You can.
Some titles I'll get in retail and other for download. For instance, I'll get Uncharted in case I want to sell it but I'll be downloading Wipeout/Virtua Tennis and games alike that I can just pick up and play.
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The PlayStation Vita In 2011-2012
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You can.
Some titles I'll get in retail and other for download. For instance, I'll get Uncharted in case I want to sell it but I'll be downloading Wipeout/Virtua Tennis and games alike that I can just pick up and play.
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But I don't understand the sentence One game I see being made on the psvita is lots of HD collections... what do you mean with that?welcome to NeoGAF by the way
He expects a lot of HD collections
I'd like to do that, but even 32gb won't be enough over time, especially if you're storing video and audio files on your Vita. I guess you can always delete/redownload stuff, but that's a pain in the ass. For now, I'm gonna stick with retail when I have the option.
Oh I see well the MGS HD collection thing is something of Konami actually with their transfarring
Why would you need to delete/redownload anything? just transfer it to your PC or PS3.
Raonak
Banned
Full digital. like with psp- the PS3 will be the storage for the games, and the ones i need i'll transfer onto the vita. So memory card size shouldn't be a huge problem. and worst comes to worst; Ill have multiple cards for multiple sets of games.
After the awesome convinicence of the PSPgo I'm staying digital.
ALSO: digital = forward compatibility.
Much like the PSP -> Vita situation, These vita carts might not be compatible for the next generation. while digital downloads likely will.
I have a strong feeling the next vita will just exist as an Xperia phone (Playstation Xperia?)
and on it they allow you to download and play all your PS1, PSP and Vita games on it.
Maybe I'm just tired, but I don't follow.
Can digital content purchased be backed up on a PC? Is it possible with the Vita?
Yes. You can transfer it using the Content Manager program.
Raonak
Banned
About the content manager:
at launch, on the PS3, when you copied a game stored on the ps3, it would then delete the game from the ps3. (basically moving rather than copying)
has that been fixed yet? also, does the same thing happen on PC?
because that just defeats the whole purpose of it. :/
at launch, on the PS3, when you copied a game stored on the ps3, it would then delete the game from the ps3. (basically moving rather than copying)
has that been fixed yet? also, does the same thing happen on PC?
because that just defeats the whole purpose of it. :/
That's probably on purpose. You'd have to transfer it back to the PS3 or PC before you delete it from your memory card if you don't want to redownload it.
Glorious Ownage
Member
Does anyone have a full listing of which launch games have infrastructure multiplayer yet?
If you have something on the memory card on your Vita but no longer want it there you transfer it back to your PC or PS3 or a Mac (eventually). There is no need to re download anything you buy from the PSN just because you currently don't want it in your Vita. When you want it again just transfer it back.
What's the benefit. Just saving bandwidth and time?
Finally got the chance to try a Vita today after waiting for so long and came away super impressed. Uncharted was loaded up first and, as expected, the lower resolution is almost a non-issue on the Vita screen itself. The game still looks clean and sharp despite the drop in resolution. Native would have been better for sure (Virtua Tennis 4 looked unbelievably sharp) but it wasn't half bad.
Thought the analog sticks felt great and I had no problems aiming out of the gate. Can't wait to get my hands on my own in less than two weeks.
Thought the analog sticks felt great and I had no problems aiming out of the gate. Can't wait to get my hands on my own in less than two weeks.
For the millions of people not on a half decent connection? yes?
For me to download Uncharted is going to take about 2.5 hours at best speed. Let's be realistic and say I don't get best speed from the PSN. Now I've previously deleted Uncharted from my Vita for some reason and I'm about to go out and want to play it again. If the options are have it sitting on my PC/PS3 ready to transfer in a couple of minutes, or waiting several hours for it to come back down the pipe I know which I'll choose.
Not only that, your game saves are (I'm fairly sure of this but hopefully someone else will confirm) tied directly into the game data and are not separate files. So when you delete a game from your memory stick your saves and data are gone with it. On that basis you'd always backup your Vita (and therefore have the game ready to copy over again) rather than just deleting and downloading it again which would mean no saves.
Ah, good info to know.
Unknown One
Member
Isn't there some kind of software manager on PC for that?
