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The Force Unleashed's Absurd Protagonist Almost Returned for Star Wars: Rebels
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Dash_Riprock
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George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Seductivpancakes
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Give Kyle Katarn a nod first.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
They almost had Revan in Clone Wars too.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
How do you polish diarrhea though?
Too OP, angst, OW the edge etc
But he had a solid character arc and I liked his relationship with Vader.
He is no worse then any other Star Wars characters. Just people put the property on a pedestal and blind to how poopoo it is.
Not Clone wars or Rebels, them and the Thawn books are the best the IP has ever been.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
This legitimately makes me sad.
You kinda have to see it, Maul is a broken man, but at the same time he is more dangerous then the sith and jedi because he realize the force is all bullshit.
Baron von Loathsome
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Principate
Saint Titanfall
Basically a teenage self insert for a "badass" firce user complete with insertion in the canon in an obnoxious way. So like most VG main characters really.
ShadowSwordmaster
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Considering why he was going to be their in the first place, it didn't really make any sense. At least we got Bane in their.
SofNasciment-
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That he wasn't or that he almost was?
KeyBladerXIII
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Anything to keep Sam Witwer in Star Wars. I love the dude.
I wouldn't mind seeing other aspects of Force Unleashed being reworked into the canon. PROXY, Juno, Raxus Prime, etc. Kanan in Rebels is practically a reworked Rahm Kota.
I wouldn't mind seeing other aspects of Force Unleashed being reworked into the canon. PROXY, Juno, Raxus Prime, etc. Kanan in Rebels is practically a reworked Rahm Kota.
Cross-Section
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I think people are less mad about Starkiller the actual character and more about how nonsensically critical to the backstory of the OT they ended up making him.
Like they literally ended up making his family crest the Alliance symbol in memory of his sacrifice in the first game.
Like they literally ended up making his family crest the Alliance symbol in memory of his sacrifice in the first game.
Pop-O-Matic
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I was referring to Starkiller.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Sam does a wonderful job as the voice of Emperor Palpatine.
I'm glad he didn't.
I enjoyed the first Force Unleashed as a moderately entertaining video game and I really like Sam Witwer as an actor, but I really couldn't stand how that series essentially transformed the force from an introspective, spiritual energy into some utterly deranged, Dragon Ball-Z esque superpower which you could use to pull Star Destroyers out of the sky, whilst blasting it out at thousands of stormtroopers at a time. For me, the outrageously silly nature of Starkiller as a character in general sort of demeaned the whole universe, whilst making all the other Jedi characters like Luke and Anakin look hilariously underpowered in comparison.
I enjoyed the first Force Unleashed as a moderately entertaining video game and I really like Sam Witwer as an actor, but I really couldn't stand how that series essentially transformed the force from an introspective, spiritual energy into some utterly deranged, Dragon Ball-Z esque superpower which you could use to pull Star Destroyers out of the sky, whilst blasting it out at thousands of stormtroopers at a time. For me, the outrageously silly nature of Starkiller as a character in general sort of demeaned the whole universe, whilst making all the other Jedi characters like Luke and Anakin look hilariously underpowered in comparison.
Seductivpancakes
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Him not being canon makes me sad.
Me too
Considering how good TCW/Rebels has been at fleshing out and improving the worst parts of the prequels and reintroducing EU characters to the canon, I would have actually liked to see this. I always liked Starkiller's character, and more Witwer is never a bad thing.
Edit: how is Starkiller edgy, anyway? I was replaying the first Force Unleashed a few months ago and he doesn't come across as edgy at all. Yeah the box art has him making an angry face, but in the game itself I don't recall him doing anything that would put in the same category as Shadow the Hedgehog.
Edit: how is Starkiller edgy, anyway? I was replaying the first Force Unleashed a few months ago and he doesn't come across as edgy at all. Yeah the box art has him making an angry face, but in the game itself I don't recall him doing anything that would put in the same category as Shadow the Hedgehog.
SofNasciment-
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GuitarAtomik
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Didn't realize he voices Maul. But yeah. Including Starkiller doesn't make sense unless he's a huge player (hero or villain) and downplaying him to something less would defeat the purpose of including him at all beyond a fun nod.
