Garrett Hawke
Member
it's really not.
there are many games which look and run better at higher resolutions on the pro. as always, it's the software, not the hardware.
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The Last Guardian PS4 vs PS4 Pro Graphics Comparison + Frame-Rate Test
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there are many games which look and run better at higher resolutions on the pro. as always, it's the software, not the hardware.
SumptuousLemur
Banned
It is both.
If the game is mainly GPU dependent then it will run gloriously, but if it is more CPU dependent or needs a high use mix of both then that is where you see the games reducing in framerate in Pro mode.
Watch Dogs 2 is the best example since the big open world needs both GPU and CPU loads for the big world it has to constantly open and render. But since the Pro is mainly only a GPU upgrade, with the CPU upgrade being very minimal, you see the dips in framerate on Pro when running at 4K.
There is no real easy answer.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Goose_Se7en
Banned
I don't want to derail the thread but yes, it seems that this will be the new normal. Time will tell, and the 1st party games will be telling especially. GR2, Horizon, GoW 4 etc we'll see in 2017 how strict Sony is to making devs stick to their Pro/Base PS4 guidelines.
As a PS4 Pro owner with an upper tier led 4K set I'm all for the different options and steadier framerates etc but certainly not at the cost of base PS4 Pro owners. It is logical that the console with the better hardware would perform better in most cases. All I can say is that a PS4 Pro owner it would suck if devs would be limited because of the lcd being the base PS4.
So on the PS4 it runs pretty much constantly under 30FPS
Sad!
I fucking love this Trump gif, gets me every time.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I think the engine is doing more than people give it credit for. It is also probably using things that are not much explored in realtime graphics, and don't have well established optimization paths, that you can just read up on, from some previously done research.
In any case, it can run at fairly locked 30FPS on PS4Pro, so this is the first Team Ico game that offers both full res rendering and rock solid performance on a hardware available at the time of its release!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They said all games will work on OG PS4, they didn't specify to what capacity
Yeah, too awesome.
No, fucks are a Pro only feature. Sorry.
This is what I expected from this game honestly. Didn't they say PS3 was incapable of handling the game to their vision?
Wishmaster92
Member
I'm sorry, it was only a matter of time until it started happening.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I don't think the performance in 4K mode was that bad, from what was shown in your video. Doesn't drop below 27FPS, and it stuck to 30 most of the time. However, looking at previously released trailers, image quality is downright awful in 1080p mode! You can cut yourself on those blades of grass, there's seemingly zero AA applied to anything.
I'd love if you can post some uncompressed 4K screens and some 1080p screens from the same location, but I think the game must in fact look dramatically cleaner in 4K, unless they did add some good AA to the game since the last trailers were released. I really wish they'd offer something like 1440p mode that would stick to 30 and still offer some supersampling though.
Clocked a lot higher.
I know I'm still loving mine and will until PS5 releases.
Not gonna dive into the debate about the game originally being PS3 game and what not as the game did have improvements in areas (though it also is a lot behind other games in some areas, specifically materials and lighting)
But I can say that if this was any other developer and any other game people would have absolutely shat on the developers for this kind of performance. I mean look at the video there are sections where you only have the boy and a room and it runs at 25FPS there on base PS4.
But I can say that if this was any other developer and any other game people would have absolutely shat on the developers for this kind of performance. I mean look at the video there are sections where you only have the boy and a room and it runs at 25FPS there on base PS4.
KillerMan91
Member
Post like these make my head hurt. So now when one single game on original PS4 has significant framerate problems it's going to be a trend (and this is Team Ico game. All of their games have had huge framerate problems)? AC Unity happened in 2014 without Pro being in market.
Given the game's pedigree this shouldn't be a shock. Dropping to 20fps wasn't just an occasional thing with SotC, it's where you spent the majority of the game. Particularly tough and harrowing moments would often drop to 14fps. Continuing with that focus on artistic vision over stable frame rate was a foregone conclusion.
It's just that this time the remaster comes bundled with the main game if and when you pick up the Pro hardware.
Both previous games are more than 10 years old and came out on the PS2 and were doing things that were way too advanced for its time and didn't even exist in games on a hardware completely incapable of doing it (imitating HDR, Fur, object motion blur etc etc).
Just because thst happened then doesnt necessarily mean it's normal thst it happens now. In TLG you do have advanced stuff likeTrico but what about the rest? I gave an example of how the game was hitting 25FPS even when Trick was not on screen and the boy was alone in a room that is rather medium sized with low poly geometry by today's standards.
spookyfish
Gold Member
Thanks, OP.
Daffy Duck
Member
20-30fps on a standard PS4?
