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PlayStation and Switch will continue on. Only Xbox is abandoning consoles.

Consoles are still a $53 billion market.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

NO, it is simply to describe the reality that some express here. That is, continual contradictions simply because they don't want to admit that their real desire is for MS not to try anything. That is, whatever option MS decides regarding new hardware, they will run out and point out that it is a mistake.
I guess your reaction is simply that you identify with that description

my reaction is stating that MS "trying anything" is that MS is not trying enough.

A console is just another option for playing games. Games that are 99% the same as what you can play on other platforms. Each person is different and has different preferences. Price is important to make a mainstream product, but certainly not to play in the conditions that some want. For example, I'd rather have a Steam Deck or Rog Aly than a switch 100 times

they videogame market and it's segments are already very well established.

My dude, the other option is for SONY to have no competition of any kind or form and can do with the price and hardware what it wants. Among other things, offering crappy hardware because you wouldn't have to worry about the competition doing something better anymore. Whether the option to choose is MS releasing a hybrid XBOX vs PS a traditional console or MS totally abandoning hardware of any kind vs PS traditional console as the only option........ Tell me which one is better for the purposes of what you point out

I'm pointing out people crying about how Xbox going away will not offer competition against Sony.

I'm saying that this move in relation to PS vs Xbox is not going to do anything regarding competition.

If the strategy is that of a hybrid PC in the form of a console, the situation is totally new and unknown.

If... again. MS/Xbox's track record is the only thing we have

whatever ms is trying to do. is going to live in a very weird and niche space

They certainly won't be subject to the constraints of a traditional console at the cost of ceasing to sell tens of millions.

thus...they are not in the console market.

 

[Topher]

Interesting, I thought PC was considerably closer to consoles.

Yep. Interesting looking back the last five years. People act like there are some massive shifts in gaming, but there really isn't. Obviously mobile has the most growth, but consoles and PC are still extremely healthy sources of revenue.

 

[ManaByte]

Very little. The younger demographic don't buy consoles and the margins are already so slim on hardware. Moreover, software is becoming prohibitively expensive to make.

What NOBODY here talks about is the genius of Iwata, who saw this coming years ago and adapted.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

There are 6 billion people on Earth. The most any console has ever sold is 160M.

How many Steam users are there? Is Steam dead, or PC gaming for that matter?

Retarded logic.

 

[Naked Lunch]

So Steam IS coming to the next 'Xbox'.
20+ years of both my Xbox and Steam libraries in my living room.
Im in.

 

[DavidGzz]

The only way for Xbox to compete as a console was to make closed box exclusives and that sucks so I'm glad they opted for delivering all of their games to PC. Now maybe I only have to buy one console. Well, unless they make it a tempting all in one console with Steam....^

 

[Shtef]

If this is true (and i think it is), i wonder how will they handle backward compatible games. Will the original xbox and 360 games work on this new machines? Time will tell.

 

[BennyBlanco]

So I'm guessing Sarah Bond's "forward compatibility" team will be focusing on making Xbox One/Series/360 BC games run on this new PC.

If this ends with a PC port of Lost Odyssey it was all worth it

 

[jroc74]

I would be surprised if more than 5 million of these sell.

What they're doing is actually pretty sick if you think about it. In order to maintain using Xbox Live and your Xbox Ecosystem you're going to have to pay a heavy premium on hardware.

On the other hand we're going to see in real-time how important ecosystems are and how much brand loyalty a company actually has. You hardly get to witness things like this in life. One for the history books for sure.

Its funny, I remember some of us saying this about this gen and the news that the Series S and Game Pass would have Sony shook.

I also said we are about to see who recovers better from their low stock statements, situation.

This is MS's last, last straw for hardware. This is it.

 

[feynoob]

Yep. Interesting looking back the last five years. People act like there are some massive shifts in gaming, but there really isn't. Obviously mobile has the most growth, but consoles and PC are still extremely healthy sources of revenue.

There is.
Sony is now doing live service games

 

[Topher]

There is.
Sony is now doing live service games

As well as single player games. Plenty of reason to keep selling consoles then.

 

[reinking]

Consoles are dead. Some just don't realize it yet.

Maybe Sony and Nintendo consoles will die too in the future but that is like saying we are all already dead.

 

[Chiggs]

On the other hand we're going to see in real-time how important ecosystems are and how much brand loyalty a company actually has. You hardly get to witness things like this in life. One for the history books for sure.

 

[reinking]

Side note -

"the largest technical leap you will have ever seen in a hardware generation" = AI

I was not a believer in the beginning...

