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The issue of using Xbox One as an "semi" offline console.

FZW said:
When PSN went down last Christmas, the only console I couldnt play was the PS4. Downloadable games require the internet to call home on that system after a period of time offline.

If you ask me, This is not just an Xbox issue.
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PS4 provides a "secondary console" function that allows you to access your digital library from other PS4s, and this is an "always online" feature (for obvious DRM reasons).

But if you're using a PS4 which is set as the primary console for the digital library, the console does not need to call home in order to play games.
 
Gamezone said:
I think the PS4 deals with this from the disc.I need to research this a bit more, but if its true im getting rid of my Xbox One.
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Yeah, if it's not working out for your needs, gotta do what you gotta do. Completely understandable.

benny_a said:
PS4 has no games, so that question is strange

But if it had some, they would be on the disc:
http://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/system-updates/ps4/
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:D

Probably something that MS needs to address then, it's weird that it's not on the disc. I just assumed it was the same as 360 (DD only Xbox One over here).
 
Wereroku said:
Broadband now requires a 20 meg connection. I bet the US rate is under 50% with that classification change.
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Actually, it's 25 Mbps. But whatever.

Basically, if I made a topic to the effect of:

"Guys, four or five months out of the year, I like to take my console to my house up state. Unfortunately, it only has an old CRT TV (or an older HDTV that didn't support HDMI -- they're out there). In the past, this was no problem, because the Xbox 360 supported composite cables. But the Xbox One doesn't."

I'd probably just be told to go buy an HDTV.

Yet, if someone makes a similar comment about requiring a broadband connection, everyone is quick to say how dumb that is, and how companies should bend over backwards sending out patch discs and the like for these gamers.

It's a fair opinion to have, it just seems hypocritical.
 
HTupolev said:
PS4 provides a "secondary console" function that allows you to access your digital library from other PS4s, and this is an "always online" feature (for obvious DRM reasons).

But if you're using a PS4 which is set as the primary console for the digital library, the console does not need to call home in order to play games.
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It is my primary console. I dont share my account with anyone.
 
SMattera said:
Put another way, why is it reasonable to demand that you have electricity and a TV, but unreasonable to demand a reliable Internet connection? What is the difference between the two things? At this point, broadband Internet is almost as ubiquitous as electricity. Indeed, I can get Internet at my cabin by tethering my smartphone (but can't get electricity, because the utility company won't run lines that far into the woods).
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I think the difference between a basic living service such as electricity, and a luxury service like internet access, is pretty damn obvious.

In regards to needing a TV, most homes will have these regardless because of their use. They come in many shapes, sizes and prices, and can be purchased second hand, rather than a subscription payment every month, for a luxury service. I think the difference here is also pretty clear.

So the difference is that those two things are very much more common in homes, and very much more affordable, and very much more generally used. The world you live in where internet access is as basic a need and as common place as electricity, is not the same world everyone else lives in.
 
FZW said:
It is my primary console. I dont share my account with anyone.
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Then you have encountered a bug or you only think it is your primary console for that account while the system does not.

There is no phoning home going on with the PS4. I've used the same PS4 on several different continents without an Internet connection and they started just fine, as is in line with their description on how their system works.
 
SMattera said:
Actually, it's 25 Mbps. But whatever.

Basically, if I made a topic to the effect of:

"Guys, four or five months out of the year, I like to take my console to my house up state. Unfortunately, it only has an old CRT TV (or an older HDTV that didn't support HDMI -- they're out there). In the past, this was no problem, because the Xbox 360 supported composite cables. But the Xbox One doesn't."

I'd probably just be told to go buy an HDTV.

Yet, if someone makes a similar comment about requiring a broadband connection, everyone is quick to say how dumb that is, and how companies should bend over backwards sending out patch discs and the like for these gamers.

It's a fair opinion to have, it just seems hypocritical.
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Go buy a hdmi to composite. That's very solvable.
 
SMattera said:
Actually, it's 25 Mbps. But whatever.

Basically, if I made a topic to the effect of:

"Guys, four or five months out of the year, I like to take my console to my house up state. Unfortunately, it only has an old CRT TV (or an older HDTV that didn't support HDMI -- they're out there). In the past, this was no problem, because the Xbox 360 supported composite cables. But the Xbox One doesn't."

I'd probably just be told to go buy an HDTV.

Yet, if someone makes a similar comment about requiring a broadband connection, everyone is quick to say how dumb that is, and how companies should bend over backwards sending out patch discs and the like for these gamers.

It's a fair opinion to have, it just seems hypocritical.
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You're missing the actual point here, which is MS lied when they said you'd never need a connection after you applied the Day One patch.

If they'd told the truth, he wouldn't have bought it. You're blaming him for their lies.
 
FZW said:
It is my primary console. I dont share my account with anyone.
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Did you set it to primary when you set it up, and are you using it to access your own digital library?

My PS4 was without internet for a couple weeks recently, my library worked fine.
 
FZW said:
It is my primary console. I dont share my account with anyone.
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did you actually go into the PS4 UI and enable that option?

