no, I'm not planning on using the crack for any purpose.

Please correct if I have been reading wrong information about how this crack functions. It seems to be a loophole that could be fixed server-side.

pretty much this, woundnt have time to play it at this point anyway

 

[Sanpei]

Thanks op..This is great news....

So Denuvo can go f..k itself...i hate that protection system...

 

[jellies_two]

Anti piracy software hasn't proven to actually increase sales at all though.

Ugh what business is it of the consumers to decide that though?
You put effort into a product and it sinks or swims based on its sales and revenue then a bunch of entitled customers tell you with a smirk: no, you have no right to charge *us* for it, because we would never have bought it anyway, so we are gonna distribute/crack/reverse it, because *we* have decided you picked the wrong business model and *we* don't like your choice. And then people get mad because a publisher admits they don't actually love It that their products get pirated within days.
Just. Ugh.

 

[R00bot]

This is great news for game preservation.

Tbh I don't expect many people to pirate this game as having a PC that can run this means you have enough money to buy the game.

 

[hitsugi]

People are still pirating games in 2016 ?

Yes, they do. That's why we have this thread.

It's always interesting to see DRM get defeated although so far Denuvo has not been directly cracked with a method that carries on to other Denuvo-protected titles (I think). Still the strongest choice out there.

 

[JustSomeone]

Piracy = preservation is such a stupid argument.
A game is cracked and suddenly everyone is a video games curator.

 

[Odrion]

Piracy = preservation is such a stupid argument.
A game is cracked and suddenly everyone is a video games curator.

I'm dead.

 

[jellies_two]

Piracy = preservation is such a stupid argument.
A game is cracked and suddenly everyone is a video games curator.

It's the millennials version of "backup".
Remember that. Anyone know how I can "backup" such and such. You know, so I can put the original disc somewhere safe, and just play the "backup".

 

[Dremark]

But I thought denuvo was going to kill piracy gaf?

I don't think anyone was saying it was going to straight out kill piracy. Basically it works well enough to protect the game during the first several months of release.

Even in this case (assuming the crack is legit) it's done that. Doom has been out for about 3 months.

 

[Lothars]

Piracy = preservation is such a stupid argument.
A game is cracked and suddenly everyone is a video games curator.

It's the millennials version of "backup".
Remember that. Anyone know how I can "backup" such and such. You know, so I can put the original disc somewhere safe, and just play the "backup".

No it's a completely valid avenue to look from. I know you guys are being "cool" but to discount it is insane.

 

[Sgt. Pinback]

Anti piracy software hasn't proven to actually increase sales at all though.

That's a spurious claim at best, but if we assume for argument's sake that you're right - so? So what?

This idea that it is somehow amoral of a publisher to rely on anything other than the honour system regarding piracy, since besides - this is all REALLY about video game preservation - is absolutely ludicrous.

Every publisher is absolutely within their rights to protect their software as they see fit. That includes with 'intrusive' (hah!) DRM solutions such as Denuvo.

And, in response, you are completely within your rights to say 'I do not want to pay for software with unacceptable DRM solutions, so I am going to go without these games'.

What you do not have the right to do, however, is throw out preposterous arguments which attempt to paper over the fact that at the end of the day, you are using a product that you have not paid for, which is amoral, reprehensible, and deeply damaging to the industry.

This is why AAA PC development is basically non existent. I work around a lot of publishers, and they laugh when I ask about their PC revenue. Which is extremely sad - I love PC gaming, but threads like this remind me exactly why we're stuck with console ports of varying quality and indie games, neither of which push the barriers. Why pump millions into a platform with a userbase which encourages participants to simply help themselves to your software, while having the temerity to show righteous indignation at any attempts to stop them?

 

[Sgt. Pinback]

No it's a completely valid avenue to look from. I know you guys are being "cool" but to discount it is insane.

