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-Controversial opinion threads do not spark intelligent conversation or really conversation at all, just bitching for the sake of bitching
-There's nothing "controversial" about not liking what other people like or liking what other people do not like, it's just an opinion
-Rabble rabble rabble I think your shit is shit rabble rabble rabble
 
Secks4Food said:
-Controversial opinion threads do not spark intelligent conversation or really conversation at all, just bitching for the sake of bitching
-There's nothing "controversial" about not liking what other people like or liking what other people do not like, it's just an opinion
-Rabble rabble rabble I think your shit is shit rabble rabble rabble
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Here's something I wanted to ask you ladies and gentleman here. If you were to rank your favorite Metal bands' discographies (or at least the albums you own by them), how would you do so? Any bands will do.

Hope this doesn't mean our posts will be too long by asking this...
 
Jesus that would take forever, I love too many bands.

I'm just gonna do Emperor since I'm listening to them.

1.) Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk
2.) In the Nightside Eclipse
3.) Prometheus
4.) IX Equilibirum

Btw "With Strength I Burn" is their best song :)
 
JesseZao said:
Been listening to Seige's Even non-stop for the past month or so: the last two LPs. They're lighter than what I usually listen to, but I love the singer's voice and the melodic prog they weave.

Haven't really found stuff like then before.
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Duder! Such an awesome band. The Art of Navigating by the Stars is a masterpiece. I'm sure you're onto them already, but if not, Subsignal are the guitarist's and singer's "continuation" band, so to speak. They're fantastic. I'd describe them as a simpler, less proggy Sieges Even, but with that same rich soul and melody throughout.

They have three albums - the third not quite as good as its superb predecessors - so get stuck in.
 
Secks4Food said:
Jesus that would take forever, I love too many bands.

I'm just gonna do Emperor since I'm listening to them.
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Same ranking as mine, heh. Anthems is so good. Nightside comes close, though. I'm not a big fan of their later albums, to be honest.

Here's a couple of mine

Meshuggah-Chaosphere>Nothing>Catch-33>Koloss>I (EP)>Obzen>Destroy Erase Improve>Contradictions Collapse
Agalloch-The Mantle>Ashes Against The Grain>The Serpent and the Sphere>Marrow of the Spirit>Pale Folklore
 
6 strings > 7/8 strings
finger bass > pick bass

That's about it really. Metalheads are immune to controversial opinions. We get that shit all the time.
 
This whole thread turned into
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for a moment...

Why the hate breh

EDIT: But to be on topic...

My only opinion that could be considered actually controversial is that I like some bands with questionable ideologies (Grand Belial's Key, Arghoslent, Nokturnal Mortum, Temnozor, most martial industrial and some neofolk bands). My interest in those bands are purely musical, and I would never agree with their view points.

Album for ranking for Pagan Altar:

Volume 1 > Mythical and Magical > Lords of Hypocrisy

Volume 1 and Mythical and Magical are absolutely sublime masterpieces of heavy metal. Lords of Hypocrisy just doesn't have that magic.
 
I'm gonna give this album ranking a shot.

Agalloch:
The Mantle > The Serpent & The Sphere > Ashes Against the Grain > Marrow of the Spirit > Pale Folklore

That said Marrow of the Spirit probably has my top two Agalloch songs with Into the Painted Grey and the Ghost of Midwinter Fires. Ashes and the Serpent are awfully close though and I could go either way on their placement.

Kalmah:
The Black Waltz > Swampsong > They Will Return > Swamplord > > 12 Gauge > For the Revolution > Seventh Swamphony

The Black Waltz has by far the most consistent quality of all albums but their first three albums also have some really amazing moments.
 
Andrew_Korenchkin said:
rank your favorite Metal bands' discographies
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Neurosis: Through Silver in Blood > Times of Grace > Enemy of the Sun > Souls at Zero > A Sun That Never Sets > The Eye of Every Storm > Pain of Mind > The Word as Law > Given To The Rising > Neurosis & Jarboe > Honor Found in Decay

I like all of these albums, and some of them could probably switch places. One of the strongest discographies, period.
 
