SumptuousLemur
Banned
Yeah I am really confused why it doesn't allow it, especially since there is a 1080p30 mode as well for Pro owners.
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The Last Guardian PS4 vs PS4 Pro Graphics Comparison + Frame-Rate Test
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Yeah I am really confused why it doesn't allow it, especially since there is a 1080p30 mode as well for Pro owners.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
PS4 Pro is a joke. If I didn't have PSVR then I'd want to return it.
Other games like Tomb Raider and FFXV give you both.
But "Fuck you. Got mine.", right?
Other games like Tomb Raider and FFXV give you both.
But "Fuck you. Got mine.", right?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Thanks and wow - there appears to be ample amounts of AA in the 1080p mode now! I remember before in the trailers and screens released there was literally no AA in the game at all. Thankfully that seem to have changed.
*edit* also, the first screen in your comparison looks busted in 4K.
Well .. The Last of Us runs at double the frame rate at 1080p
Also Rise of TR has some drops to 27~ running in 4K specifically in the geothermal valley area, the enriched 1080p mode is pretty much rock solid at 30.
The decision to lock it at 30 could be an intentional decision too, like how they locked the ps3 remasters of Ico and Shadow to 30 FPS as well (also, i don't believe for a second, going by performance otherwise, that this game would have come close to a locked or consistent 60 even if left unlocked).
Meant.. forcing the video settings at 1080p instead of automatic.
WTF timeline are we in ..that the new normal is 20-30 FPS is not crazy for PS4... and the Pro locked at 30 on a built out PS3 game? Also that 30 FPS is even an acceptable target? Is this because the bones are like 10 years old? I target (rarely hit) 60 FPS ....at 4k on a 3 year old GPU on my PC...
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OrbitalBeard
Member
In the real world outside of enthusiast forums, 30fps is completely acceptable.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
I like a smooth and everything, but at 1080p with at most about a 3fps boost and zero other benefits, it looks like the 1900p mode is an easy decision here. I didn't see any tragic drops on the video or anything really prolonged.
Just gotta be realistic about things here.
We know there was a lot of behind the scenes issues with the game and i think the only that pulled this game from the grave was the persistence of the fans.
Also, i think it's pretty clear that the CPU is probably the limiting factor here as far as performance goes.
Just gotta be realistic about things here.
We know there was a lot of behind the scenes issues with the game and i think the only that pulled this game from the grave was the persistence of the fans.
Also, i think it's pretty clear that the CPU is probably the limiting factor here as far as performance goes.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
In a world where this happens for one game with a team that has a history of technical issues. If the games releasing in the next few months have similar issues then concern would be warranted.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It's pointless to refer to this as a PS3 game. In its current incarnation this would probably run at like 4-5FPS on PS3.
It is also pointless to claim that SOTC was "poorly optimized". You could have best engineers in the world optimizing that game for as long as you want - what it was doing was smply not possible to run any faster on PS2, and it's a miracle they had it running at all.
Yeah, it looks like that 30% CPU boost in Pro gives it just enough juice to clean the framerate completely. Then I guess in the 1900p mode there could be some other kind of wall it hits that causes smaller framedrops.
thelastword
Banned
Apart from that, I think it's mainly a CPU issue. Lots of physics work and great Ai in this game. I don't think the GPU is overly stressed here, it's the reason why the stronger CPU in the Pro is pulling in better performance at 1080p and even 4k.
I think they could hit a better balance in terms of res and framerate though. 1900p might be a bit too high a rez to sustain 30fps here on the pro. I think a checkerboarded 2160p or even 1800p would have been better, in that way they would also have the option of adding the inherent TAA to clean the shimmering and jaggies that remained at the higher rez, even at 1900p there's a bit of shimmer, checkerboarding would have lowered the GPU load, provide a better framerate and still have better IQ overall with TAA..
Melchiah
Member
It didn't affect the framerate in supersampled 30fps mode.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
These were done with the patch, video mentioned the only thing the patch added was HDR support.
Jakartalado
Member
1080 to 1890p minimal?
Gezzzzz
My opinion, they should lower the resolution to 1800p (works great with Watch Dogs 2 and many other games) and that should bump the framerate by a bit.
