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[Nobody_Important]

I don't know but isn't Texas been open for awhile and the sky hasn't fallen?

Texan here. Yes things have been open, but people have still been strictly following social distancing and wear masks here.


But before that Texas was one of the worst states in the country for awhile there. Our numbers were absolutely insane.

 

[Sub_Level]

My office has officially dropped all mask requirements since we're all vaccinated. Feels good man.

 

[Mitsuda Maniac]

I'll probably wear my mask for awhile longer just to be safe, but it's refreshing to see things finally start getting back to normal. I've also noticed that most people I know have reacted the same way in that they will still be wearing their masks out of caution.


People aren't dumb. They know the risk isn't magically gone just because the White House put out a tweet.

The risk is gone for you when you are fully vaccinated. To argue otherwise is just being anti-science.

 

[Yamisan]

Giant Eagle is still going to require people to wear one to shop there after the mandate is lifted, I'm assuming a lot of other retailers will follow.

 

[Jaysen]

People need to come to grips with the fact that the vaccines worked, and you can be safe without a mask now. Just like idiots need to come to grips with the fact that vaccines work, and get one.

 

[p_xavier]

Fuck off Health Canada.

 

[Svengoolie007]

End of the "pandemic" but the beginning of the "otherization." Now places will have a legitimate reason to require some kind of vaccine passport. The people who loved the mask will remove them, and then those who don't want the vaccine will be the dirty people that have to keep the masks on. Things could get really ugly from here.

 

[Mitsuda Maniac]

End of the "pandemic" but the beginning of the "otherization." Now places will have a legitimate reason to require some kind of vaccine passport. The people who loved the mask will remove them, and then those who don't want the vaccine will be the dirty people that have to keep the masks on. Things could get really ugly from here.

You haven't been paying attention. Those who love masks will keep wearing them forever and will not agree with any CDC recommendations to remove mandates until the virus has been completely wiped off the face of the planet (which will never ever happen). Based on their gut, this is all happening too soon and they are making a huge mistake!

 

[CloudNull]

End of the "pandemic" but the beginning of the "otherization." Now places will have a legitimate reason to require some kind of vaccine passport. The people who loved the mask will remove them, and then those who don't want the vaccine will be the dirty people that have to keep the masks on. Things could get really ugly from here.

Logically I am not sure this is possible long term.

For example if a vaccine card must be presented to enter an establishment what prevents people from getting a fake one? Barcode or QR code would be the only way to prevent this. But then that means every shop will need unique barcode and QR code readers and some one that can trouble shoot the reader when it doesn't work correctly. Even if this happens then it means the readers are pinging out to the medical database to verify the card is correct. This has so many HIPPA violations that it seems impossible not to mention it opens up security attack avenues.

To me it seems reasonable that local Governments will set requirement thresholds. "Soon as X amount of people are vaccinated in the state we will match our guidelines to the CDC removing requirements for social distancing indoors." Each state will have their own paths to reopening.

For example in OR the governor has stated that stores can remove the mask requirement if they verify all users coming into the store have been vaccinated. They say if they chose to not deal with the hassle then to wait for further guidelines to be given out over the next few days. A recovery plan is being built and I have no idea how strict it will be for my state but am excited to see what it is.

 

[Azzurri]

My state is lifting all sanctions they had in place for COVID in 2 weeks.

No more masks!

 

[Happosai]

Logically I am not sure this is possible long term.

For example if a vaccine card must be presented to enter and establishment what prevents people from getting a fake one? Barcode or QR code would be the only way to prevent this. But then that means every shop will need unique barcode and QR code readers and some one that can trouble shoot the reader when it doesn't work correctly. Even if this happens then it means the readers are pinging out to the medical database to verify the card is correct. This has so many HIPPA violations that it seems impossible not to mention it opens up security attack avenues.

To me it seems reasonable that local Governments will set requirement thresholds. "Soon as X amount of people are vaccinated in the state we will match our guidelines to the CDC removing requirements for social distancing indoors." Each state will have their own paths to reopening.

For example in OR the governor has stated that stores can remove the mask requirement if they verify all users coming into the store have been vaccinated. They say if they chose to not deal with the hassle then to wait for further guidelines to be given out over the next few days. A recovery plan is being built and I have no idea how strict it will be for my state but am excited to see what it is.