The new Godflesh album is finally out! http://godflesh1.bandcamp.com/album/a-world-lit-only-by-fire

Secks4Food said:
-Controversial opinion threads do not spark intelligent conversation or really conversation at all, just bitching for the sake of bitching
-There's nothing "controversial" about not liking what other people like or liking what other people do not like, it's just an opinion
-Rabble rabble rabble I think your shit is shit rabble rabble rabble
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Damn. I was going to buy the new Godflesh on vinyl but I only could find it at other places and not at their label, so I never went through with it. Guess I'll get it marked up if I really want it.
 
I'm surprised Marrow of the Spirit is so low on both your guys' Agalloch lists, that shit is my jam.

Anyway, I'm gonna include EP's too:

Marrow of the Spirit=Ashes Against the Grain>Faustian Echoes>The Mantle=The White>The Serpent and the Sphere>The Grey>Pale Folklore.
 
Razor:
Evil Invaders>Shotgun Justice>Violent Restitution>Executioner's Song>Open Hostility>Malicious Intent>Custom Killing>Decibels

I would not rank anything bad in their discography, Each album has a classic on it, really solid band.
 
Secks4Food said:
-Controversial opinion threads do not spark intelligent conversation or really conversation at all, just bitching for the sake of bitching
-There's nothing "controversial" about not liking what other people like or liking what other people do not like, it's just an opinion
-Rabble rabble rabble I think your shit is shit rabble rabble rabble
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What? Sure they do. Opinions are kind of the whole point. Conversation doesn't happen at all without them.

Legitimate conversation is rare enough in this thread, if nobody said something sacred sucks, it might as well just be bandcamp/youtube links and "Anyone here like Iron Maiden? Dickinson, man."

I would agree though that saying Opeth sucks has lost it's teeth, we can shelve that.
 
Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
What? Sure they do. Opinions are kind of the whole point. Conversation doesn't happen at all without them.

Legitimate conversation is rare enough in this thread, if nobody said something sacred sucks, it might as well just be bandcamp/youtube links and "Anyone here like Iron Maiden? Dickinson, man."

I would agree though that saying Opeth sucks has lost it's teeth, we can shelve that.
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Some people were simply making negative statements and no explanations as to why people should believe those opinions. That's not really constructive in any way, it ends up meaning nothing if it can't be explained, and that is the problem. Constructive criticism is cool, but baseless criticism is not something that should be encouraged.
 
mickcenary said:
Duder! Such an awesome band. The Art of Navigating by the Stars is a masterpiece. I'm sure you're onto them already, but if not, Subsignal are the guitarist's and singer's "continuation" band, so to speak. They're fantastic. I'd describe them as a simpler, less proggy Sieges Even, but with that same rich soul and melody throughout.

They have three albums - the third not quite as good as its superb predecessors - so get stuck in.
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I can listen to The Art of Navigating by the Stars endlessly. LOVE that album. Paramount is good but it's more all over the place in style.

I just started to listen to subsignal a week ago. Will delve into more for sure. My friend listened to the band the brothers went off to and said it didn't really strike him.
 
Secks4Food said:
Marrow of the Spirit=Ashes Against the Grain>Faustian Echoes>The Mantle=The White>The Serpent and the Sphere>The Grey>Pale Folklore.
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Drinkel said:
Agalloch:
The Mantle > The Serpent & The Sphere > Ashes Against the Grain > Marrow of the Spirit > Pale Folklore
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Andrew_Korenchkin said:
Agalloch-The Mantle>Ashes Against The Grain>The Serpent and the Sphere>Marrow of the Spirit>Pale Folklore
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Pale Folklore > The Mantle > Ashes Against the Grain > Marrow of the Spirit > The Serpent & the Sphere

How is Pale Folklore the bottom of all your lists?
 
nailbombxx said:
Some people were simply making negative statements and no explanations as to why people should believe those opinions. That's not really constructive in any way, it ends up meaning nothing if it can't be explained, and that is the problem. Constructive criticism is cool, but baseless criticism is not something that should be encouraged.
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It can provoke conversation, though. Besides, metal was founded on the principle that everything sucks. If something sucks, you should say it. Sometimes it doesn't need explanation.
 
muntersaur said:
How is Pale Folklore the bottom of all your lists?
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I won't speak for anyone else, but I just didn't find it engaging, compared to everything else. Of course, if you like it the best, that's all good with me.

Anyway, this is my favorite representation of how music disagreements should go.

