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The Odyssey (2026) Trailer
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roosnam1980
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any leaked pics of lupita nyong'o ?
Doczu
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Nope.
Well shut, if we are talking rousing battle speeches, then let's just go to the grand daddy of them all!
Angry_Megalodon
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It's pathetic that nobody in Hollywood can deliver great epic lines anymore. It's all cheap cynicism, snarky humor, and 4th wall breaking metabullshit. Emasculated men can't write alfa dudes, not even in their fantasies they can't stop being cucks.
AJUMP23
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Very few find value in the works of Shakespear. And much of that great delivery is developed in the delivery of his work. Many of the great actors of the past cut their teeth in theater, so that when they got in front of the camera it was natural.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
I've never been a fan of his movies but I will watch this to see how bad it actually is. Who doesn't enjoy a good train wreck?
diffusionx
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You say this like the movie will have some self awareness and be in on the joke… there is no evidence of that.
I always thought th Odyssey was a funny and light hearted and absurd poem… the idea of a bunch of suitors just eating and living in his house for a decade is pretty hilarious, for example, or Achilles saying that dying a hero's death kind of sucks because you're dead.
but this movie seems to be playing it totally straight and grim.
intbal
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You must have missed my previous post:
As for my post that you were responding to, I was merely offering a possibility based on the nature of the material. Not describing what I think was going to happen.
diffusionx
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We agree… just saying that there is no evidence that he understands this material or has any insights in it. What you said is an interesting premise but the filmmaker has to do it intentionally.
I was looking at comparisons between Troy (which was a pretty schlocky movie) and the old swords and sandals epics and it's crazy how far filmmaking has regressed.
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Jinzo Prime
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I doubt this movie will bomb. I mean, people love Avatar of all things.
Wolzard
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Oppenheimer is a 2023 film. The diversity rules apply to movies released in 2024 for nomination at Oscar 2025.
Nevermore74
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Flop of the year.
falconhoof
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ChuckeRearmed
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It feels like Nolan was told by someone to be inclusive or else.
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He wants an award more than making a good film.
Angry_Megalodon
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Back in the day, I thought Troy was a mediocre or slightly above average movie. Compared to the stuff filmed today, it feels like a masterpiece. Hollywood has fallen off a cliff.
This. This is Oscar Bait, the Movie.
1000% this.
that is what i said and then I read this.
yep. oppenheimer passed these requirements despite not meeting the casting requirements.
Doczu
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I think he was "asked" to make sure the movie can win an award, cause that's both good publicity and better revenue
falconhoof
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but Oppenheimer got past the woke rules without all this casting nonsenseI think he was "asked" to make sure the movie can win an award, cause that's both good publicity and better revenue
and here's the sad thing Paige even though they say they're happy they're very unwell f you watch videos of them just look at their eyes it's very sadIt's fucking wild.
To go from Inception to Deception
only reason I'm using proper pronoun is because I don't want to get lambasted buy some woke Tards that are on Gaff
Madflavor
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It's fucking wild.
To go from Inception to Deception
That's what mental illness does to somebody.
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Making a movie that can potentially become a classic or a movie that will live in infamy? Hard choice. Maybe this will be the film that puts a nail in forced inclusivity I say this as a Mexican.I think he was "asked" to make sure the movie can win an award, cause that's both good publicity and better revenue
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John Bilbo
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I've yet to read Odyssey. I wonder which translation is the recommended one. There are several on Kobo.
I went with Fitzgerald for my last reading. Fagles is also very popular.
falconhoof
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Chuck Berry
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Yes, in no way is Homer's intention for Odysseus to be a reprehensible character. He overcomes situations that would be guaranteed death for anyone else through deception and manipulation as needed, sure, but it is in the righteous service of getting home and with piety to the gods, and it is presented as heroic intelligence and cunning, not immoral. Maybe Emily also resents the fact that Penelope is sitting at home faithfully with tears of sorrow in her eyes while Odysseus is hooking up with goddesses for a significant portion of the time away, but that's also pretty much a mandatory part of his quest.
What a shame. The red flags are accumulating.
