Sanepar
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Gabe loves MS and it is a ex employee so I don't trust him.
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The next Xbox has a heavy Windows slant and will be a reference device for manufacturers making devices like the ASUS ROG Ally most likely.
twilo99
Member
They are certainly going to make hardware…
twilo99
Member
Sony will go out of their way to prevent that from happening
BlackTron
Gold Member
Wrong. This entire thread is about how they are bowing out. Not sure you understand it.
BlackTron
Gold Member
Well there's yet another reason it will need to be expensive. What kind of specs will they need to run a Xbox 360 game like a Series S can?
bitbydeath
Member
I think this is a good indication of what to expect:
Microsoft demos 'Baldur's Gate 3', 'Borderlands' running at 30 FPS on the new Snapdragon X Elite Windows on Arm platform, with auto Super Resolution support in tow
Microsoft's impressive Windows on Arm gaming demonstration offers a glimpse at the future.
www.windowscentral.com
BlackTron
Gold Member
They aren't trying to convince people to buy this hardware. That's a job for the manufacturers who so choose to make it. They just want to sell games now. If this gets an install base the size of Steam Deck (tiny for a "mass market console"), that's fine because they've washed their hands of it as it's not their hardware and they are selling the same games everywhere else too.
MarkMe2525
Member
That point is exactly why I'm getting my hopes up.Look, that would be an opportunity and a good asset to make the "console/PC" more appealing... In fact, Meta at MS has collaborated quite a bit in the promotion of QuestVR and its opening.
demigod
Member
Let’s just make shit up why don’t we? Xbox series SSD sure are cheap isn’t it? Steam machines sure were cheap that’s why its still here amirite?
Gotta love folks who want to rewrite history.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
That sounds like a lock for the handheld. But I'm sure they are targeting higher than BG3 at 30fps for a $1000+ console.I think this is a good indication of what to expect:
Microsoft demos 'Baldur's Gate 3', 'Borderlands' running at 30 FPS on the new Snapdragon X Elite Windows on Arm platform, with auto Super Resolution support in tow
Microsoft's impressive Windows on Arm gaming demonstration offers a glimpse at the future.
Drell
Member
I fear this too but it wouldn't have made any sense for him to declare that Linux was the future of gaming and build an entire distro to put on a portable device + a lot of contributions to wine to make proton.
Snowdonhoffen
Member
But wait, am I understanding this right? does this mean those third party consoles would have multiple configurations and vary in power?
What would that mean for the games themselves? we know console games are locked or capped to run at certain settings, if this consoles will be design to run Xbox games... would developers have to keep in mind multiple skus just for Xbox? or do you think there will be like some guidelines to have 2 or 3 different consoles tiers so it makes it easier for devs?
I'm just might be overthinking it lol
What would that mean for the games themselves? we know console games are locked or capped to run at certain settings, if this consoles will be design to run Xbox games... would developers have to keep in mind multiple skus just for Xbox? or do you think there will be like some guidelines to have 2 or 3 different consoles tiers so it makes it easier for devs?
I'm just might be overthinking it lol
djjinx2
Member
Consoles generated more revenue from game sales in 2023 than Steam and other PC distribution platforms. Both markets grew in 2023. (source)
MarkMe2525
Member
I would like to point out that
Mister Wolf
made an assertion that was contingent on a strategy that involved selling a machine that is "more affordable" than a high end machine, he claimed this would be a "smart move". In the comments you quoted, he never asserted that this would be the case for certain. I'm sure he would agree that it would not be a "smart move" to sell a Xbox branded PC that costs more than a similarly spec'd PC, without some compelling added value proposition.
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demigod
Member
I know what he meant and I still stand by it. If you knew anything about Steam Machines you’d know what I meant. Steam Machines were heavily overpriced. You could’ve built an equivalent for more than $300 cheaper.I would like to point out that
Goodluck if you think you can buy these OEM xboxes for cheaper than a PC.
MarkMe2525
Member
So you stand by strawmaning
Mister Wolf
's statement? I know "a thing" about steam machines and question there relevance, beyond a similarity in approach (and even that is an assumption). These would not be steam machines and to make any specific comparisons, at this point in time, would ironically be just "making shit up".