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Here are some more rankings:

Kreator=Pleasure To Kill > Extreme Aggression > Coma Of Souls > Terrible Certainty > Endless Pain
Death=Sound of Perseverance > Symbolic > Individual Thought Patterns > Human > Scream Bloody Gore > Leprosy > Spiritual Healing (I'd give all but Spiritual Healing a very high percent, like >95%, so yeah)
Metallica=Ride The Lightning > Master of Puppets > ...And Justice For All > Kill 'Em All > Load > Reload > Death Magnetic >St. Anger > Metallica > Lulu
Atheist=Unquestionable Presence > Piece of Time > Elements > Jupiter
 
Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
It can provoke conversation, though. Besides, metal was founded on the principle that everything sucks. If something sucks, you should say it. Sometimes it doesn't need explanation.
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A conversation where one party does not give an explanation to his opinion while adamantly defending it is not a good one. There are some opinions that doesn't need explanation, but when you go and criticize something that is in general well respected and beloved, then that is a good time to present your reasoning. Being able to explain why you like or dislike something is fundamental to higher, meaningful conversation. I can respect a person's opinion, but it really is irksome to listen to baseless opinions.
 
The new Godflesh is so pointless. Mediocre throwback Godflesh is an odd choice following up Jesu.

Pure was really all the Godflesh I ever needed, that album was that sound taken to it's limit.
 
mickcenary said:
Duder! Such an awesome band. The Art of Navigating by the Stars is a masterpiece. I'm sure you're onto them already, but if not, Subsignal are the guitarist's and singer's "continuation" band, so to speak. They're fantastic. I'd describe them as a simpler, less proggy Sieges Even, but with that same rich soul and melody throughout.

They have three albums - the third not quite as good as its superb predecessors - so get stuck in.
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Thanks for recommending Subsignal. Checked out "Paraiso" and I dig it immensely so far. Reminds me of other mellow bands like Everon and Wolverine.
 
nailbombxx said:
A conversation where one party does not give an explanation to his opinion while adamantly defending it is not a good one. There are some opinions that doesn't need explanation, but when you go and criticize something that is in general well respected and beloved, then that is a good time to present your reasoning. Being able to explain why you like or dislike something is fundamental to higher, meaningful conversation. I can respect a person's opinion, but it really is irksome to listen to baseless opinions.
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It's not required to me. Sometimes higher, meaningful conversation isn't what's required.

pablito said:
I would have agreed the first time I heard it, but I've warmed up to it after a couple more listens.
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It's not terrible.

I went to Pure right after listening to A World Lit Only By Fire, and oh my god what a difference. Pure crushes. The drum machine is heavier. The riffs are disgusting. Nothing on the new one comes close. Pure is one of those perfect albums, even today it sounds visionary. Baby Blue Eyes in particular is just nuts. Or Predominance... If he had more material like that, Godflesh should go on forever.
 
muntersaur said:
Pale Folklore > The Mantle > Ashes Against the Grain > Marrow of the Spirit > The Serpent & the Sphere

How is Pale Folklore the bottom of all your lists?
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Because it's worse? I dunno, I like some of it, but I think some of the singing ruins it, and it's just not as well put together at all.

My rankings:
The Mantle=Ashes Against The Grain > Marrow of the Spirit > The Serpent and the Sphere > Pale Folklore


Can't decide on The Mantle or Ashes. I think The Mantle started out far and away their best, even just a bit after Ashes came out, but Ashes gets better with each and every listen.
 
JesseZao said:
I can listen to The Art of Navigating by the Stars endlessly. LOVE that album. Paramount is good but it's more all over the place in style.

I just started to listen to subsignal a week ago. Will delve into more for sure. My friend listened to the band the brothers went off to and said it didn't really strike him.
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Another band aside from Subsignal, you mean? If so, I was not aware and I'd love to know more :). And yep, 100% agree re: Paramount. A lot of it seems overly progressive and "hard" for the sake of it, but then you have songs like Tidal and Where Our Shadows Sleep, which are seriously awesome, so definitely worth a spin every now and then. I am just so enamoured with their style on TAoNbtS; songs like Styx are just hnnnnnggggg.

Bootleg Fireworks said:
Thanks for recommending Subsignal. Checked out "Paraiso" and I dig it immensely so far. Reminds me of other mellow bands like Everon and Wolverine.
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My pleasure. If you're digging Paraiso, you should absolutely love Touchstones. They really came into their own there. Paraiso is a tad forgettable and the mixing is kind of atrocious. Not quite sure how that happened, seeing as Touchstones was mixed very nicely, but I guess it's a common pitfall (Septicflesh's new one also comes to mind).

