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[Hot Coldman]

Really? I thought they where awsome.

They're OK. Kinda like Majora's Mask, I consider the plot, characters and the overworld a LOT more interesting than the dungeon meat.

And even Majora's Mask has the Stone Tower Temple. Wind Waker's dungeons never really have that many stand-out moments. The bosses are pretty fucking cool, but that's sorta it. Recycling the Command Melody mechanic across three dungeons starts to get a bit annoying too.

 

[Kouriozan]

Surprised by JeuxVideo.com review, they also gave GTA V 18/20.
Time to read it.

 

[GetemMa]

Gamespot operates on a 0.5 scale. Furthermore, their review guidelines dictate that 7.0 and 7.5 are games with noticeable faults while 9.0 and higher get their editor's choice award. Which forces everything inbetween to a 8.0 or 8.5.

So its more an inherent flaw with their review system than anything. Would you prefer the meaningless decimal system that IGN uses?

Well you just explained the point I was about to make about their scoring. I just find it curious that they land on an 8.0, 70% of the time. It is like they don't like the game but don't have the courage of their own convictions or can't offer a plausibly reason to deny its quality without sounding preposterous so they just give it a cop out score of an 8.0. I've seen this with other non Nintendo titles as well. TLOU comes to mind.

I have no preference on review system to be honest. They're all flawed. If anything works for me best it is the Yes/No, thumbs up/down style, just to guide me through what is undeniable dross.

 

[frankie_baby]

Hey it's a Zelda "fans" they won't take a score lower then 9 .

even the worst Zelda games deserve at least a 9, well ok the cdi games (which I've never played) can have an 8.9 but that's it

 

[Dion Blaster]

Sounds like they were disappointed by a lack of new content, especially at the price point they are charging.

I don't really see a problem.

This brings up an interesting question. Should the price of a game be considered by a review? I mean wouldn't that make the review less helpful once the price changes?

 

[KillerTravis]

Can't wait to stroke my Ganondorf.

Lol

 

[Onesimos]

Well looks like I was wrong about the embargo ending tomorrow, looking at all the reviews that already came out.

We have yet to see IGN's and Gametrailers.com reviews. Also EDGE's as well.

 

[Ultimadrago]

Can't wait to stroke my Ganondorf.

lewd

 

[The Cowboy]

Metro.

Cons: The game was always a lesser entry in the franchise and this does almost nothing to improve it. Very expensive given the lack of changes. Strange omission of the Tingle Tuner.

The hell is this?, its one of the best in the franchise!.

 

[WrenchNinja]

...You and this again?

Me and what again?

 

[AcademicSaucer]

10 years from now, wind waker hd will have aged like a malbec wine, while gta v , being the outstanding game that it is, would suffer from the same fate than vice city and san andreas.

 

[Tenki]

I've always wondered why Metacritic updates so slow. It's always so slow to put up all the scores.

 

[antonz]

10 years from now, wind waker hd will have aged like a malbec wine, while gta v , being the outstanding game that it is, would suffer from the same fate than vice city and san andreas.

Shoot in 3 months the GTA cycle will begin when the hype dies and people realize it is an ok if not solid game but no where near the hype level

 

[plank]

They're OK. Kinda like Majora's Mask, I consider the plot, characters and the overworld a LOT more interesting than the dungeon meat.

And even Majora's Mask has the Stone Tower Temple. Wind Waker's dungeons never really have that many stand-out moments. The bosses are pretty fucking cool, but that's sorta it. Recycling the Command Melody mechanic across three dungeons starts to get a bit annoying too.

I guess it was the presentation, setting the look and feel that got me. It just felt like true fantasy by the time you get to the dungeons.

 

[Gigglepoo]

WTF?! How is NSMBU an 8.5 while P3 is an 8?!! Injustice!!

Different reviewers. Also, we stopped using half points by the time Pikmin 3 came around.