 

[reinking]

People been saying this for the past 20 years. What the fuck is taking so long?

Was't PC gaming also supposed to die about a decade ago?

 

[feynoob]

As well as single player games. Plenty of reason to keep selling consoles then.

sadly, the old guards are dying slowly and getting old. unless Sony makes them bloated series.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

sadly, the old guards are dying slowly and getting old. unless Sony makes them bloated series.

What the fuck are you on about lmao

 

[Hohenheim]

What's the point to buy console after this gen?
Pc will be only way to play games

A high end desktop PC, a handheld PC companion and the new Nintendo system. Done.

 

[AtomicStarving]

What is Xbox? It's Microsoft Gaming.

 

[feynoob]

What the fuck are you on about lmao

Old man kratos

 

[BlackTron]

MS realizes this is the final true console generation and is adapting. Others are slamming their foot on the gas and speeding towards a cliff.

Real photo from when I used a time machine to visit Manabyte during the Switch 2 and PS5 Pro launch window

Spoiler

 

[ManaByte]

Real photo from when I used a time machine to visit Manabyte during the Switch 2 and PS5 Pro launch window

I'm buying both. I know that's hard for some people here to understand that people could own more than one console.

 

[Killer8]

from Discord

I can't wait for Flight Sim on PS5 Pro with PSVR 2 support.

 

[mayham2199]

What's the point to buy console after this gen?
Pc will be only way to play games

Or you could go to the two competitors curb stomping MS called Nintendo and Sony. MS failing has nothing to do with Sony or Nintendo.

Amazing how people can be adamant that the one company that never showcased any ability to understand or play the market is somehow the one that's definitely correct about it going away.

Fucking hilarious.

It’s like a child who found out there dad isn’t the hero they thought he was. They refuse to believe he was just a dead beat.

 

[BlackTron]

I'm buying both. I know that's hard for some people here to understand that people could own more than one console.

Your personal buying habits are irrelevant to your industry predictions, which is that the console market is failing.

 

[ManaByte]

which is that the console market is failing.

It's already dead in Japan, which is why Nintendo dominates the industry there. Iwata saw the death coming. The rest of the world is just lagging by a couple of generations. The model of a box that sits under a TV with games tied exclusively to that device won't exist in 15 years. Maybe even less. That's not to say there won't be a dock like device like the Switch made to fool people into thinking they're playing a traditional console.

 

[feynoob]

Your personal buying habits are irrelevant to your industry predictions, which is that the console market is failing.

consoles have 8 years max.
they are getting old.

 

[jroc74]

MS realizes this is the final true console generation and is adapting. Others are slamming their foot on the gas and speeding towards a cliff.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Punished Miku]

I couldnt be more excited honestly. I guess I'm way off judging by most replies here but if I wasnt invested in Xbox I'd probably be jealous of this.

 

[Topher]

sadly, the old guards are dying slowly and getting old. unless Sony makes them bloated series.

 

[Astray]

I couldnt be more excited honestly. I guess I'm way off judging by most replies here but if I wasnt invested in Xbox I'd probably be jealous of this.

Because you did not see the sticker price yet.

This will be very expensive.

 

[SneakersSO]

Yep, this is Xbox leaving the hardware market while allowing its consumers to keep their game catalogues. From a price standpoint, these devices will not be able to compete with Sony. They will not be sold at a loss or to break even, but to profit

Yup. This is very much on the money.

 

[MayauMiao]

Knowing Microsoft, its going to be very, very expensive portable.

Xbox is truly dead.

 

[Punished Miku]

Because you did not see the sticker price yet.

This will be very expensive.

It will be. Its a totally fair point. I'm waiting for final details obviously. If people want to stay on PS5 / PS6 theyre getting all MS games too. Everyone wins. Just pick what you like.

 

[feynoob]

dont blame me man. franchise fatigues is real. You need fresh characters to keep that franchise alive.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

dont blame me man. franchise fatigues is real. You need fresh characters to keep that franchise alive.

Thank god for Lego Horizon

 

[feynoob]

Xbox is truly dead.

 

[Topher]

dont blame me man. franchise fatigues is real. You need fresh characters to keep that franchise alive.

Dammit......the world is completely out of "fresh characters".

 

[feynoob]

Thank god for Lego Horizon

i will love lego young kratos.

 

[feynoob]

Dammit......the world is completely out of "fresh characters".

can we cook this? we are hungry here.