ChuckeRearmed
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Yeah. Homer was telling tells basically and tells are hero's journey really. For some reason a lot of western writers and others are too obsessed with the idea that "nobody is perfect". In real life - not, but that's the whole point of all these stories to inspire, to hear the epic and so on. You don't need "grey" philosophy in these things. Even the Gladiator was a hero's journey but with a tragic ending. I doubt anybody could write it today. Would probably have Maximus being bad towards germanic tribes
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NeoGiffer
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Also need to keep in mind that the story predates Christian concepts of morality by >1000 years. It is pointless for Odysseus to die 'honorably' by only telling the truth or fighting the enemy head-on. His mission is to return to his home, family, and throne, and to kill the suitors who are trying to take over. It's a justified mission, and he does what it takes to get there. Heroic apotheosis in Greek mythology is more about epic deeds and service to the gods' whims than acting saintly. If you die without accomplishing your mission, it's over.Yeah. Homer was telling tells basically and tells are hero's journey really. For some reason a lot of western writers and others are too obsessed with the idea that "nobody is perfect". In real life - not, but that's the whole point of all these stories to inspire, to hear the epic and so on. You don't need "grey" philosophy in these things. Even the Gladiator was a hero's journey but with a tragic ending. I doubt anybody could write it today. Would probably have Maximus being bad towards germanic tribes
There's also the feminist translation of Ovid being pushed by Penguin where the female translator changed every sexual encounter to be called rape because it didn't involve modern standards of consent. Please, just stop, ladies.
It's also important to remember that the only way to really "make your mark" with a 'new' translation of such a classic, already oft translated, is to spice it up significantly.
Now I don't automatically reject such things, but if you are gonna dick around with it and try to modernize it, go all the way, not half ass it
Fuck, you should be. No go out there and yell "OPA" from the rooftops during your 5 hour lunch from your 6 hour a day government job
falconhoof
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Nolan's movie, from what we've seen feels like subversion. Some of the critiques I read earlier on the Wilson "translation" was how it's a poor version to give someone and tell them it's Homer's The Odyssey when it is not.
No one watched Romeo and Juliet thinking that's straight Shakespeare, and that's key. I haven't watched that movie since '96, but I remember enjoying it and how it went all out.
I'd hate to think of people watching it this movie and coming away thinking whatever bastardized story it's going to have is the real deal.
If Nolan wanted to go all creative with this then he should have done some time looping, sci-fi, twist up. Fuck, look at Ulysses 31 for a take on the idea.
Donald mac Ronald
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The American accents arent that bad. Surprised Robert Patterson is doing an American accent for this though.
I thought it was an unwritten rule to use British accents in historical epics.
I thought it was an unwritten rule to use British accents in historical epics.
falconhoof
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IIRC the dialogue itself is pretty close to the play in many areas. VISUALLY Luhrman captured a new generation, but the spirit and "good parts" from Shakespeare remain.
With The Odyssey, it seems the opposite. It's not particularly stylish, nor is it paying homage to the technicolor classics of the 50's that, I think, a LOT of folks wanted Nolan to aim for. It's a shame, really, because you can really hit hard with the story if you just commit to it. Hell, even a modern version of a war weary vet wanting to pull back from endless foreign conflict and retreat to a nostalgic version of "home" having to fight all the temptations and hazards of such a choice, only to find home infested with parasites and leeches he has to flush out....that'd fucking SELL today, I bet.
I'll defend Costners Robin Hood till the end though, such a great film. And oddly enough I always feel like Cary Elwes is faking his accent, even in interviews, because of how well he can do an american one or that he's the one 'native' speaker in a film of yanks faking it
Wildebeest
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Are people finally going to stop huffing Nolan's farts and saying they smell like roses?
Unknown Soldier
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Edit: lmao already posted never mind
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for that happened a while ago, with Interstellar. Never understood folks love for that film. Then to follow it with Tenet, the audio mix alone was an atrocity. Oppenheimer was aight, though I feel RDJ was too hammy and didn't deserve the Oscar. But it wins for dah boobies
good grief, Bernthal looks like a russian gangster from the 90's. WTF is he wearing?Not seeing this shot in the latest trailer, so may not be authentic, but it's blowing up on twitter. Would probably confirm Lupita as Helen