Agreed on this too. You won't be able to weed out who's had the vaccine with or without a card. If it was a requirement to have a card; of course people can easily get around that. Besides, we've never had to go to that extreme with previous vaccines. It all comes down to the individual owning up to taking care of their own health. People just need to do the smart/responsible thing and get the vaccine. Not just once but follow-up and get additional booster shots if necessary.

I still believe that it's not a great time to be crowding gathering though. Before this virus, people acted extremely irresponible during normal flu seasons and infecting entire groups/families by simply not going out or taking better care at distancing in public. The lesson that "should have been learned" is that those who feel sick with anything -- need to stay at home. Regular influenza carries a high risk too and yet only a small percentage were getting vaccines for that. So, this is testing things on a much larger scale. If someone does feel like leaving the mask on for a year...so what? If we see the numbers drop down into the 100's for new cases in the next 12-months...only then I would say it's "safe" to start returning to regular activities. The numbers are still pretty bloody high. Once again, making this a challenge for people to start bring back normality with moderation.

 

[Raven117]

I don't know but isn't Texas been open for awhile and the sky hasn't fallen?

Nope, sure hasn't. (and it wasn't because people still weren't going out. Restaurants, bars, lots of social things were all packed. Sure, there were was some mitigation being done on the private business level, but not enough to really offset anything. And besides, we would have seen the uptick in the rural areas (who never gave an eff about the guidance anyway...and there hasn't been that uptick)).

I'll probably wear my mask for awhile longer just to be safe, but it's refreshing to see things finally start getting back to normal. I've also noticed that most people I know have reacted the same way in that they will still be wearing their masks out of caution.


People aren't dumb. They know the risk isn't magically gone just because the White House put out a tweet.

Remember way back when you and I were discussing when this would occur? I said Memorial Day. Looks like I was right (to some extent).

Regardless, you do you man. I'm glad things will start getting back to normal, no matter how its sliced up. (I'll probably wear mine until HEB says its not required, and I look awesome in a bandana).

 

[Hulk_Smash]

End of the "pandemic" but the beginning of the "otherization." Now places will have a legitimate reason to require some kind of vaccine passport. The people who loved the mask will remove them, and then those who don't want the vaccine will be the dirty people that have to keep the masks on. Things could get really ugly from here.

Yep. The New Segregation is coming and in some states/countries, already here. The good thing is for "extra dirty" people like me who refuse to get either one* is that I'm pretty creative with my family time and I don't need to go to crowded venues to have fun. I'll miss it, of course, but any place at this point that turns me away at the door based on either standard will lose my money forever. I am one grudge-holding SOB, I will admit. Oh and in before "muh freedomz".

*Friendly reminder that I am not anti-vaccine. I encourage everyone to look into getting one and to treat me like 90s Charles Barkley: I am not a role model. I don't know you. Base your decision on people you know and trust- like your doctor.

Unless his last name is Fauci.

 

[RAÏSanÏa]

Newer studies also show that there's 3.5x more protection giving doses 12 weeks in between for the mRNA vaccines. But yes vaccinating 2x more people at 0,80 than x at 0,95 was a good choice.

Exactly around 12 weeks, not earlier/not later, for the studied groups according to some news report.

Fuck off Health Canada.

What's the problem? More people want the vaccine according to polls(closer to 80% than the USA's 60%). It's possible to get closer to herd immunity with vaccines there. Different countries, different solutions.

 

[Mihos]

Ugly people should probably keep their mask on out of an abundance of caution

 

[ChanerRedone]

Yes. They have no right to tell nor should they.

No right to tell what? Their opinions?

 

[Virt McPolygon]

Been wearing masks during cold and flu season for years and haven't been sick in a long time.

Fully vaccinated and was still planning on wearing a mask at least until summer to see where numbers go from this lol

 

[Deleted member 17706]

No right to tell what? Their opinions?

You responded "Are they wrong?" to the post that said, "Now people are crying that there's no way to tell who has been vaccinated or not. Wait for it..."

Now, I may have misunderstood you, but I interpreted your post as asking (rhetorically, I assume) if people are wrong to cry about it, to which I responded that, yes, they would be wrong since they have no right to know anyone's vaccination status.