Uhm, OK, that's some pretty poor...optimisation? something else?
Uhm, OK, that's some pretty poor...optimisation? something else?
Garrett Hawke
Member
watch dogs 2 is already fixed, there is an easy answer. games will not run worse on the pro at higher resolution due to any cpu issues (?). it is over taxing the gpu and that is a software thing.
the cpu has very, very little to do with resolution.
Absolutely. Pro needs an OS firmware patch ASAP as this should've been the way to handle downsampling from the start. Leaving it up to developers to "turn on" downsampling was a huge mistake and we already see cases like Dishonored 2 where there is zero reason that downsampling shouldn't be enabled on 1080p but it's not there.
I like the Pro but I'm not happy at how Sony handled the firmware. It feels very amateur. I have a feeling Scorpio will be more professional and hopefully Sony will patch Pro a bunch to get the OS options we need.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Btw, I hope everyone's seen that follow up video Richard just put up about getting best performance on a Pro.
it's quite surprising that you need to change system level settings to change Pro features in this game. I'd imagine and hope *all* games, which allow it, would have easy to choose options and clear distinctions between them.
it's quite surprising that you need to change system level settings to change Pro features in this game. I'd imagine and hope *all* games, which allow it, would have easy to choose options and clear distinctions between them.
GustyGardens
Banned
It's a shame, especially because so many people have been waiting for this. Hopefully, they attempt to patch the game before release, but we'll see. I'm still sorta interested in it, and I'll probably opt-in for the 4K mode.
The review thread for this game is going to be a shit show, isn't it?
The review thread for this game is going to be a shit show, isn't it?
I think it's more the case of a highly ambitious game that went through development hell and is lucky to even be released. Especially with some pretty great scores.
Wait aren't Pro games mandated to run just like PS4 base hardware?
Incoming nerf patch for Pro to bring it down to 10-20fps
They're mandated to run the same or better. I don't think this "mandate" matters much, though, as there are a few games that run worse on the Pro.
Thankfully, most of those are now fixed. There are very few games left that actually run worse!
Somewhere out there is someone who bought PS3 and PS4 for TLG.
Life is funny that way.
Knack 2 will probably sell more though
Goose_Se7en
Banned
The consensus has always been that Sony is a hardware company so there's that.
You know, I just remembered forcing my PS3 to 720p when playing the SotC remaster to get a better framerate.
It's an Ueda tradition by this point!
Storm Chamber
Banned
Maybe the delays were justified after all
Cave Johnson
Member
Aww great. If there's one thing that can actually delay my experience of this game, its buying another damn console just to get the most solid of experiences. Ugh...
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
At this point I don't think there's any game left that performs worse on Pro on average now. TLoU framerate got improved on base PS4 on 60 FPS w/ the last patch (though it came with a resolution drop). Deus Ex runs better.
Skyrim on 4K is the only exception which drops a few frames as compared to OG. Would love to see what Bethesda do with Fallout.
Krusenstern
Banned
Oh god, it just occured to me; I hope they don't patch in forced downsampling into 1080p mode thus making the game run just as bad as in the other two cases.
AcademicSaucer
Member
I thought we were talking about framerate, my bad.
Garrett Hawke
Member
we... sort of were, so i can see how you got confused
one poster stated that the pro would have issues running games at higher resolution because it would also increase cpu load which isn't really true.
Wishmaster92
Member
At least offer the fucking option then? Is that really so hard?
dgrdsv
Member
Tbh I struggle to see anything in the videos which looks complex enough to not run in 30 fps on PS4. Remember, this is a PS3 game upgraded to PS4 we're talking about. The fact that it can't hold 30Hz in 1080p on OG PS4 is seriously mind boggling.
For comparison, TLOU has moved from 720p30 on PS3 to 1080p60(almost) on PS4. Makes you wonder how TLG was running on PS3 - was it 5 fps all the time?
EdwardTeach
Member
Agreed 900p locked 30 would be much better.
FunkyDealer
Banned
As a standard PS4 owner, I'm feeling a bit upset now. I've waited for this game for so long, and I'll have to buy new hardware again (PS3 to PS4) to play it smoothly. It's seriously making me concider a Pro.
It's also a bit odd that they've gone with 1900p when there's frequent framerate drops, instead of the more common 1800p or 1620. Both should offer much better visuals than 1080p, and less strain. Having the option to downsample would be nice as well...
It's also a bit odd that they've gone with 1900p when there's frequent framerate drops, instead of the more common 1800p or 1620. Both should offer much better visuals than 1080p, and less strain. Having the option to downsample would be nice as well...