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demigod
Member
No, I’m pretty sure you don’t know.So you stand by strawmaning
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MarkMe2525
Member
You're pretty I don't know? You should stick to just leaving "lol" emojis
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demigod
Member
Fixed
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
I don't even see the point of 3rd party consoles, they need to make margins on the hardware and will have to upsell with higher specs, aka a PC.
Microsoft are just making PC's.
Microsoft are just making PC's.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
10 million MAX!
Nonehxc
Member
Hero of Spielberg
Gold Member
I have a PC too, but if this gives me a 'console experience' with GP and the ability to access other libraries, e.g. Steam, I'd buy one.
nial
Gold Member
Don't worry, it will not be a console. They're Windows 12 machines.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I have said this many times here but a lot of people do not want to game on a PC but would buy this Xbox - PC if its based around the Xbox console experience
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Remove the xbox branding (too tainted) call it a surface gaming pc, give all existing Xbox series and Xbox ones full Windows.
Bam you're done. No more Xbox, MS can focus their efforts on PC and get too work on making an actually good launcher.
People who say they won't beat Playstation with that model... no shit. They're not a console manufacturer for much longer but they can still make gaming related hardware- it's been one of their biggest businesses even before Xbox
Bam you're done. No more Xbox, MS can focus their efforts on PC and get too work on making an actually good launcher.
People who say they won't beat Playstation with that model... no shit. They're not a console manufacturer for much longer but they can still make gaming related hardware- it's been one of their biggest businesses even before Xbox
Mibu no ookami
Member
That would mean 1 in 3 current users would pay 700, 800, 1000 to stay in the ecosystem... I doubt that.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It'll be less smart when the Xbox Next is priced at $799.
hybrid_birth
Gold Member
If you thought branding confusion was bad now , wait until you have 7 different xbox models.
Going to be alot of disappointed kids at Christmas.
But mom I wanted Microsoft xbox not the MSI xbox.
Going to be alot of disappointed kids at Christmas.
But mom I wanted Microsoft xbox not the MSI xbox.
Mister Wolf
Member
The priority is no longer hardware.
reinking
Gold Member
It's like PC's and PC games did not exist when consoles came to the market. There is a reason consoles entered the market. People wanted a simple and reasonably priced device that plugs into your TV to play video games on. That desire has not gone away as far as I can tell. We are enthusiast and think that way. IMO, the masses would just as well go to phone gaming as PC gaming. MS might be on the right path if they truly are working toward a hybrid PC/gaming console but to think suddenly everyone is going to research and buy a gaming PC is a stretch. At least for the next few generations.
cash_longfellow
Member
The thread title makes my brain mushy.
Fredrik
Member
It would just be the PC versions with preset low/mid/high choices as usual. No traditional console versions would be needed. That’s one of few real upsides to this PC strategy.
No idea how they would deal with Playstation versions though. Would be odd if they stepped in and invested in real dev teams just to make Playstation versions. They would need a Nixxes team that can do proper good ports relatively fast like how Sony do it, 1 year projects. Or maybe they’ll do some emulation layer thing?
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Depends on what you mean by “a lot”
The number of those people is a small fraction of the current Xbox series install base, due to the increase in cost
I do believe this new hardware strategy is more about maintaining their legacy to existing customers than anything else
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
You deserve your own documentary
Fall of the Green Rats, Episode 1: Delusions of a Man, a byte.
Directed by Timdog
Produced by Mike Ybarra
Special cameo by Senjutsu Sage
Kazekage1981
Member
Remember when nintendo asked sony to develop playstation, but scrapped it? Then sony was entering the console market and everybody was shitting that it doesnt have a mascot hero like sega/nintendo and sony and it would be doom for them?
It is my speculation that MS is working towards gaming where it is not limited by local hardware but tapping into computational power of AI through the CLOUD. Remember cloud gaming? Both AI and cloud is the future where developers can tap into almost unlimited computational power. A traditional console box form factor is going to be dead, just 2-3 generations more at best. Xbox branding-marketing is dead, but gaming isnt. We will see realism at a much-accelerated pace with MS.