Since it doesn't look like a CPU bounded game. At least not on PS4 Pro
thatJohann
Member
Having only a 1080p set, I'd rather have the downsampled version at 27fps than 1080p at locked 30fps. Especially after seeing how amazing Watch Dogs 2 looks downsampled on a 1080p set
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
As said in another topic, the PS3 version was most likely smoke and mirrors, one of the mods mentioned that the PS3 version footage was sped up to look like something adequate.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I'm looking at external scalers right now. This situation is fucking ridiculous. Games like this and The Last of Us shouldn't be able to pass cert.
What I'm wondering is... how about 2160p achieved through 'checkerboard rendering'? With a lesser total pixel-count (by the 1920×2160 buffer) than what it already outputs, I suppose it would be less taxing under the same circumstances than the resolution it renders natively now, and it might have resulted in a less blurry picture quality (artifacts notwithstanding) when bypassing the step for image scaling from 1890p to 2160p.
'Incompetent devs' is no excuse to putting out a shitily optimised game.
My thoughts exactly.
No way I am paying for this crap.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It's not even that it's 27FPS non stop. It just drops to there at spots, maintaining 30FPS pretty nicely otherwise.
Here's the thing though, after analyzing the screens provided by DF, the image quality boost isnt really *that* substantial in 4K mode surprisingly enough. Lots of elements are still rendered at a lower resolution, and the 1080p image is really nicely antialiased. Where I've noticed the difference the most are the hairy surfaces on Trico's face.
I was seriously mistaken thinking that the game uses no AA at all in the 1080p mode, and I was lead to believe that looking at the screens and trailers released about a month ago, which indeed had absolutely no AA.
The first minute or so of my comparison shows the differences (or lack thereof) in graphical effects on the PS4/Pro - It looks literally identical apart from the butterfly and feather that go past... But the frame rate is pretty much locked at 30 on the Pro from start to finish (Bar a couple of dips when things get really busy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffNuVZy36vE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffNuVZy36vE
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I wish there was a 1440p downsample mode
I'll play it in 1080, not like I have any other option.
GhostOfSparta305
Banned
A timeline where console gamers have almost never before had the choice between 30fps and 60.
Now that they do, you'll likely see standards change.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I wish there was a 1440p downsample mode
I'll play it in 1080, not like I have any other option.
You have the option of waiting for them to fix their shit.
So I'm not the only mad. And there are many more in this thread.
Sony is really alienating the 1080p Tv customers with these moves.
I think we should make our voice heard on the matter, before this became a trend.
I know for a fact that they did. But not technically western studio as they are a foreigner run studio out of Tokyo. I sent you a PM with details on it ages ago if you remember
If this is the future for us on OG PS4s, I think I am done with Sony for now.
It blows my mind that consistent performance isn't a perquisite for passing Sony's certification.
I guess its more;
'does it brick the PS4?'
'no'
'derp, guess its good to go!'
Jeez, calm down. This is Team Ico. They've never been technical wizards and they're not the Sony 1st party standard in that area.
tbf I fully expect this to be the case with Scorpio too. The problem is when the higher end console STILL doesn't have solid framerates.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why do people keep calling this game a PS3 game?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It actually seems pretty good. Take a look at comparison screens here:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-the-last-guardian-face-off
schwabdizzle
Banned
Waiting for some stability patches before purchasing. This generation on consoles have made me reconsider buying games day 1.
chromatic9
Member
There's a lot of sawtooth like artifacts in the 4k mode. Looks quite rough and oversharpend
In other scenes it can look blurrier and muddy
First time I'd say I'll go for 1080p over 1800/1900p. I usually see great results from 3200x1800 on PC. Character model aside, looks very rough.
In other scenes it can look blurrier and muddy
First time I'd say I'll go for 1080p over 1800/1900p. I usually see great results from 3200x1800 on PC. Character model aside, looks very rough.
20fps is kinda hard to swallow.
But it'll keep happening so long as serious griping over 23fps vs 30fps is limited to the forumsphere bubble. My irl friends who play vidya even more than I do but don't post on places like GAF or reddit never mention this stuff at all. A number of them have this game preordered.
Devs won't prioritize this until it's clear the average consumer does - and like I said (granted it's anecdotal) I frankly don't even think the majority of core consumers do either.
But it'll keep happening so long as serious griping over 23fps vs 30fps is limited to the forumsphere bubble. My irl friends who play vidya even more than I do but don't post on places like GAF or reddit never mention this stuff at all. A number of them have this game preordered.
Devs won't prioritize this until it's clear the average consumer does - and like I said (granted it's anecdotal) I frankly don't even think the majority of core consumers do either.