AlphaSnake
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I'm bored. I have nothing better to do, so I made this thread. Vote for your favorite, kids.
+1 for The Smiths.
+1 for The Smiths.
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The Smiths vs. The Cure (Battle for synth-pop supremacy!)
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Saint Cornelius
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The Smiths didn't use many synths, but they still get my vote
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Vennt
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The Smiths... ..synth-pop????
Clean your ears out boy!
Clean your ears out boy!
AlphaSnake
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Freeburn said:
They teeter the category.
AlphaSnake
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The Smiths are going for the sweep! This thread's blowing up quick. WOO!
I'll step up, I suppose.
I was never able to get into the Smiths. Not to say that I'm a huge fan of the Cure, but I've not yet heard anything by the Smiths that I like*
*disclaimer: I've not really made an active effort to try. The most I've heard is Morrissey's new album, which I do love. So my choice could simply be due to having heard a handful of bad songs and being lazy.
I was never able to get into the Smiths. Not to say that I'm a huge fan of the Cure, but I've not yet heard anything by the Smiths that I like*
*disclaimer: I've not really made an active effort to try. The most I've heard is Morrissey's new album, which I do love. So my choice could simply be due to having heard a handful of bad songs and being lazy.
AlphaSnake
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Ryck said:
Alright, fine. Can we settle on new-wave? (BTW: I was going to argue "How Soon Is Now", but forget it
)
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Vennt
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Turn up tomorrow for Alphasnakes next round:
Battle of The Norwegian Death Metal Bands, featuring:
Icelands "The Sugarcubes" versus Belgiums "Nitzer Ebb"
Battle of The Norwegian Death Metal Bands, featuring:
Icelands "The Sugarcubes" versus Belgiums "Nitzer Ebb"
AlphaSnake
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tt_deeb said:
Negative. No sexual stimulation of ANY kind.
Edit: Hahaha @ Freeburn.
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Vennt
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AlphaSnake said:Alright, fine. Can we settle on new-wave? (BTW: I was going to argue "How Soon Is Now", but forget it
Good call, that sound was made by Johnny Marr bashing his guitar strings with a dinner knife
(True, BTW)
Idle Will Kill
Banned
These are two bands I barely know, but I hear so much about them that I want to buy some of their material. So...
What is THE best Smiths and Cure album to buy?
What is THE best Smiths and Cure album to buy?
AlphaSnake
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Idle Will Kill said:
The Cure: Disintegration
The Smiths: Queen Is Dead
Freeburn said:Turn up tomorrow for Alphasnakes next round:
Battle of The Norwegian Death Metal Bands, featuring:
Icelands "The Sugarcubes" versus Belgiums "Nitzer Ebb"
OMG! Teh Sugarcubes rock. Bjork can growl like animal. \m/ I was in the pit and my finger got busted and now its crooked. /m/
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Vennt
Unconfirmed Member
The Queen is Dead, or Hatful of Hollow, for The Smiths
And yes, definitely Disintegration for The Cure.
And yes, definitely Disintegration for The Cure.
Idle Will Kill
Banned
What album is "Just Like Heaven" on?
A good Smiths album???
depends on your mood
Sad: hatful of hollow
Angry: Strangeways here we come
Happy: Meat is Murder
Suicidal: The queen is dead
In different: Self titled
Oh and how soon is now is guitar with delay and john porter (producer) did the slide (also guitar)
IMO: although not my personmal fav I do regard The queen is dead to be their best work
depends on your mood
Sad: hatful of hollow
Angry: Strangeways here we come
Happy: Meat is Murder
Suicidal: The queen is dead
In different: Self titled
Oh and how soon is now is guitar with delay and john porter (producer) did the slide (also guitar)
IMO: although not my personmal fav I do regard The queen is dead to be their best work
AlphaSnake
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Idle Will Kill said:
Kiss Me, Kiss Me.
The Smiths aren't new wave. They sort of signalled the death knell of new wave. New wave wasn't allowed to be as outrageously vocally pretentious as The Smiths.
The Cure I've always considered more post-punk, because their material recorded during the new wave years (circa 78 to 82) isn't going for that typically shiny and dancey new wave sound.
I know it's a mostly incorrect viewpoint but I've always used the rule of thumb: If it's British and from the late 70s, early 80s, it's probably post-punk. If it's from the US in the same time period, it's probably new wave. There's a ton of exceptions (Elvis Costello was new wave. Television was post-punk, etc. . .), but it works for me.
The Cure I've always considered more post-punk, because their material recorded during the new wave years (circa 78 to 82) isn't going for that typically shiny and dancey new wave sound.
I know it's a mostly incorrect viewpoint but I've always used the rule of thumb: If it's British and from the late 70s, early 80s, it's probably post-punk. If it's from the US in the same time period, it's probably new wave. There's a ton of exceptions (Elvis Costello was new wave. Television was post-punk, etc. . .), but it works for me.
Idle Will Kill
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What do you guys think of the new Cure album? I hear a lot of people panning it.
cubicle47b
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Uh, synth-pop supremacy? That would be Depeche Mode.