 

[RAÏSanÏa]

Fully vaccinated and was still planning on wearing a mask at least until summer to see where numbers go from this lol

It's your health and you're taking responsibility for it.

Numbers will still remain high with the number of unvaccinated who don't want it. The USA had to open up to reach herd immunity or be in a seemingly endless lockdown. Maybe they'll reach it by Fall. Party USA!!

 

[Amory]

our unelected interim mayor in Boston is still clinging to her August 22nd full re-opening date

more than 3 months from now lol.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Nope, sure hasn't. (and it wasn't because people still weren't going out. Restaurants, bars, lots of social things were all packed. Sure, there were was some mitigation being done on the private business level, but not enough to really offset anything. And besides, we would have seen the uptick in the rural areas (who never gave an eff about the guidance anyway...and there hasn't been that uptick)).


Remember way back when you and I were discussing when this would occur? I said Memorial Day. Looks like I was right (to some extent).

And I said people would still be wearing them come summer. So I was right.

 

[Kev Kev]

Fully vaccinated and was still planning on wearing a mask

 

[SlimySnake]

My kids are still not vaccinated so I am gonna continue wearing the mask for now.

 

[Virt McPolygon]

Why are fully vaccinated people still catching the virus?

 

[ManaByte]

Why are fully vaccinated people still catching the virus?

 

[jason10mm]

This is worse. Now I gotta remember to bring a mask for the 50% of places that suggest one (though I bet NO ONE will boot you out for not wearing a mask) and it will take 3-4 weeks for folks to not have a knee-jerk reaction to meeting someone else face to face.

Time to start those lip injections and 'stash waxings again ladies!!!

 

[Raven117]

And I said people would still be wearing them come summer. So I was right.

Some folks will be wearing them for awhile. Hard to let go.

But, regardless, its over the vaccinated. Things over the coming weeks will be changing alot. (Especially now that NYC is opening, and since the media is there, it will feel normal to them, though its felt normal in Texas (and other places) for quite some time).

 

[StormCell]

this doesn’t make sense to me as i assume the whole point of this is to push people to get vaccinated

how will this declaration stop unvaccinated people from not wearing masks? they need some sort of vaccination passport system in place if it’s to succeed

Or if you're vaccinated you can just not worry about it?

 

[down 2 orth]

Divided by race, generation, politics, and now mask... I wonder when most people will start to catch on.

 

[Mitsuda Maniac]

Why are fully vaccinated people still catching the virus?

Because the tests are sensitive enough to detect CV, but the person is asymptomatic. That's what happens to you after the vaccine. You can still contract the virus but very likely there will be no symptoms or contagiousness. It is essentially a 100% chance you will not die from CV if you are vaccinated

 

[NahaNago]

This seems rather quick. I was expecting this to happen right after summer.

 

[Happosai]

Why are fully vaccinated people still catching the virus?

The number of those who caught the virus that had the vaccination is close to zero. If you get the vaccination, follow-up, and boost (if necessary); chances are you will not get the virus at all. If a new strain comes through -- it's possible. That's why CDC posted that announcement, albiet should have been more elaborate because we know how people ready things on the internet. But they are correct, those who are regularly vaxed do not need to wear the mask, unless they choose to.

 

[Liljagare]

Hate to be a pessimist, but I think the penny will drop during fall, things will not really go back to normal yet, we need another milestone to happen. This will be a calm in the storm, and follows the pattern of the Spanish Flu. We allready have the P1 mutation that dodges the vaccines, courtesy of Brazil.

Who the heck knows how it's going to mutate in India!

 

[ntropy]

 

[CloudNull]

A lot of people addicted to their fear porn.... anyways have a great weekend gaf. We all gonna make it.

 

[DeepBreath87]

She’s clearly very concerned about her health.

 

[down 2 orth]

A lot of people addicted to their fear porn.... anyways have a great weekend gaf. We all gonna make it.

Wow that's awesome for me, I go to Trader Joe's all the time. Keep it up with the good news CloudNull !

 

[ManaByte]

A lot of people addicted to their fear porn.... anyways have a great weekend gaf. We all gonna make it.

Except in CA where they only believe in science up to a point.

