Bojji
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It was like ~5, 10% lower than stock. But stock was able to consume close to 400W...
I had to do this undervolt because my PSU was never designed for a monster GPU like this, I was always targeting xx70 line.
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The PS5 Pro Is Not Pro Enough
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It was like ~5, 10% lower than stock. But stock was able to consume close to 400W...
I had to do this undervolt because my PSU was never designed for a monster GPU like this, I was always targeting xx70 line.
Vick
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You're just jumping from place to place when presented with the info that it was around $850 average retail. You said that the price was made up because it was long discontinued. So I showed you 2022 prices too. I said:
You replied:
The 2022 prices were not for a discontinued card, they were the retail price and they were showing for $999 and $850 at retail as supposed bargains even. You think an October 2022 4000 Series launch drove up retail prices for a 3000 series card in early 2022 or down? They were even higher in 2021.
Nobody said it was impossible. Just that it was a shit paper launch to make the price look good and that the true average retail for 3080 went for $850 or more. It's not a made up price.
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Bojji
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Why you were arguing about discontinued card being 800$ in 2024 in the first place?
I know that 3080 prices were inflated in 2021 and 2022, thanks to miners. But by 2024 this GPU was treated like a dinosaur (and mostly available only on used market) when you had new 4070Ti Super for that price and regular 599$ 4070 Super was already faster than 3080 (even 550$ 4070 was on par but with more vram).
Because somebody tried to make this dumb comparison:
"The ps5 pro released at the same price 4 years later using TSMC 5nm, a much better node and it still can't beat a pc gpu from 2020."
Using some phony price that wasn't even the actual MSRP even with that 2020 lower inflation price tag. I just said:
Then you got involved and started making excuses as to why $850 was not the real retail price in 2024. If you want to move the goalposts more and go to other cards be my guest but that's not what we were discussing. We were discussing the 3080 because he tried to make it seem like they couldn't beat something 4 years older on a lower node.
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Gusy
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That's some pretty fucked up logic you are applying here with those comparisons.. for an innumerable amount of reasons.
Surely hear from an Nvidia hardcore guy he has hard time to notice difference between the PRO and the classic FSR/TSR/TAAU on base ps5, it's definitely...something. Especially in performance mode the difference is drammatic. Now if for you the expense is not worth it, nothing to say. But the rest of what you says is extremely close to....trolling.
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FalconPunch
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Why? The 5090 laptop performs around a 5070 to 5070ti desktop card. That's not high bar for a supposed next gen console to beat.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I had a PC already at the time, so it didn't feel like an instant win, but I imagine for someone who didn't or had a crappy PC, getting the Pro for $700, only to see it spike up to $900 and PC parts prices skyrocket, had to feel like a steal.
Looking at it, a Pro-level device for $700 today is a fucking bargain.
MazingerDUDE
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So, it seems that the real problem is that the base PS5 is not base enough.
These are the kinds of problems we never saw in previous generation as PS4 delivered solid results up until PS5's release.
So you just got something extra on what's already good on PS4 with PS4 PRO,
which was not really needed considering how people were still using 1080P TVs at the time.
But in this time and age, PS5 PRO is more like a basic human right for acceptable gaming experience lol.
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FalconPunch
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Wrong again..... Based on what we've seen in DF's video, the pro performs worse than a 9060xt and even the rtx 5060 ti/rtx 5060 when it doesn't run into ram bottlenecks.
So, it seems that the real problem is that the base PS5 is not base enough.
These were the kind of problems we never saw in previous generation as PS4 delivered solid results up until PS5's release.
So you just got something extra on what's already good on PS4 with PS4 PRO,
which was not really needed considering how people were still using 1080P TVs at the time.
But in this time and age, PS5 PRO is more like a basic human rights for acceptable gaming experience lol.
Ideally, if you use DLSS performance at 4k, you'll get better performance on a 5060/5060ti than the pro. The pro has an internal resolution below 1080p and upscales to 4k.
Despite that, it still drops frames. Argue about the base all you want but, $899 and it can't even beat a 9060xt/5060..... That's a bad look.
If you had an old pc lying around with ddr4 ram, you could build a whole new pc for $899 that beats the pro easily while repurposing your ram/ssd. The 5060 can be had for $339 and the 16gb 9060xt for $459.
If not for the memory crysis, you'd be able to buy everything brand new and still beat the pro.
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MazingerDUDE
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FalconPunch
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My bad dude, I quoted the wrong person and I'm in the wrong threadWhat's PC GPUs got anything to do with PS5 vs PS5 PRO?
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mckmas8808
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
But that's why the Pro's price has gone up. You can't blame it for being overpriced at $900 but then say PCs would be cheaper if not for the memory crisis. If it weren't for the shortages and parts prices skyrocketing, the Pro would still be sitting at $700.
Bojji
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In general, people that bought consoles and PC parts in 2024/early 2025 are the real winners here.
MisterXDTV
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Better than quality mode on base at double the framerate
Is it Pro enough?
Is it Pro enough?
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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I don't think it largely gives quality modes at 60 . .some games but not even the majority of them
Feel Like I'm On 42
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That is great ...problem is not nearly enough developers have put in this kind of effort. For every game like this on Pro there are two that I still have to play at 30/40 fps if I want ray tracing or Quality mode
Kerotan
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*007 theme starts playing".
