-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
The SNES was an even bigger graphical BEAST
- Thread starter Arthas
- Start date
You DO know that Metal Slug (the original) was more like 20mb in size, right? That's not exactly a massive leap from the largest SNES games, you know, and it had the same quality animation. MS3 is so large simply due to the insane amount of unique sprites and backgrounds used in the game.
It looks much worse than any major Neo fighters, though, and some of them were much smaller. You act as if 80mb was the common NeoGeo rom size (that was one of the largest games and it was padded to 80mb as a result of encryption - de-crypted roms were much smaller).
evilromero
Member
I would call it the "quality gameplay with superior music composition beast".
Relaxed Muscle
Member
And still too far behind, small sprites compared to the Last Blade 2, barren backgrounds,animation,effects,slowdown
They are on a complete different league.
vilmer_ said:
Statement of disagreement declared. Theory questioning your intelligence posited.
Criticism of multiple functions of your game of choice declared including but not limited to: insufficient graphic capabilities, substandard user interface.
Superiority of other similar game declared. Additional insult of your intelligence issued. Dismissal of your game of choice reiterated.
McBradders
NeoGAF: my new HOME
These threads =
(please wait for it to load)
(please wait for it to load)
MisterHero
Super Member
neo-geo was a sales monster too
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
No dogging it since the graphic debate flopped. NG (More like SNK) is still a pillar for 2d. The tradition continues with KOFXII.Nocebo said:
Call us when you do a "Neo Geo is a graphical beast" and maybe there will be a legit discussion.
And? It was the best of the best, no discussion possible. Probably there has not been never a console so superior to others in the same generation. That was a real beast.
Of course, that's why everyone bought $200 game cartridges every day.
And? It was the best of the best, no discussion possible. Probably there has not been never a console so superior to others in the same generation. That was a real beast.
MisterHero
Super Member
Yeah you're going to have to forgive others' ignorance when a company decides to price its market presence out of existence and thus not conducive to creating loving memories for gamers years into the future.Acosta said:
They did fine in the Arcades though and the Arcades were in their prime in that era. That is where I loved SNK.
Of course, this debate could turn into Arcade > Consoles like PC > Consoles today. But basically Neo-Geo games were Arcade boards in cartridge form so it doesn't really make a fair argument. In terms of the console market, the SNES was the most versatile console in terms of graphical and technical capabilities out there.
SNK even made a few ports for it
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Arthas said:With the same technique but with a different chip, we saw the impressive vistas of the first 'silicon graphics' games.
Donkey kong country series:
Killer Instinct, an impressive arcade port:
WRONG! DKC 1,2, 3 and Killer Instinct used no additional chips at all, they just used prerendered sprites. You are correct about Yoshi's Island though as it used the Super FX 2 Chip.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Struct09 said:
No way.
Edit: I misread that. That's still arguable.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Actually I've always wondered, was the NeoGeo capable of the Rotation and Scaling effects that the SNES could do? I've never seen them done on the NeoGeo at all!
Also could it do mode 7 and transparencies?
Also could it do mode 7 and transparencies?
NeoGeo supported those effects pretty well. Just look at Samurai Showdown and League Bowling for full screen background+sprite scaling or even Metal Slug for rotation effects.
The NeoGeo was a console available in the same timeframe as the SNES. Regardless of cost, it was more powerful
and had a better library woobwoobwoob
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Nuclear Muffin said:
The scaling/rotation on the NeoGeo was far superior to the background scaling/rotation of the SNES. The NeoGeo could do mode-7 equivalent effects to the sprites themselves, and a lot faster too.
Dithering to my knowledge, was used for the transparency affect.
MisterHero
Super Member
Samurai Shodown and either Art of Fighting or Fatal Fury(I think) had scaling.Nuclear Muffin said:
But I don't recall mode-7. I have a SegaCD game that uses a mode-7-ish technique (it's not mode 7 because mode 7 is built into SNES), but seeing as the CD/32x were about trying to keep up with the SNES...
Also, both Genesis/CD and SNES got SNK games. SNES was better than Genesis but Sega CD versions were better overall.
Like I said...zoukka said:
MisterHero said:
TheJollyCorner
Member
hahah I miss the middle-school "SNES IS BETTER THAN GENESIS IN GRAPHICS" arguments in the lunch room. 
I was a SNES guy, myself. Geny-fanboys always held onto the "it's FASTER! and better SPORTS!", but I preferred the better palette of colors, better soundchip, and 1st party stuff.
Being 12 years old during that time was awesome.
I was a SNES guy, myself. Geny-fanboys always held onto the "it's FASTER! and better SPORTS!", but I preferred the better palette of colors, better soundchip, and 1st party stuff.
Being 12 years old during that time was awesome.
MisterHero
Super Member
Nobody remembers that SNK made a "console" though. Hardware-wise, it's an arcade-board in a cartridge/console body. So why should it be expected to be in a conversation about consoles of the time?Tain said:
You're right, it's a 2008 issue as well. Years from now, I sincerely hope there are more differences between PS3 and 360 that "this console had better ports of PC games" becomes a non-factor.
And yet half the 2007 GotYs were PC-ports.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
I can't think of a single NeoGeo game the SNES could do a flawless port of, even the shitty first generation ones like Ghost Pilots.
Because it fits all of the criteria (that I know of) involved in being a console. It's a dedicated game machine that plays cartridges and connects to your TV. The hardware inside being almost identical to the MVS board doesn't change that.
These games were in homes in the early 90s. It doesn't matter to me if I played Viewpoint on an AES in 1992 or if I played it years later on another platform; I can recognize that it's an awesome game that some were playing on their television set when the Genesis and SNES were duking it out.
MisterHero
Super Member
I'd bet more people would recognize them as being awesome arcade games and arcade games were cheaper to play than buying console games all the time, where's the problem with being recognized as Arcade games?Tain said:
Arcade was an awesome platform too. In that sense SNK dominated its part of the industry at the time.
Rarely were any arcade ports (even from Capcom etc.) arcade perfect. Sega CD did get closest between the Genesis and SNES though.PepsimanVsJoe said:
Death Dealer
Member
dark10x said:
I have read some neogeo games were padded as a marketing technique, but it was a massive leap as far as I'm concerned. Metal Slug may have only been 20MB, but the largest SNES games were around 2-3MB. I know with bank switching some neogeo games came in over 80-90MB.
SNES was good, definitely better than Genesis graphics, but I wouldn't call the SNES a beast. From what I've read, many of its graphics chips were stripped out to save costs. And the cpu was a dog. I should know, I had one 5 years prior inside my Apple IIGS.
Guybrush Threepwood
Banned
Aren't you the guy who wanted the person who made the "So they maxed out the hardware already" joke in the Wii Pong thread banned because "derailing threads is evil" or something?
mmhm
mmhm
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
I've been playing through DKC2 recently and it still looks really awesome. Some SNES games have aged amazingly well, and it's true that at the time it was the best in it's class. Let's be honest though, all "new" systems, with the expection of the Wii and NES, are always graphical beasts.
If you want to spread love of any console that was a beast though, I'd say the original Xbox would rank up there too.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
No 'beast' has a 3.12mhz clockspeed
Flakster99
Member
There is a distinct lack of Seiken Densetsu 3 imagery. Such a gorgeous game.