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Wow, seeing as MS introduced it in the first place with the 360, I really didn't expect Xbox One games that require OS updates to not have updates on the disc. Really big miscalculation on their part.
 
farisr said:
Wow, seeing as MS introduced it in the first place with the 360, I really didn't expect Xbox One games that require OS updates to not have updates on the disc. Really big miscalculation on their part.
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The problem of how to make sure people have the firmware on the system when the game requires a minimum specific firmware was never considered, because of the always online (or later the 24 hour check-in) nature of their system.

As a wise man once said you just can't flip a switch when policy changes are made.
 
Another issue is that you can't create new guest profiles unless you connect. If you only have created one account, you won't be able to play offline coop without hooking up your console online in order to create a new account. Also a none issue on PS4.
 
JohnnyFootball said:
This will NEVER happen. EVER.

What makes you think Sega wants to be liable if you brick your console for an update shipped on their game disc? That is absolutely one mess no publisher wants to deal with.

It will NEVER happen.
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that's what happened last gen.

why would a publisher be liable for a platform holder's update being on disks?
 
serversurfer said:
You're missing the actual point here, which is MS lied when they said you'd never need a connection after you applied the Day One patch.

If they'd told the truth, he wouldn't have bought it. You're blaming him for their lies.
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Jupp. But I won't make mistake again. If the PS4 deals with updates from the disc, im getting rid of my Xbox One. I also won't buy another Xbox ever again, because I simply can't trust them.
 
SMattera said:
I don't have electricity at my cabin, or a TV. So I can't play any console (except handhelds). Is that unreasonable?
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Electricity is ubiquitous. Internet access is not. In fact, it's fair to say that lack of electricity at your cabin is more of an aberration than lack of internet.

Xbone is not a special snowflake, and when the competition (hell, the previous console in the series, even!) is doing what you're not, that's not my problem.

TheYanger said:
To take it a step further, you mention GoG and Steam - how the hell did you download the games in the first place? This is literally ONLY a problem if you basically don't even attempt to install your games prior to leaving. Why is that ok when you're talking about Steam but not ok when you're talking about Xbox? you're holding the platforms to different standards.
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Sorry, that doesn't wash. HD size aside, I could install all of my Steam and GOG titles to my PC, pack up my shit and head into the prairie wilds without ever having to hook up to the internet again in order to play. Period, end of story.

Same goes for my 360 and games. PS4 and PS3. Genesis. N64. Amiga. C-64.

For some reason, the only one falling short of that standard every other platform can meet...is the one you're caping for.
 
Ebolarama said:
Additionally, the free games downloaded via PS+ are inaccessible in no-internet mode.
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Really?, I play my PS4 and Vita games offline all the time.

I think you only need the internet connection once to activate the game and the game keeps working until your PS+ exp due date. (Assuming you have a year worth of plus)
 
SMattera said:
I don't have electricity at my cabin, or a TV. So I can't play any console (except handhelds). Is that unreasonable?

Put another way, why is it reasonable to demand that you have electricity and a TV, but unreasonable to demand a reliable Internet connection? What is the difference between the two things? At this point, broadband Internet is almost as ubiquitous as electricity. Indeed, I can get Internet at my cabin by tethering my smartphone (but can't get electricity, because the utility company won't run lines that far into the woods).

Did you know more American households have broadband Internet than HDTVs? The Xbox One requires an HDTV, yet I rarely -- if ever -- see anyone complain about that. Why is that?

Basically, I just don't understand why requiring an Internet connection draws such hostility at this point in time. It isn't 1999.
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Are you trolling? You can`t turn on a TV without electricity, but you can play games without an online connection.
 
An Xbox One is simply not worth owning without a constant internet connection. That day 1 Halo patch affected the single player content as well, and there are plenty other examples like The Evil Within that are borderline broken without a day 1 patch.

Stick with the 360 if you want an "offline" console.
 
brain_stew said:
An Xbox One is simply not worth owning without a constant internet connection. That day 1 Halo patch affected the single player content as well, and there are plenty other examples like The Evil Within that are borderline broken without a day 1 patch.

Stick with the 360 if you want an "offline" console.
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Broken games isn`t Microsoft or Sony`s problem. This could easily have happened on older consoles as well.
 
Gamezone said:
Jupp. But I won't make mistake again. If the PS4 deals with updates from the disc, im getting rid of my Xbox One. I also won't buy another Xbox ever again, because I simply can't trust them.
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Looks pretty clear that updates are on the disc according to Sony's website. I know at least some of my early games had them on disc. I don't know about recent games.
 
josecitoxnyo said:
No, you can't even check your trophies offline, it's a freaking file and you can't access to it without an internet connection. Also if you have'nt set your PSN account as primary, a lof of games don't even work or what's even worse, they keep spamming your screen with the "you need internet" message.

Both consoles, you can add the Vita too, suck offline.
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Considering the ps4 is set as primary console when you set it up. I haven't had any issues playing games offline. Also I think the ability to play a game is more important than a trophy list to most.
 