 

[Happosai]

Hate to be a pessimist, but I think the penny will drop during fall, things will not really go back to normal yet, we need another milestone to happen. This will be a calm in the storm, and follows the pattern of the Spanish Flu. We allready have the P1 mutation that dodges the vaccines, courtesy of Brazil.

Who the heck knows how it's going to mutate in India!

That's what I was getting to a certain degree. Historically, people held off with different pandemics a bit longer before doing a safety dance. Likewise, the vaccine isn't going to do anything on these mutations. So, if you've got some tourist from one of the said countries with the mutation parading it out in Disneyworld without a mask; we're talking a pretty big second outbreak for the U.S.

If you have the vaccine, fine - don't wear a mask. But if you choose to go into large groups without a mask; no one gave the green light that those a 'virus free zones.' Seems this is an internet thing too as I'm seeing a lot of Tweets in here. Taking health advice from Twitter is probably a bigger mistake than anything else.

 

[Mitsuda Maniac]

That's what I was getting to a certain degree. Historically, people held off with different pandemics a bit longer before doing a safety dance. Likewise, the vaccine isn't going to do anything on these mutations. So, if you've got some tourist from one of the said countries with the mutation parading it out in Disneyworld without a mask; we're talking a pretty big second outbreak for the U.S.

If you have the vaccine, fine - don't wear a mask. But if you choose to go into large groups without a mask; no one gave the green light that those a 'virus free zones.' Seems this is an internet thing too as I'm seeing a lot of Tweets in here. Taking health advice from Twitter is probably a bigger mistake than anything else.

Thanks, professor.

 

[Happosai]

A lot of people addicted to their fear porn.... anyways have a great weekend gaf. We all gonna make it.

Well, it seems a bit hypocritcal once again labeling people who take precautions as addicted to fear porn. Take this into consideration without bias: Trader Joe's and whoever else decide they want to re-open...'no masks for anyone.' Remember, it's tedious and pointless to check to see who does or doesn't have the vaccination. So, many with the vaccination seem to think, "well, I can go without my mask and if someone's got it (COVID-19); who cares! I'm safe." The thing is, with the vague and irresponsible way the CDC released the message -- these places are going to pack capacity on holidays and weekends with unmasked people who will never get the vaccine (for whatever their reason is). The unmasked/unvaxed going to a Trader Joe's for instance can easily bring a family of 7 in for the night, all contagious and spread to another family/employee who didn't get the vax.

So what happens next?

The number sky rocket for COVID cases in the U.S. in the next couple months for those who refused to get the mask because we encouraged businesses to have a 'mask free' option. For those with the vaccines -- even if they're mostly immune; you'll be wearing a mask again in no time if the numbers spike up over Summer.

The CDC never encouraged people without the vaccine to go into these establishments without masks. But they're going to do it anyway...and everyone's going to be back at square 1. This is especially true for large businesses who aren't requiring vaccinations where people work in large numbers for long hours in confined spaces.

History repeats.

 

[Happosai]

Thanks, professor.

You're welcome, doctor.

 

[CloudNull]

More good news.

Well, it seems a bit hypocritcal once again labeling people who take precautions as addicted to fear porn. Take this into consideration without bias: Trader Joe's and whoever else decide they want to re-open...'no masks for anyone.' Remember, it's tedious and pointless to check to see who does or doesn't have the vaccination. So, many with the vaccination seem to think, "well, I can go without my mask and if someone's got it (COVID-19); who cares! I'm safe." The thing is, with the vague and irresponsible way the CDC released the message -- these places are going to pack capacity on holidays and weekends with unmasked people who will never get the vaccine (for whatever their reason is). The unmasked/unvaxed going to a Trader Joe's for instance can easily bring a family of 7 in for the night, all contagious and spread to another family/employee who didn't get the vax.

So what happens next?

The number sky rocket for COVID cases in the U.S. in the next couple months for those who refused to get the mask because we encouraged businesses to have a 'mask free' option. For those with the vaccines -- even if they're mostly immune; you'll be wearing a mask again in no time if the numbers spike up over Summer.

The CDC never encouraged people without the vaccine to go into these establishments without masks. But they're going to do it anyway...and everyone's going to be back at square 1. This is especially true for large businesses who aren't requiring vaccinations where people work in large numbers for long hours in confined spaces.

History repeats.