So, in your mind, are people who haven't paid for Doom simply downloading a cracked version of the game, putting it on a USB drive somewhere, and not playing it until they have purchased a legitimate copy, at which point they'll be able to buy the game safe in the knowledge that it has been preserved through deactivated DRM?

 

[Odrion]

I mean if we're talking about archiving games then Denuvo or other DRM encryption can't be that much of a deal. In 2030 the CPU that will brute force the DRM will certainly exist.

 

[jellies_two]

No it's a completely valid avenue to look from. I know you guys are being "cool" but to discount it is insane.

It's a legitimate argument however it's being hijacked by multitudes looking for plausible cover for their actions. That's crystal clear.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

If you don't have the money then you don't get to play it.

If there is a person, who puts all he has into having an okay gaming PC, but may be living in a 3rd world country, mind you with insanely high costs for games especially when you include currency conversions, would it be so bad that now he/she has an opportunity to enjoy that game, that they wouldn't have been able to afford anyway. Considering they may live in a country where that money is needed for food/clothing/shelter/medicine etc.?

In a sense, they wouldn't have been able to purchase the game anyway, so why not let them enjoy whatever pleasure they can have by letting them play a video game. It might be the only source of enjoyment they can extract out of their poverty ridden lives.

Like, I'm fortunate to be a wealthy-enough American, so I can enjoy this hobby. But, if you're poor - then all of a sudden, fuck you no soup for you. Go outside and play with rocks??

Is it so bad that people who are unable to afford video games can have a way to play them and bring some happiness to their lives? They wouldn't have been able to purchase the game anyway so it's not really 'lost' revenue.

And I understand the counter points, that - just because you're poor that doesn't give you the right to steal a car, or a tv - I get that. But in the context of a video game forum where we all love video games, and many of us can afford to purchase these graphics cards, TV's, consoles, and games - why would we become so antagonistic against those who also want to enjoy games but are less fortunate.

I would ask a developer, if there is a person who cannot by any reasonable metric consistently purchase video games that may be even more expensive than 60 USD converted to their currency, wouldn't you rather just let that person still be able to enjoy your creative work? Again, and I stress this for individuals that wouldn't have been able to buy the game anyway. And look, you might say - it's a video game, not food - or medication, or a vaccine. But those are things important for sustaining the body, but can it also be argued that video games help sustain the mind, the soul - they bring happiness right?

By the way I'm just trying to 'see' the reasoning behind the Topic Creator's statements. Ultimately at the end of the day - a crime is a crime and shouldn't be tolerated. So don't kill me on this. Just trying to see it at a different angle.

 

[Sgt. Pinback]

If there is a person, who puts all he has into having an okay gaming PC, but may be living in a 3rd world country, mind you with insanely high costs for games especially when you include currency conversions, would it be so bad that now he/she has an opportunity to enjoy that game, that they wouldn't have been able to afford anyway. Considering they may live in a country where that money is needed for food/clothing/shelter/medicine etc.?

So... you're arguing that paying for video games should be optional, because some people can't afford them? Essentially, you believe that Activision should set up some kind of charity-based system where the protection of their IP is scaled on a case-by-case basis, and if your median income doesn't exceed a certain threshold, then copyright no longer applies to you?

Yeah, nah. Pretty sure life doesn't work like that. I don't care if you're 'too poor'. I'm too poor to buy a Ferrari - does that mean I get to walk into the dealership and drive away with one? After all, I wasn't ever going to buy one anyway.

 

[Maxximo]

pretty sure we know how you feel after posting about your pirated copy of dragon's dogma

Ahah that explains a lot.

Keep thieving OP but at least stop trying to make it look good.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

So... you're arguing that paying for video games should be optional, because some people can't afford them? Essentially, you believe that Activision should set up some kind of charity-based system where the protection of their IP is scaled on a case-by-case basis, and if your median income doesn't exceed a certain threshold, then copyright no longer applies to you?