You can check trophies but not link them with all of your PSN devices offline can't you? I do that all the time on Vita, assumed it was the same on PS4 as I vaguely recall checking a list during the Xmas outage.

fcobento said:
Or at least put the version that complies with the game in the disk...
You need version 3 to play Alien Isolation? Put the version 3 on the disk...
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100% this.

That's how it was on the PS3 and PSP. That's how it should be with every console/hand held device.

No excuse.
 
josecitoxnyo said:
No, you can't even check your trophies offline, it's a freaking file and you can't access to it without an internet connection. Also if you have'nt set your PSN account as primary, a lof of games don't even work or what's even worse, they keep spamming your screen with the "you need internet" message.

Both consoles, you can add the Vita too, suck offline.
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Huh? I've had no issues playing my offline ps4 and vita games offline.
 
Gamezone said:
Jupp. But I won't make mistake again. If the PS4 deals with updates from the disc, im getting rid of my Xbox One. I also won't buy another Xbox ever again, because I simply can't trust them.
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I'm sure you'll enjoy your new PS4! Gonna get one in time for Bloodborne?
 
Gamezone said:
I know this doesn`t affect most people, but 4-5 months each year im either working in the military or on a boat. These months I have very limited access to the internet, if any access at all. This isn`t something new. I`ve been working like this for many years, and was always very satisfied with using Xbox 360 "semi" offline. This was never any problem, because I rarely play online.
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"Well fortunately, we have a product for people like you and it's called Xbox 360."
 
JigglesBunny said:
"Well fortunately, we have a prouduct for people like you and it's called Xbox 360."
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This is probably the comment that pushed me over the edge into never considering a purchase of the console. That and the "why the hell would I live there" comment. That level of arrogance and dismissal of legitimate concerns from otherwise loyal customers was and is unacceptable.
 
Gamezone said:
Yeah, I know. But Microsoft acted like if they were the only choice.
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Well, yeah. A company isn't going to tell people to buy a product that directly competes with the one it's trying to sell. "Buy an X360!" doesn't help sell X1s but it does keep people within the general Xbox ecosystem.
 
FZW said:
It is my primary console. I dont share my account with anyone.
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I don`t know what is causing this, but you should be able to play them while PSN is down. Xbox One had the same problem, but I was able to solve. Not that it has anything to do with my issue. :)
 
Allforce said:
Along the same lines I'm sort of salty about the flip side of the coin. They said I could keep this Xbox One console in standby and never have to worry about having to manually download the latest updates and patches for my games. I've got every setting ticked for the console to do this yet I fired up Killer Instinct the other day for the first time in about 5-6 weeks and was greeted with "Hey there's an update! 1.9 GB".

What the fuck? Isn't this stuff supposed to be seamlessly downloaded as it's released behind the scenes?
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Hilariously enough the Wii U is best of all three of them at background downloading updates. Got to wait until you launch the program to apply them but the updates are always sitting there for you already downloaded.
 
benny_a said:
PS4 has no games, so that question is strange

But if it had some, they would be on the disc:
http://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/system-updates/ps4/
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Im suprised how easy Sony made this. If this was possible on my Xbox One, I would have my brother to ship me these updates on a storage device. Not that it matters anyway, because they are also included on the gaming discs. I know that Xbox One has an offline update diagnostic tool, but it`s not meant for that purpose.
 
boredandlazy said:
Using electricity analogies in regards to online requirements of certain consoles? What is this, 2013?
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Electricity is absolutely necessary to power up the console to play games just as internet is equally necessary to play offline games. Makes perfect, logical sense to me man.

I don't get mad when I can't play my console when I'm hanging out at my amish friend's cabin or whatever; why should you be if internet is a requirement? If you don't have internet ever, for any reason, it's like you're amish. Come on it's 2015!
 
Jomjom said:
Electricity is absolutely necessary to power up the console to play games just as internet is equally necessary to play offline games. Makes perfect, logical sense to me man.

I don't get mad when I can't play my console when I'm hanging out at my amish friend's cabin or whatever; why should you be if internet is a requirement? If you don't have internet ever, for any reason, it's like you're amish. Come on it's 2015!
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Anyway, it`s not like Microsoft ever said that you could play on Xbox One without electricity, but they did say that you could play offline without ever connecting it again.
 
Gamezone said:
Im suprised how easy Sony made this. If this was possible on my Xbox One, I would have my brother to ship me these updates on a storage device. Not that it matters anyway, because they are also included on the gaming discs. I know that Xbox One has an offline update diagnostic tool, but it`s not meant for that purpose.
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So, not only is the required OS not on the disc, you can't even update with a thumb drive? I just assumed that wasn't an option for you since you had no way to download and install it to the drive. So literally the only way to update it and play new games it is to let it report to MS?
 
serversurfer said:
So, not only is the required OS not on the disc, you can't even update with a thumb drive? I just assumed that wasn't an option for you since you had no way to download and install it to the drive. So literally the only way to update it and play new games it is to let it report to MS?
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The only way is to connect the console online, while the PS4 lets you do this trough USB or gaming disc.

Gonna grab myself a new PS4 and Vita later today.
 
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