I’m on mobile now so my response won’t be nearly as elaborate.

I understand caution because I would hate for us to go backwards but statistically masks don’t do anything besides prevent the spread of droplets. Just look at Florida and Texas. Their cases are still plummeting with no form of restrictions.

The mask mandate should had been removed a long time ago.

The fear porn comment is for the people here hedging their bets that were going to be India number 2. It’s like they want to continue to see the world burn. Nothing wrong with the pessimism but I am overly optimistic. I will continue to flame the people addicted to fear and they can flame me for being overly optimistic if they feel the need.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Well, it seems a bit hypocritcal once again labeling people who take precautions as addicted to fear porn. Take this into consideration without bias: Trader Joe's and whoever else decide they want to re-open...'no masks for anyone.' Remember, it's tedious and pointless to check to see who does or doesn't have the vaccination. So, many with the vaccination seem to think, "well, I can go without my mask and if someone's got it (COVID-19); who cares! I'm safe." The thing is, with the vague and irresponsible way the CDC released the message -- these places are going to pack capacity on holidays and weekends with unmasked people who will never get the vaccine (for whatever their reason is). The unmasked/unvaxed going to a Trader Joe's for instance can easily bring a family of 7 in for the night, all contagious and spread to another family/employee who didn't get the vax.

So what happens next?

The number sky rocket for COVID cases in the U.S. in the next couple months for those who refused to get the mask because we encouraged businesses to have a 'mask free' option. For those with the vaccines -- even if they're mostly immune; you'll be wearing a mask again in no time if the numbers spike up over Summer.

The CDC never encouraged people without the vaccine to go into these establishments without masks. But they're going to do it anyway...and everyone's going to be back at square 1. This is especially true for large businesses who aren't requiring vaccinations where people work in large numbers for long hours in confined spaces.

History repeats.

Stay home. Please. For everyone’s benefit.

 

[Susurrus]

Ugly people should probably keep their mask on out of an abundance of caution

I feel personally attacked.

My kids are still not vaccinated so I am gonna continue wearing the mask for now.

That's how my wife and I feel. We still want our children masking due to them not being vaccinated, and it isn't fair to them (not to mention hard to enforce) if we don't wear one. Besides, my son's school won't be dropping masks any time soon.

If I'm by myself though, that may be another story....except for maybe the above mentioned ugly part.

 

[JayK47]

Geez, and I just did my monthly Costco shopping. Had I waited a few more days I could have gone maskless. Glad to see many businesses going maskless. Will be interesting to see who clings on to those damned things. I will likely avoid any place that requires a mask going forward.

 

[Happosai]

More good news.



I’m on mobile now so my response won’t be nearly as elaborate.

I understand caution because I would hate for us to go backwards but statistically masks don’t do anything besides prevent the spread of droplets. Just look at Florida and Texas. Their cases are still plummeting with no form of restrictions.

The mask mandate should had been removed a long time ago.

The fear porn comment is for the people here hedging their bets that were going to be India number 2. It’s like they want to continue to see the world burn. Nothing wrong with the pessimism but I am overly optimistic. I will continue to flame the people addicted to fear and they can flame me for being overly optimistic if they feel the need.

Well I'll end with an agreement to a degree with you. The fact you remain positive about this is a mindset myself and many others could benefit from. I agree, masks won't stop the spread - only to a measure lower risk of the infected from worsening the spread. Then again, I guess that depends using a decent mask which covers that nose and mouth. Anyway, didn't mean to piss a bunch of folks off in the thread. I too wish to go out again without feeling danger. Of course, progress like you're seeing is much farther off where I'm at and restrictions are still pretty high out here. Have a great weekend and no hard feelings.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

The number sky rocket for COVID cases in the U.S. in the next couple months for those who refused to get the mask because we encouraged businesses to have a 'mask free' option. For those with the vaccines -- even if they're mostly immune; you'll be wearing a mask again in no time if the numbers spike up over Summer.

The numbers will skyrocket just like they did in Texas after the mandate was lifted on March 2nd.

 

[Kev Kev]

we came. we saw. we kicked covids ass! fuck yeah america. masks are gone for-fucking-ever. lets celebrate

 

[Vicetrailia]

I just got back from Costco in a PNW state. No mask bitches!!!