ARM is also the future for mobile gaming with 5G connection and soon 6G.
OEMS can also contribute by releasing their own proprietary technology that can offer unique game experiences such as: controllers, VR headsets, Augmented Reality, etc.
The possibilities are all there, and being locked into comparing to Sony or even Nintendo is just constraining yourself. Things have changed and evolved drastically.
I think the future looks bright. Something must die in order to give birth to something new, otherwise it's going to drag and drown you.
It is my speculation that MS is working towards gaming where it is not limited by local hardware but tapping into computational power of AI through the CLOUD. Remember cloud gaming? Both AI and cloud is the future where developers can tap into almost unlimited computational power. A traditional console box form factor is going to be dead, just 2-3 generations more at best. Xbox branding-marketing is dead, but gaming isnt. We will see realism at a much-accelerated pace with MS.
ARM is also the future for mobile gaming with 5G connection and soon 6G.
OEMS can also contribute by releasing their own proprietary technology that can offer unique game experiences such as: controllers, VR headsets, Augmented Reality, etc.
The possibilities are all there, and being locked into comparing to Sony or even Nintendo is just constraining yourself. Things have changed and evolved drastically.
I think the future looks bright. Something must die in order to give birth to something new, otherwise it's going to drag and drown you.
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DeltaPolarBear
Member
I hope you are joking... Because I can almost believe you are serious.
Renting is always more expensive than owning. And streaming is just another type of hardware renting. Yes, you can access literal supercomputers via remote connection. But they cost an arm and a leg just from the hourly rent. There is a reason people get ripped off renting white goods. No one has the kind of money to pay for hardware rental that actually would be profitable for the hardware owner.
GamePass needed to be much more expensive than they are now to make money. Unfortunately they lose customers if they raise prices, so there is no winning. That's just the issue with gaming being a luxury, people will go without.
Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
Man, some of you just can’t let go with the BS.
You understand that the very nation where Microsoft was founded - US - has terrible internet infrastructure with data caps and even areas of no / very slow internet? Other countries are even worse. And you are assuming everyone is running unlimited fiber.
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MisterXDTV
Member
What console experience?
A console is a machine developers specifically target when they make games..
This is not a console, it's an OEM PC with a Xbox sticker on it...
Let's call it like it is: a pathetic effort to hide the fact that Xbox as a platform is dead and buried
They can try to hide it, but it's the reality of the situation
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Problem with Steam machines was they ran an operating system that was incompatible with 90% of peoples libraries, that won't be the case will full Windows compatibility on the next Xbox. The main issue is how locked down, will this be limited to games off the Windows/Xbox store or can you load your own exe's? They're not gonna sell a 499 box without making that money back somehow.
I think the future Xbox consoles would work better to showcase the latest DirectX features, like incorporating DirectStorage as standard to help grow an install base and increase adoption of technologies on the Windows side.
Mister Wolf
Member
Doubt it will be $500 and there is already rumors of it having Steam on it.
Kokoloko85
Member
Valve will also release a "home console", like the did a portable with Steamdeck.
Then 3rd party will make SteamOS consoles lile they are gonna make these windows machines for xbox
Then 3rd party will make SteamOS consoles lile they are gonna make these windows machines for xbox
AyraSutoraifu
Member
Enough, enough people don't want or can have a pc and want a console. But this is hard to grasp for some.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Weird that I get no results on Amazon when I search for "Nintendo handheld with a plastic dongle that allows you to play it on a TV to make you think you're still playing a traditional console"
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twilo99
Member
This really is the ultimate conundrum here…
Licensing the “Xbox experience” to different OEMs while still making their own is an interesting move. They do the exact same thing with the surface line of products, but this console biz is more complicated.
Badlucktroll
Member
Is the Xbox brand popular enough for the “Xbox experience” to be successful, or will it just get ignored?
balls of snow
Member
PC and playstation it is then next gen. Rip to xbox. May you live on as pc gamepass forever more.