Ah, Wolverine. How I long for some more material like The Window Purpose. That's not to say that their newer stuff isn't also great; it's just very different and probably not as frequently great. They would have been my favourite band for a long while years ago.

And I've only heard the one Everon album, North, which has a few numbers that I dig. Obviously a lot more accessible than your Subsignals and whatnot.
 
Andrew_Korenchkin said:
I won't speak for anyone else, but I just didn't find it engaging, compared to everything else. Of course, if you like it the best, that's all good with me.

Anyway, this is my favorite representation of how music disagreements should go.



Here are some more rankings:

Kreator=Pleasure To Kill > Extreme Aggression > Coma Of Souls > Terrible Certainty > Endless Pain
Death=Sound of Perseverance > Symbolic > Individual Thought Patterns > Human > Scream Bloody Gore > Leprosy > Spiritual Healing (I'd give all but Spiritual Healing a very high percent, like >95%, so yeah)
Metallica=Ride The Lightning > Master of Puppets > ...And Justice For All > Kill 'Em All > Load > Reload > St. Anger > Metallica > Lulu
Atheist=Unquestionable Presence > Piece of Time > Elements > Jupiter
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Thought Patterns over Human? Blasphemous.



Megadeth: Rust in Peace> Peace Sells> Killing is My Business>Countdown>So Far So Good So What> Youthanasia
Alice in Chains: Dirt = Jar of Flies> Tripod> Facelift.
Cynic: Focus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everything
Atheist: Unquestionable Presence > Elements = Piece of Time

I'll throw in Tool for shits an giggles:

Lateralus> Aenima> Undertow> Opiate> 10,000 Days.
 
Human is my favorite death metal album of all time.

I would say Human>Leprosy>Individual Thought Patterns>Spiritual Healing>Symbolic>The Sound of Perseverance>Scream Bloody Gore
 
Regarding Death, I'm not really into it. I've listened to Human and later albums. Of them I'd say I like Human the most and The Sound of Perseverance the least. I'd rank Atheists Unquestionable Presence over Human, but Atheist is still not something I'm extremely enthusiastic about. For me, Carcass - Necrotism would be the pinnacle of death metal. I'd guess I would also prefer something like Immolation over Atheist/Death.

Some album rankings
Carcass: Necrotism > Heartwork > Symphonies of Sickness > Surgical Steel > Swansong > Reek of Putrefaction
Godflesh: Streetcleaner > Hymns > Us and Them > Pure > Selfless > Songs of Love and Hate
Immortal: At the heart of winter > damned in black / sons of northern darkness > pure holocaust > all shall fall > Diabolical fullmoon mysticism > Battles in the north > Blizzard Beasts
 
Album rankings? Album rankings.

Epica: Design Your Universe >= The Quantum Enigma > Consign To Oblivion > The Divine Conspiracy > The Phantom Agony > Requiem For The Indifference
Eluveitie: Slania >= Helvetios >= Origins > Everything Remains >> Spirit >> Ven
Carach Angren: Where The Corpses Sing Forever > Lammendam > Death Came Through A Phantom Ship
 
JesseZao said:
Must be Rhapsody of Fire. The bassist and drummer brothers from the other half of Siege's Even are in that group now.

Haven't listened to them personally.
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Oh, ew. Haha. Yeah, RoF ain't my cup of tea. Fairly generic power/speed metal, if I'm not mistaken? Well, that's basically what they were when they went by the name of just 'Rhapsody'.
 
My Dying Bride

Turn Loose the Swans>As the Flower Withers>The Angel and the Dark River>Like Gods of the Sun>34.788%...Complete

Everything else is about equal after that:

The Light at the End of the World=A Line of Deathless Kings=The Dreadful Hours=Songs of Darkness, Words of Light=For Lies I Sire=A Map of All Our Failures
 
mickcenary said:
My pleasure. If you're digging Paraiso, you should absolutely love Touchstones. They really came into their own there. Paraiso is a tad forgettable and the mixing is kind of atrocious. Not quite sure how that happened, seeing as Touchstones was mixed very nicely, but I guess it's a common pitfall (Septicflesh's new one also comes to mind).

Ah, Wolverine. How I long for some more material like The Window Purpose. That's not to say that their newer stuff isn't also great; it's just very different and probably not as frequently great. They would have been my favourite band for a long while years ago.