I'll get the 8 GB for now and wait for the price to drop for the others.
For the Game I'll pick up Hot Shot Golf I guess.
I'll get the 8 GB for now and wait for the price to drop for the others.
For the Game I'll pick up Hot Shot Golf I guess.
Raonak
Banned
Oh, you can transfer games vita games BACK to the PS3?
I thought it was just one-way like PSP.
good to hear then, I was afraid i would have to redownload a game again if i wanted to remove it from my memorycard.
You do all the managing from the Vita. There is no, and will probably never be, a program that you run on the PC to send things to the Vita.
Marty Chinn
Member
I'll go with the solution that guarantees me that my games will work in the future and that's physical copies.
Raonak
Banned
Meh. Judging by this generation, and how avaliable old games are via virtual console, PSN, etc. I'm not too worried about the future.
OneMoreQuestion
Member
Yeah like the UMD... Oh wait
My UMDs work fine 10 years from now on my PSP...
Marty Chinn
Member
Judging by this generation of PSN being shut down for weeks, people having their rights removed from Xbox Live, EA/Origin banning people which prevents their access to their paid games, Direct2Drive being bought out and people losing their games, and so forth, I think relying on servers to give us the right to access our paid content is something I don't want to have faith in 10 years from now.
My PSP still works fine. I'll never have to rely on a server to activate my game. I'll never have to worry about a server or a licensing issue denying me from downloading the game again.
Raonak
Banned
You realise once the game is on your memorycard, then it's as reliable as a physical game. vita doesn't ping back to sony for checks or anything. so yeah. you can have your whole library on memorycards and you won't have to worry about anything.
graywolf323
Member
until the disc gets scratched or the battery in the cartridge wears out and you can't save anymore...
As long as the original system works and the UMD doesn't break it'd always work, whereas you're server reliant for a download. Of course the inverse is true too as I outlined at the same time, and Sony's been great about allowing redownloads so it's more an issue of being able to still be able to BUY a game. Which is more a long term physical advantage, if only due to used copies.
Of course, the Vita will show if games that were pulled from digital purchase will be supported in BC, nevermind those that CAN still be bought not working, hough it sounds like they're working on those.
Marty Chinn
Member
When you transfer it to a PS3 or PC, doesn't it ping the server for DRM when you want to move it back to the Vita? Storage on a Vita is going to get tight over time with a limit of 32 gigs. Unless you're advocating buying several 32 gig cards which doesn't seem ideal.
Good thing I take care of my games. Batteries aren't used on games anymore so I don't see how that's even a point to bring up. Even if I somehow got into an accident with my game, I know shit happens sometimes, I could still buy another physical copy. What happens if the server shuts down? I won't be able to buy it again.
Raonak
Banned
Im not sure, since the vita itself handles all the datatransfering, the PC/PS3 doesn't actually do anything. EDIT: yeah, you need to be online. but it isn't a problem if you do the multiple/big memorycards approach.
I'm sure larger memorycards will come out with time, but i was just giving an example of a case where you can go ditial and not worry too much about sony's servers.
Shouldn't be an issue for the vita since every title will be avaliable as DD.
It's quite exciting actually, it's technically the first big console to have the option of going fully digital.
I also feel it should be stated that for all intents and purposes, digital distribution is very much still in its infancy. I think there are still a lot of kinks to be worked out.
Sure it would be optimistic to think that titles will never be taken down from the server, but there's always the possibility of a removed title being put back.
Some people are also not very good with taking care of their games or systems especially when you have kids or pets in the house so digital is probably a better option for them.
In the end you just have to do what you feel will work for you in the future. Some prefer physical copies and some prefer digital copies. I don't see why people argue so much over it as long as the people who want to play the games are getting a chance to play them.
Sure it would be optimistic to think that titles will never be taken down from the server, but there's always the possibility of a removed title being put back.
Some people are also not very good with taking care of their games or systems especially when you have kids or pets in the house so digital is probably a better option for them.