JonnyDBrit
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Well, he's sort of like the prince that was denied his throne, and the show uses that to make for a compelling dark side character outside of the traditional master-apprentice relationship. He's still evil of course, but his motivations are rooted in all that he was promised and how he was personally scorned, which in turn makes him the perfect foil for Obi-Wan in a way that people could have only hoped for at the end of Phantom Menace.
On topic, I think a reworked Starkiller could have possibly worked, but A) That's potentially an oversaturation of Sam Witwer for one show and B) I feel like you'd either have to drop the Grand inquisitor from the show for Starkiller to serve as the equivalent, or position him as more of a longterm rival to either Kanan or Ezra, starting as a younger inquisitor but becoming more powerful and more like his Legends self as time went on. Which, I mean, could actually work since the Rebels Jedi are rather lacking for arch-enemies - Vader's somewhat too impersonal and beyond their scope, Thrawn's more Hera's enemy - but it would mean taking up a good chunk of the show's already pretty stretched air time to build him up.
Edit:
The sad thing is that shit was already kinda tame by the time the game came out, it's just EU nonsense hadn't really bled into the mainstream at the time.
LastGamer84
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Meh, video game protagonists are sometimes broken. The novels for the games essentially boiled it down to him not being trained to perceive limits to the force. Vader at one point drugged him and left him in a pit to be killed by beasts. While paralyzed, he had to figure out how to use the force to get himself out of the situation.
That's only a portion of what he went through as a child. If you were raised by Darth Vader you'd probably be OP compared to someone who grew up on a moisture farm. It took a huge amount of effort for him to pull that Star Destroyer down.
PersonAndStuff
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I'm all for Crashdown getting more work.
Didn't the Old Republic do some really weird stuff with Revan fairly recently? Like, he ended up becoming evil once more before trying to take over the universe again? Then again, I guess that game isn't exactly canon anymore either.
Starkiller, the name, just sounds dope as hell. I think George Lucas planned on making Luke's last name Starkiller but changed it to Skywalker.
I'm really disappointed Disney made the new Death Planet and dubbed it Starkiller base or whatever. I was hoping down the line we would see a reimagining of the Starkiller character. Rework him to better fit the new universe.
I'm really disappointed Disney made the new Death Planet and dubbed it Starkiller base or whatever. I was hoping down the line we would see a reimagining of the Starkiller character. Rework him to better fit the new universe.
JonnyDBrit
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Sort of. Basically, IIRC, the idea is that Revan's centuries long torture at the hand of the Emperor kinda broke him, splitting him into a light side version that became one with the force and a force ghost, while his dark side got to keep the body and attempted to 'solve' the problem of the Sith Empire by way of genocide with a... I can't remember if it was a nanovirus or a droid army. Something like that. Why yes, Revan has enough dark and light side for two people because he's Grey Jedi Jesus.
IdreamofHIME
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Damn, thats a shame.
Best character in Soul Calibur 4.
Best character in Soul Calibur 4.
That doesn't change the fact the protagonist was broken. Nor does it change the fact the character essentially had to break all the previously established rules of the universe that surrounded him to operate the way that he did.
I don't really feel that having an abusive childhood is really a valid enough in-universe justification for the character being able to toss Darth Vader around like a dog toy.
KeyBladerXIII
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TFA took the Starkiller name and Rogue One took the Apprentice's real name, Galen. So if they ever brought him back, they'd have to really rework him.
cartographer
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It was needlessly complicated and dumb. I think the easiest way to explain it is
part of him dies, but the evil part of him survives and murders all his followers, makes new followers, tries to make an army and then in the midst of being defeated gets visited by the dead part who convinces the evil part to die and merge spirits or some shit.
Nah, Revan is one of the best examples of what was wrong with the old EU. He couldn't just be a character from a video game (and some comics), he had to get shoehorned into everything else (in fairness, a lot of that done by Drew Karpynshyn who loved shoving his creation into everything). And he only got worse as a character after the first game and comic books. He's best treated as the sort of blank slate those two pieces of media treated him as and then left alone.
MugiwaraCole
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King Murder Explosion>>>>>Starkiller