And I've only heard the one Everon album, North, which has a few numbers that I dig. Obviously a lot more accessible than your Subsignals and whatnot.
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Delving into "Touchstones" as we speak. "The Window Purpose" is Wolverine's first one, right? It's the only one of theirs I am not familiar with. For me, "Still" is their magnum opus. Incredible album, improving upon everything from "Cold Light of Monday". Regrettably, their newest one was forgettable.
 
New Sanctuary leaked early on Spotify in the US.

And I have no idea how this wound up as an album bearing the Sanctuary name. It's either a Dane solo or Nevermore album with a few different members. It's not bad but I had higher expectations.
 
Royal_Flush said:
Carach Angren: Where The Corpses Sing Forever > Lammendam > Death Came Through A Phantom Ship
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This band surprised me quite a bit. I think it was mentioned once/twice in this thread (or its predecessor), so I knew about its existence, but not much more. I saw them live last summer. I was weird to see just three people on stage: guitar player/vocalist, drummer and a keyboard player, later a violinist joined. It was really enjoyable, so it started listening to their albums.
It’s a really nice blend of melodic/symphonic black metal. What really makes it stand out for me is the haunting, spooky atmosphere. Also I have the feeling that each track tries and succeeds to tell a story. Are they all concept albums?
Overall, it’s a really nice discovery. I’d agree with your ranking.
 
kingslunk said:
Heaven and Hell is the best album by Black Sabbath.
Ozzy is terrible and only reason his solo shit is remotely listenable is because of Randy Rhoads.
Dream Theater fucking sucks.
Between the Buried and Me are boring.
Black Metal is boring.
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Finally someone else has the same feels about Heaven and Hell as me.
 
Andrew_Korenchkin said:
Here's something I wanted to ask you ladies and gentleman here. If you were to rank your favorite Metal bands' discographies (or at least the albums you own by them), how would you do so? Any bands will do.

Hope this doesn't mean our posts will be too long by asking this...
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DragonForce
1. Ultra Beatdown
2. Maximum Overload
3. The Power Within
4. Inhuman Rampage
5. Valley of the Damned
6. Sonic Firestorm

Sonic Firestorm is overrated. There were some interesting tunes in Inhuman Rampage and it had a better power ballad. Valley of the Damned has an iffy center which drags down its rating established by the great title song and closers (especially Where Dragons Rule).
Ultra Beatdown is rather samey but it's production gives the entire thing an incredibly unique electronic sort of sound that I can't help but latch on to.

Might try and get a more comprehensive Power Quest collection and comment on that.
 
kingslunk said:
Heaven and Hell is the best album by Black Sabbath.
Ozzy is terrible and only reason his solo shit is remotely listenable is because of Randy Rhoads.
Dream Theater fucking sucks.
Between the Buried and Me are boring.
Black Metal is boring.
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Finally, someone else who thinks Ozzy's solo material is bland as fuck. Sabbath is genius and the greatest Metal band of all time (alongside Priest and Maiden), but Ozzy without a good band backing him up is jack.
 
OmegaDragon said:
[Carach Angren] is a really nice blend of melodic/symphonic black metal. What really makes it stand out for me is the haunting, spooky atmosphere. Also I have the feeling that each track tries and succeeds to tell a story. Are they all concept albums?
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Lammendam as a whole tells some old Dutch saga afaik. Death Came Through A Phantomship is about the flying dutchman. And Where The Corpses Sink Forever is a more lose collection of war related horror stories. And you totally see this in the lyrics: They just straight tell a story with arc of suspense in each song. Not the kind of lyrics I would write, but perfect for a band like this.

Also I agree, they create athmospheres like no other band I ever listened to. The middle part of Funerary Durge Of A Violinist touches me like no other song.
 
Phantom Ship is nonstop unbelievable arrangements and riffs. As far as metal concept albums go, it's almost up there in quality with King Diamond "Them". It takes paranormal balls and skill to pull that off. They don't get nearly the attention they deserve- this is instant classic quality stuff.

I still need to get their other albums.
 
You knew the Opeth rankings were coming.

1.) Blackwater Park=Ghost Reveries>Still Life>Damnation>Morningrise>Watershed>Heritage=Pale Communion>My Arms Your Hearse>Deliverance>Orchid
 
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