In the end you just have to do what you feel will work for you in the future. Some prefer physical copies and some prefer digital copies. I don't see why people argue so much over it as long as the people who want to play the games are getting a chance to play them.
graywolf323
Member
it's worth bringing up because it's not just disc based systems people still play from back in the day
the GBA carts have batteries *glares at my copy of Advance Wars that no longer holds a save*
and with digital I can backup my games if I want to so don't have to worry about servers going down
also what if you had a copy of Suikoden II bought back in the day when the price was reasonable, if that got damaged you're going to have to spend over $100 to replace it while if you have it digitally you don't have that concern
Marty Chinn
Member
How do you back up PS3 downloads or Xbox Live games?
Good thing with Advanced Wars and Suikoden II I have the means to create back ups that are DRM free. Plus even with the point of Suikoden, the point is you can still buy it even if it is rare and expensive where as if licensing rights have expired or a server goes down, there is absolutely no means of getting a replacement.
graywolf323
Member
you can back up your PS3 to an external hard drive and the Xbox now supports thumb drives so you could back up Xbox Live games that way as well
Marty Chinn
Member
Both only work on the device downloaded to. You can't restore to a new system. What happens when your system dies? You lose everything? We've seen plenty of issues with 360 having RRoD and PS3 with YLOD. I'm talking 10 years from now, not tomorrow. Not to mention you can't back up your data for these devices like you can on a computer. A real back up is multiple copies and off site storage. You can't do that here.
graywolf323
Member
where did you get that idea? you can restore to a new system and I've personally done it with both a 360 and a PS3
it's really starting to seem like you just irrationally hate digital distribution, I'm not saying it's perfect but it's definitely nowhere near as bad as you try to make it out to be
Marty Chinn
Member
How do you restore to a new system without talking to the server? There is DRM; otherwise people would copy them all the time and piracy would run rampant. I did a back up with my PS3 when I had to exchange my system due to the hardware defect related to GTA4. The downloads did not transfer. I had to redownload everything.
Except that probably isn't going to stop issues like publishers going out of business, licensing agreements expiring, etc. That's what I meant there, it's not a matter of a game going or not going on the store, it's a matter of being able to still buy the game AT ALL, and physical copies don't depend on these licensing arrangements to remain available short of maybe a few weird instances where a court intervenes, and even then there's only so much when it's scattered all over the place rather than consolidated on a few servers.
I'm not fully prepared to go all digital. I still like having tons of game boxes stacked next to and on top of one another. Partially to show it off and partially just for my collection. That part of gaming disappears once we go all digital. I'm picking up a 32GB just so I have space for all the download only games I want but for the most part I'll still be buying physical copies.
I'm all for a mixed approach being the way forward, but that's more I just want as many options as is reasonably doable. Things like you stated are part of why, I like having the physical objects and think it'd be really boring if a lot of media went purely to DD. At the same time, man, I may just not care enough about something to have a physical reminder of it laying around.
EDIT: Though, this also depends on the media. Games might well matter the least because once they're running there's no difference (maybe benefits) versus having a physical copy, whereas blu-rays/DVDs still have bonuses and other language tracks that I don't see implanted in digital download versions often enough, music has a few different formats that can make a difference at least to some people, and books where the experience of reading really CAN change with age and form of the book/ereader, nevermind that it's the only one of those that requires nothing but a knowledge of language and two working eyes (nevermind audio books since they're in the same area as music there). And all of those have sharing issues physical versions (usually) lack.
Raonak
Banned
I'm still going physical for my PS3 for the exact reason you stated. I like seeing my boxes.
But for handhelds, i always thought physical media was sorta contridictory to the whole nature of a portable.
so having a jutebox experience is more important to me than the boxes.
Plus, it looks like vita games don't have manuals either, and i'm not fond of the blue boxes, so that makes me miss it less.
Hello, and welcome to the internet.
For me the Vita is ideal because it gives people the choice, something they've never had before in a console. Day and date digital releases should have happened with the Go but never did, the Vita is setting that wrong right from the off.
For me that choice is simple enough. Anything that I think I'll only play once or twice will get bought on a cart. Anything that I think will get played a lot or often will get bought digitally.
Right off the bat that means Uncharted = Cart and Wipeout = Digital. I've not made up my mind yet on other games however hopefully demos will be available for many to help me decide.
So this is the internet I've heard so much about.
I'm definitely doing all single player games as physical buys and a few multiplayer focused ones as digital.
graywolf323
Member
welcome to the suck