Yeah, nah. Pretty sure life doesn't work like that. I don't care if you're 'too poor'. I'm too poor to buy a Ferrari - does that mean I get to walk into the dealership and drive away with one? After all, I wasn't ever going to buy one anyway.

Okay, so you went straight to the ever so famous Ferrari <-> video game piracy argument.

Are we really going to crutch our argument on the notion - that if you're less fortunate in this world, then you are not entitled or respected at any notion to enjoy any form of entertainment in your life?

Should we just give people on welfare calorie sludge packs? Nope, you can't have nice things so put that ice cream back! You're poor.

Why are we bringing out pitch forks to people less fortunate. It's a game, it's meant to be played - and enjoyed. And really as far as asset protection goes I'm sure that's mostly related to scenarios where there is potential revenue involved. There are entire nations out there in which there is next to zero revenue expectation given the price of games and the economical climate in that situation.

In fact, you bring up something. Video game companies should create charitable avenues so that those less fortunate can still somehow play their games. I'd think that would be a tremendously nice thing, and we do in a sense see that with Humble Bundle. But I'd hope at more regularity on more recent / newer titles.

Yeah, nah. Pretty sure life doesn't work like that. I don't care if you're 'too poor'.

In a lot of ways life does work like that. A health care provider renders services even if an individual cannot afford it for example. There are a lot of instances in society where we provide service to even those who can't normally afford it. And I believe that enjoyment in certain things such as video games is as important as some of those things.

I'm just looking at the whole "Robin Hood" thing the tropic creator brought up. Look I get it, services rendered require financial compensation. So, yeah - I guess that's that. Can't afford it, then too bad.

 

[Sgt. Pinback]

Okay, so you went straight to the ever so famous Ferrari <-> video game piracy argument.

Are we really going to crutch our argument on the notion - that if you're less fortunate in this world, then you are not entitled or respected at any notion to enjoy any form of enjoyment in your life?

Should we just give people on welfare calorie sludge packs? Nope, you can't have nice things so put that ice cream back! You're poor.

You conveniently neglected to address my argument.

Do you believe that paying for video games should be optional, and if someone's median income doesn't reach a certain threshold, they should not be expected to pay for Black Ops 3, or Destiny? Should they be given complimentary hardware as well? Should the government be treating access to video games as a basic human right?

You seem to be arguing that to expect the people who consume games to pay for them is some kind of violation of their basic human dignity if they cannot afford to, and that suggesting that perhaps studios should not be expected to behave as charities is a vision of an inhumane dystopia.

Should we just give people on welfare calorie sludge packs? Nope, you can't have nice things so put that ice cream back! You're poor.

So, you seem to believe that expecting people to pay for their video games - and expecting them to go without if they cannot - is similar to denying them access to food.

I mean, I've seem some wild arguments in favour of piracy, but this one is really out there.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

You conveniently neglected to address my argument.

Should the government be treating access to video games as a basic human right?

So, you seem to believe that expecting people to pay for their video games - and expecting them to go without if they cannot - is similar to denying them access to food.

I'm not making an argument for piracy in the manner you describe, I'm just bringing up a point that if somebody who can't afford to purchase a game anyway due to unfortunate life circumstances (i.e, being poor particularly in a poverty heavy country) shouldn't be demonized. Especially since there is no loss of revenue. I'm also making the point that yes - one's ability to have some entertainment in their life is crucial, extremely so.

Should the government be treating access to video games as a basic human right?

It's interesting, the government actually does pay for a lot of social programs that aren't as essential as food. Would it be so wrong for those who are less fortunate to be provided some means of entertainment. For them to allowed to, I don't know - play a video game once in awhile. Would it, be so wrong for Sony, or MS, or Steam to send out PS4's, gaming ready PC's and Steam pre-paid cards to those less fortunate around the world? Really, I guess I'm not making the argument in regards to piracy in poor social circles, but rather the importance of getting games in the hands of as many people as possible. Even to those who can't afford it.