 

[SneakersSO]

The system wars will be even crazier on this forum. The birth of a new tier that's less than a super rig PC but way better than a $500 console. A lot of these guys are gonna get a taste of PC gaming through that Xbox then just go full PC down the line.

There just isn't a market for a console at the price point this thing is aiming to come in at. Everyone is aware of this. This isn't gonna be some mass consumer thing.

MS' bet is that with enough 'Xbox's' on the market from a variety of makers, that perhaps they'll be able to get some reasonable marketshare at least as a digital eco, but seeing the approach that other devices like the ASUS Rog have had in terms of impact, and given that things like the Steam Deck are only going to grow their market footprint, I really doubt MS has any room to grow something reasonable here.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

i will love lego young kratos.

Rather have Lego Senua

It's square
no it's not
its bright
it's lego you cunt

 

[SneakersSO]

Consoles are dead. Some just don't realize it yet.

LOL.

Absolutely not. Consoles are evolving, but they are in no way dead.

 

[Fredrik]

I like it as well and personally think Xbox is ahead of the curve here in attempting something different (which honestly they had to)

I do know some who are diehard Xbox guys that simply don't want to game on PC but will 100% buy this machine even at say $1000 that is an Xbox branded non upgradable PC that functions just like a console.

Plus bringing the dockable a little more price friendly option

I like what they might be doing

I jumped ship and is on PC now but the PC route is definitely a great idea. As long as the hardware is good enough to run PC versions without downscaling too much.

But they need to have a better launcher with a proper big picture mode! Or let Steam boot Gamepass and Xbox app games.

 

[Punished Miku]

I jumped ship and is on PC now but the PC route is definitely a great idea. As long as the hardware is good enough to run PC versions without downscaling too much.

But they need to have a better launcher with a proper big picture mode! Or let Steam boot Gamepass and Xbox app games.

And GOG. I must have Alpha Protocol. And Epic Store as well.

 

[xrnzaaas]

It's going to be a nice last act of their downfall if the Xbox brand ends up becoming a Windows based handheld device to compete with ROG and Steam Deck.

 

[feynoob]

Absolutely not. Consoles are evolving, but they are in no way dead.

for the last time, the way we play is evolving. We might not even have a traditional console 8 years from now.

We are at a point where we see a new technology evolution.

 

[Darsxx82]

my reaction is stating that MS "trying anything" is that MS is not trying enough.

And what would make you understand that MS is trying something?? It is very easy to say that none of the options put forward would be successful, but never to raise any possibility. Ahh!, no!!, of course doing nothing and totally leaving the hardware is the solution.... isn't it?? And that will be the best thing for the market and the competition won't it??

they videogame market and it's segments are already very well established.

NO, it is not, on the contrary, the market has never been so diversified and will be more so in the future with game streaming.

Nowadays you have dozens of ways to play the same game. It's what publishers and studios are seeing and that's why their games will be released in every possible medium and platform. The new generations are less and less subject to playing only on one platform.

I'm pointing out people crying about how Xbox going away will not offer competition against Sony.

If MS stops making hardware of any kind, it's certainly not going to help the competition... I don't know what the point is.

I'm saying that this move in relation to PS vs Xbox is not going to do anything regarding competition.

Again, what's not going to do anything for the competition is for MS to totally abandon the hardware and become EA or TakeTwo. Then, unlike you, I do believe that a hybrid Xbox console or even an/or open Xbox Handlead can improve the market and competitiveness. Even if they end up being niche products.

If... again. MS/Xbox's track record is the only thing we have

whatever ms is trying to do. is going to live in a very weird and niche space

Being niche doesn't have to be a bad thing either. Perhaps that's the best space for XBOX hardware and even for its fans, for the market and the competition

What is clear is that for some here the only valid option (or rather wish) is for MS to try nothing and stop betting on hardware of any kind. Almost as if they were terrified that they would have the chance (no matter how minimal or miraculous) that it could end up being "successful"

thus...they are not in the console market.

There comes a time to discuss what the console market is from the user/gamer's point of view and not from the business point of view. The line has never been further away when players only see places or platforms to play a game. Today, 99% of games (which are becoming more and more difficult to make and amortize) can be played in different ways, places, and platforms.

 

[poppabk]

I jumped ship and is on PC now but the PC route is definitely a great idea. As long as the hardware is good enough to run PC versions without downscaling too much.

But they need to have a better launcher with a proper big picture mode! Or let Steam boot Gamepass and Xbox app games.

If this rumor is true then a PC 'Xbox' OS, likely on ARM, is almost a given.