Rayman Legends was rated higher on the PS3 and 360 at Gamespot even though they have less content and less features. Because he found the extra content the WIi U version dull even though its bonus content he rated the game lower and all versions were done by same guy so its not a matter of taste

I think you're mistaken. The Murfy levels are in every version of the game. In the PS360, you run with Rayman while controlling Murfy with a button tap. On the Wii U, Rayman runs and jumps automatically while you control Murfy. I found those levels dull and lowered the score because they make up a significant portion of the game.

 

[axisofweevils]

Well looks like I was wrong about the embargo ending tomorrow, looking at all the reviews that already came out.

According to this tweet from NintendoLife, the embargo ended an hour ago.

https://twitter.com/nintendolife/status/380077444726022144

That's midnight in Europe, so technically, it is "tomorrow" in some parts of the world.

 

[Marjar]

God I'm so hyped.

Only Nintendo can make me hyped for a game I've already played.

 

[frankie_baby]

Different reviewers. Also, we stopped using half points by the time Pikmin 3 came around.

so instead of rounding Nintendo games up you round them down? that's a bit fishy

 

[Ito]

Metro: 8/10

In Short: A bad Zelda is still a good game by any other standard but this does frustrating little to improve its standing, beyond making the graphics look even more stunning.

Pros: Absolutely gorgeous visuals, updated with obvious love and care. Equally good soundtrack. Some great moments, including two classic set pieces that are amongst the best in the series.

Cons: The game was always a lesser entry in the franchise and this does almost nothing to improve it. Very expensive given the lack of changes. Strange omission of the Tingle Tuner.

That was the worst review, seriously, I don't know what the Metro guys are thinking about...

A bad Zelda? A lesser entry in the franchise?
Dude, the game may be too easy to beat (specially the bosses), but it's far from being a bad zelda or a lesser entry in the series. IMHO the only bad zelda are Skyward Sword, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks, the last two being not only bad zeldas but bad games.

Also, strange omission of the Tingle Tuner?
Yeah, that's right, they should have included some option to plug-in your 12 years old GBA into your WiiU.

Anyway, I agree when they say the game is too expensive, regarding it's only an HD remake with slightly revamped textures and a new light engine -which screws the original toon shading look.

The game looks way better in Dolphin running at 1080p, than in this remake. If only the models were less polygonal....

 

[grandjedi6]

Well you just explained the point I was about to make about their scoring. I just find it curious that they land on an 8.0, 70% of the time. It is like they don't like the game but don't have the courage of their own convictions or can't offer a plausibly reason to deny its quality without sounding preposterous so they just give it a cop out score of an 8.0. I've seen this with other non Nintendo titles as well. TLOU comes to mind.

I have no preference on review system to be honest. They're all flawed. If anything works for me best it is the Yes/No, thumbs up/down style, just to guide me through what is undeniable dross.

What would you rather have? Them give it a 7.0 and live with fans whining that it suggests something is mediocre about the title? Or give it a 9.0 when the reviewer clearly doesn't view it that good? Its just an arbitrary number dictated by the review guidelines.

Giantbomb effectively gives a 4/5 to most games with its review system, yet I don't think you'd claim its due to a lack of convictions. They're just necessary numbers to play the metacritic and ad game.

And we're guilty of it too. See how we've spent more time talking about a meaningless 8.0 number than anything actually written in a review?

 

[Gigglepoo]

so instead of rounding Nintendo games up you round them down? that's a bit fishy

Rounding up to 9 wouldn't make any sense. If a game is Great (which is how we define 8s) than it would remain Great, it wouldn't all of a sudden become Superb (a 9 game).

Also, there wasn't any "rounding" done with either of those reviews. I think Pikmin 3 is great, one of my favorite games of the year, and scored it based on what I believe. There's no conspiracy there.

 

[EightBitNate]

The writers/editors at gamespot are clearly biased. They've been the outlier on too many Nintendo releases for it not to be obvious at this point.