The Cure kicks ass, though. Much better than The Smiths.
The Cure kicks ass, though. Much better than The Smiths.
The only things these two have in common is that
1)They both write songs about doom and gloom
2)They were both immensly popular in the 80s
3)They're both two of my favorite bands of all time
So Alpha...I couldn't possibly answer this question. Asking me a question like this is like asking which do I like better....getting pussy or getting my dick sucked.
1)They both write songs about doom and gloom
2)They were both immensly popular in the 80s
3)They're both two of my favorite bands of all time
So Alpha...I couldn't possibly answer this question. Asking me a question like this is like asking which do I like better....getting pussy or getting my dick sucked.
Television is definitely post-punk. Would you call them punk rock? They were just one of the trailblazing, first post-punk bands, like JD. And don't sell short Adventure. It's a pretty awesome record once you let yourself realize that nothing will ever be as good as Marquee Moon.
EDIT: Alright, the Television ALBUMS are definitely post-punk. As a live band, they may have been totally punk, since it's been brought to my attention that they were around long before they recorded.
EDIT: Alright, the Television ALBUMS are definitely post-punk. As a live band, they may have been totally punk, since it's been brought to my attention that they were around long before they recorded.
i've tried to like adventure many, many times and can't. there are some well-crafted songs on there, but it's just such a depressing retreat from marquee moon's ambition and grandeur. and then there are several songs that fall totally flat as well.
i have a hard time calling television post punk simply because, well, the chronology doesn't work. that's what "post" implies, chronology. they're one of the quintessential new york punk bands, but you're right, their music has never been meaningfully punk at all. i guess i could call them "spiritually post punk," but the language center of my brain rebels. "new wave" is a terribly vague term (apologies for the bilingual pun), but i find it less problematic than "post punk." not least because you can use it to corral in a lot of "punk" bands that weren't so punk.
i have a hard time calling television post punk simply because, well, the chronology doesn't work. that's what "post" implies, chronology. they're one of the quintessential new york punk bands, but you're right, their music has never been meaningfully punk at all. i guess i could call them "spiritually post punk," but the language center of my brain rebels. "new wave" is a terribly vague term (apologies for the bilingual pun), but i find it less problematic than "post punk." not least because you can use it to corral in a lot of "punk" bands that weren't so punk.
shoplifter
Member
i shouldn't even need to state my opinion* on this matter
edit: the new Cure CD is REALLY good.
* fact
edit: the new Cure CD is REALLY good.
shoplifter
Member
isamu said:
What's new, Britney Spears thought "I Love Rock and Roll" was a Pat Benatar song.
protip: it's not a Joan Jett original either
I prefer to call Television 'art rock,' but that's about as meaningless as musical terms get. It lets me liken them to bands like Fugazi and Sonic Youth, though.
But if Television started in the early 70s, and only recorded their first album in 77, it's safe to say that they lived through the entire New York punk movement. I don't think it's much of a corruption of the term to say that post-punk could exist in 1977. Marquee Moon is a masterpiece of atmosphere, which I think is what seperates post-punk from both new wave and punk. I also can't consider Television punk because it's pretty indulgent music, from a guitar POV.
I like doing the cover art comparison between Marquee Moon and Adventure, though:
Ugly drug-addled looking people.
Ugly people with critical acclaim
Those two covers are a good indication of the VISUAL differences between punk and new wave. Heh.
But if Television started in the early 70s, and only recorded their first album in 77, it's safe to say that they lived through the entire New York punk movement. I don't think it's much of a corruption of the term to say that post-punk could exist in 1977. Marquee Moon is a masterpiece of atmosphere, which I think is what seperates post-punk from both new wave and punk. I also can't consider Television punk because it's pretty indulgent music, from a guitar POV.
I like doing the cover art comparison between Marquee Moon and Adventure, though:
Ugly drug-addled looking people.
Ugly people with critical acclaim
Those two covers are a good indication of the VISUAL differences between punk and new wave. Heh.
its odd, cause all these categories sorta confuse me. way back when i first listened to sonic youth, i thought to myself, this is what i'd call "noise rock" w/o even realizing that such a genre existed.fart said:
same goes for at the drive in, mars volta or coheed and cambria, though i suppose they are emo. frankly, i'd call them all progressive rock or progressive modern rock bands, depending on chronology.
then of course, some metalhead was telling me how dream theater and symphony x are progressive rock.
so its all very confusing.
fart said:
Sonic Youth is too all over the map to be considered just noise rock.
Fugazi is several degrees of musicianship and song construction ahead of any other hardcore/post-hardocre band. The Argument amazes me to this day, and it's a stretch to call that hardcore or post-hardcore. It's a pretty quiet album by Fugazi standards.
But like I said, 'art rock' is totally meaningless. I just use it to desrcibe bands that are guitar based and can't be shoehorned into any other rock sub-genres.
EDIT: All labeling is quite useless. It's just a fun past-time for music geeks to have heated conversations about. I think I might start a Lou Reed vs. Wu-Tang topic. . .
Maxwell House
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The Cure really aren't synthpop either.
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