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Very unlikely.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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Imagine if this feature actually worked really well ...man, it would be a huge deal for me ...I wish Sony would put more effort into actually getting good results out of it because right now it does exactly what you demonstrated. It's not great.I would like to talk a bit about that "PS4 enchanced image quality" in Pro menu.
Zoom in:
Notice oversharpening on UI, jaggies are still there under the arc. "Sharper jaggies" is exactly how it looks like.
FalconPunch
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As dense as ever Mr Blacktron. I'll do you the favor of spelling it out since it's too difficult for you to piece it together.
A 5090 laptop equivalent is a 5070/ti pc. Of course, we all know there's a price to pay for portability so the price of a 5090 laptop is irrelevant as the ps6 is a home console not a laptop.
Even in the midst of a memory crisis, you can put together a 5070 pc for ~$1350 USD.
If Sony cannot beat that configuration with a rumored $899 USD ps6 with the cost efficiencies that come about from cutting out all the middlemen, volume purchases and custom design of psu/heatsink/mobo/case, then they shouldn't even bother.
As it stands today, there's nothing on a technical level being offered by a potential ps6 that we cannot already experience today on PC. In terms of feature set, it took Sony 6 years to catch up with the RTX 2000 series with the ps5 pro.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Stop playing. We all know for a fact the PS6 will out do a $1300 PC from today.
BlackTron
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The 5090 laptop uses the same die as the 5070ti/5080/Super, which consumes 400 watts to meet its full potential. The laptop version, of course (mobile 5090) is less performant because it's given less wattage to avoid thermal problems. A PS5 uses about the same 200 watts as my 3070 laptop...for the entire system. Consoles are aiming to be small, efficient units somewhere between portables and desktops, not 600+ watt PCs. Thus why the PS5 hardware is one board cut in a funny shape like a laptop board.
FalconPunch
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The laptop 5090 uses a max of 175 watts depending on the version and uses the same die as the 5080.
The ps5 pro uses 240 watts. That can fit the laptop 5090 and a mobile zen cpu in the budget. Keep in mind that the ps6 will be using tsmc 3nm unlike the 5000 series which uses tsmc 5nm. There will be power and performance improvements from the die shrink.
Well the ps5 pro fails to outdo the 9060xt which is an entry level gpu so who knows.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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My 4090 I bought in 2022 for $1600 was the best gaming investment I've ever made but the second best investment I made was my PS5 Pro that I got at launch for $700 ($350 after trade in of my launch PS5). Watching the prices of both of them skyrocket knowing how little I paid for them compared to their price now is just bliss. Usually, being an early adopter sucks but in the case of these two I won the lottery.
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BlackTron
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Yes shrinking the die gives the same performance for less power, or better performance for the same power. It also costs a lot more. Ask Nintendo why they went 8nm. It's old and easy to make.
dgrdsv
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Surely you being a "Sony hardcore guy" do see the difference between RT and PT on PC and go "nah, that's nothing" but somehow the factually minimal difference between the base and Pro in the vast majority of games is "drammatic"? Now, who's trolling here?
As I've said, the number of titles where the difference is actually noticeable isn't big, and all of them are implementing some shit solution for AA/upres on the base unit, which is why there is a noticeable difference to PSSR (and old or new doesn't matter in the slightest here).
RT differences are basically non-existent, the rest is basically the same, the premise of a "quality mode in 60 fps" is essentially a lie if we look at the wide selection of games but even when it kinda holds you're looking at a quality preset bump which you would have issues even finding difference in without zooming and doing stop screenshots.
Now whether this costs +40% to you is your own decision. To me this is useless.
And when I ever said the difference between PT on pc and raytracing is basically nothing? What kinda of perfomance boost we should expected with a just 40% of more gpu in a console heavily designed for achieve better IQ via AI? Because to me it's quite transformative in performance mode and sometimes even exceed the power gap expected. Also what you say about the raytracing it's not even that accurate , many times the Pro offers more expensive raytracing setting or achieve it at 60 fps where on base console is not possible.
If we look how work to the other side, there were always a lot higher priced GPU heavily redesigned in the components and regularly just overpromised stuff (cough cough Nvidia) I can't see any of outraging in the ps5 pro (to me still offers a respectable achievement for such hardware).
Minimal and just zooming 4x anyway
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FalconPunch
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Because they're cheap bastards. Going with 8nm was a completely illogical decision for a device you expect to last 8 years. We're not even 1 year into it's lifecycle and it's already tapped out on power.
BlackTron
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What you have just said is another way of saying "lower nm costs more", thereby agreeing with the point I am making.
WAste of time to make Pro models.
They came out just when the graphics leaps were still starting to get a lot less noticeable.
They only make the next gen console less impressive.
They eliminate some of the beauty of the console model which is one of simplicity. One piece of hardware to rule all for the entire generation. For consumers, retailers and developers. ...
They came out just when the graphics leaps were still starting to get a lot less noticeable.
They only make the next gen console less impressive.
They eliminate some of the beauty of the console model which is one of simplicity. One piece of hardware to rule all for the entire generation. For consumers, retailers and developers. ...