I can understand people not being interested in Nintendo consoles, but I don't know how I feel about those people reviewing the games.

You're the problem with review threads.

 

[zroid]

Metro.


The hell is this?, its one of the best in the franchise!.

Haha. Frankly I agree with that, but it is crude style to say so in a review.

 

[w1gglyjones]

Rounding up to 9 wouldn't make any sense. If a game is Great (which is how we define 8s) than it would remain Great, it wouldn't all of a sudden become Superb (a 9 game).

Also, there wasn't any "rounding" done with either of those reviews. I think Pikmin 3 is great, one of my favorite games of the year, and scored it based on what I believe. There's no conspiracy there.

You should switch to a numberless system which is superior in every way, IMO. Everyone should. Would you lose readers if you do?

 

[TourianTourist]

Also, strange omission of the Tingle Tuner?
Yeah, that's right, they should have included some option to plug-in your 12 years old GBA into your WiiU.

No, their suggestion was to make the Tingle Tuner use the Wii U GamePad, which is understandable. Many were expecting this, when they first announced The Wind Waker for Wii U.

 

[cacildo]

Shoot in 3 months the GTA cycle will begin when the hype dies and people realize it is an ok if not solid game but no where near the hype level

i think the same way

 

[frankie_baby]

Rounding up to 9 wouldn't make any sense. If a game is Great (which is how we define 8s) than it would remain Great, it wouldn't all of a sudden become Superb (a 9 game).

Also, there wasn't any "rounding" done with either of those reviews. I think Pikmin 3 is great, one of my favorite games of the year, and scored it based on what I believe. There's no conspiracy there.

pikmin 3 is not supurb??????? hang your head in shame

 

[grandjedi6]

You should switch to a numberless system which is superior in every way, IMO. Everyone should. Would you lose readers if you do?

Of course they would. We wouldn't even be discussing this review otherwise!

 

[Dion Blaster]

You should switch to a numberless system which is superior in every way, IMO. Everyone should. Would you lose readers if you do?

Or at least a 4 or 5 star system. Reviewers really only use a 6-10 scale anyways. No one cares how much lower than 6 a game is. So just subtract 5 from every "out of 10" score.

 

[Himself]

Metro - 8/10

I don't understand why people view this as a bad Zelda game.[/QUOTE]

i was gonna say these freaks are either on meth or talking about skyward sword by mistake

 

[Not]

I feel like the world has turned on Nintendo

EDIT: and they still don't give a shit

 

[Gigglepoo]

You should switch to a numberless system which is superior in every way, IMO. Everyone should. Would you lose readers if you do?

Sadly, we would lose readers. We're redesigning our site very soon and (I think!) we're putting the numbers at the bottom. That's at least a start.

pikmin 3 is not supurb??????? hang your head in shame

Now I feel bad. I honestly think it's a little worse than the phenomenal Pikmin 2. Just about everything is worse than Pikmin 2, though.

 

[cafemomo]

I wonder what IGN will give it

 

[JAYinHD]

I thought these were pretty good reviews for a decade old game. This will be my first full game eshop purchase.

 

[DimmuBurgerKing]

Good, good

 

[Team Filler]

Rounding up to 9 wouldn't make any sense. If a game is Great (which is how we define 8s) than it would remain Great, it wouldn't all of a sudden become Superb (a 9 game).

That seems like a particularly useless variation.

You should push for something closer to a Yay/Nay system, since you mention an impending redesign. Numbered scores are awful anyways.

 

[Ito]

No, their suggestion was to make the Tingle Tuner use the Wii U GamePad, which is understandable. Many were expecting this, when they first announced The Wind Waker for Wii U.

I meant that the Tingle Tuner is quite a secondary item whose only "real" function was connectivity with the GBA and provide some sort of a multiplayer option.

The Tingle Tuner mechanics added nothing to the game (if anything, it made it even easier).
And the new multiplayer connectivity that Nintendo is encouraging is that WiiU Plaza message thing.

 

[Not]

I wonder what IGN will give it

9

 

[cameltoad]

It takes a game like this to really see how fastidious and picky games reviewers can be at times.

Eurogamer review seems spot-on for me (in its prose, not its score): it acknowledges the game's faults and failings, but understands that, as a whole, it's just a delightful adventure game that shouldn't be missed.

 

[Revven]

No, their suggestion was to make the Tingle Tuner use the Wii U GamePad, which is understandable. Many were expecting this, when they first announced The Wind Waker for Wii U.

But here's the thing, the Tingle Tuner was mainly a shop where you'd buy hearts (to heal yourself), pay Tingle to let you walk in the air for x amount of time, pay Tingle to have an "air bomb", etc. It didn't really *add* anything to the game other than another thing to spend ruppees on. Which I guess wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, but ultimately, we're not missing out on anything without it. If it existed and was an item you could get, Hero Mode would probably disable its usage because of the abilities it has and the heart refilling anyway.

However, it would be a complete and utter sin if they completely axed the "quests" that were involved with the Tingle Tuner as well. So far I haven't heard anything on whether they've modified them or something to be doable in this new release without the Tuner, or if they're just completely new quests. The quest(s) themselves also involved getting figurines of the other Tingle characters on Tingle Island.

 

[Gigglepoo]

That seems like a particularly useless variation.

Our review guideline has different requirement for 8s and 9s. It's obviously not perfect, but that's why something that would have been 8.5 goes down to 8.0 instead of rising to 9.0.

 

[ASIS]

Different reviewers. Also, we stopped using half points by the time Pikmin 3 came around.

Hello!

Please downgrade NSMBU score so at least it matches with Pikmin 3. Or give Pikmin 3 a score of 8.6. Whichever option you want to choose is fine.

Spoiler

I really do believe Pikmin 3 is the best Wii U game and one of the best games of the year, that much I'm serious about at least

 

[dEvAnGeL]

It takes a game like this to really see how fastidious and picky games reviewers can be at times.

Eurogamer review seems spot-on for me (in its prose, not its score): it acknowledges the game's faults and failings, but understands that, as a whole, it's just a delightful adventure game that shouldn't be missed.

of course, any review that gives a 10 to a game you like is always spot on

 

[Team Filler]

Our review guideline has different requirement for 8s and 9s. It's obviously not perfect, but that's why something that would have been 8.5 goes down to 8.0 instead of rising to 9.0.

Right, I was more thinking the wording of "great" and "superb" than the numbers themselves (though, as I said before, I'm one of those that hates number scores in general).

 

[zroid]

9

9.1

 

[Vire]

Sadly, we would lose readers. We're redesigning our site very soon and (I think!) we're putting the numbers at the bottom. That's at least a start.



Now I feel bad. I honestly think it's a little worse than the phenomenal Pikmin 2. Just about everything is worse than Pikmin 2, though.

That unfortunately just encourages users to scroll all the way down to the bottom without reading any of the content.

I'd prefer a thumbs up, thumbs sideways, or thumbs down system. Straight and to the point, no controversy over whether something is a 8.5 or 9.0.

Just saves a lot of headaches...

 

[cameltoad]

of course, any review that gives a 10 to a game you like is always spot on

Actually, I think the game (original) is more of a 9/10, if you're asking. Hence why I typed "in its prose, not its score".

I'd prefer not to get involved with the idiotic debates about numbers.

 

[plagiarize]

Glad to see Nintendo haven't done anything crazy to fuck up the best Zelda game. Which, I know, isn't the common opinion of Wind Waker, but hey, it's mine and about all reviews of this game were going to tell me was whether or not it had been the ball had been dropped.

It hasn't. All is well. Now I just have to clear my backlog before I can justify buying this.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Some great news for Nintendo fans, think they deserve some after the shit that has manifested the last few months

 

[Team Filler]

Glad to see Nintendo haven't done anything crazy to fuck up the best Zelda game.