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[Pluto]

Oh god, haven’t seen that in over 14 years, please nobody post that or lemon party

You're lucky, I saw a wall of goatse a few minutes before I posted.

If someone doesn't want to participate anymore why not just stop posting? Calling people names and posting goatse etc. to get banned is not some grand gesture that makes the person look good.

 

[Buffalo]

Then go do that?

What are you doing here not talking about games?

it's almost as if this controversy was an important event and worth talking about... really makes me think!

 

[Hoya Destroyer]

The political threads in OT werent very good, but I will miss the random funny stuff and Game of Thrones etc topics.
Gaming is much more important though and enough to justify me coming here.

 

[Mahadev]

And if resistEra (or GAF) continues with the same hardline in not tolerating little hateful toads like you who only felt enbolded to speak their minds among a caos that fits your shitty views, I will be there day one.

Throwing the SJW in a pejorative way at me just confirms the kind of toad you really are, you are not fooling anyone. Now go back to your gamer-gate virgin cave, toad.

I like how you try to play the victim about the "SJW pejorative" while at the same time calling the poster all kinds of names and advertising the shitty forum you want to migrate to. I'm starting to think that Evilore allows these posts because he wants you to leave. Maybe he understands that people like you made neogaf so fucking toxic the last few years.

 

[Undead Unicorn]

Forums are nothing more than a microcosm of the larger political weather.

In America, being socially conscious of others is basically a "leftist" perspective, that's how far right the country is, and even further right conservative ideology, and given the main demographics of GAF are American it's not shocking to see the same ideology on being socially conscious of others being rejected here. After all it's being rejected in America currently under the delusional fear that the "others" are taking and ruining everything that made this country "great".

Quick question, did you support Clinton over Sanders? Or think Clinton would be a good president and not just a lesser Trump?

 

[Crom]

Echochamber. Insufferable during the elections, dogpiling and harrasment by posters and some mods as well - unlawful bannings

The owner adressed it in a thread.

Oh and Amirox, former mod, the pedo defender turned pedo.

Nice name.

I got piled on and banned for a month even though I was respectful when others were cussing me out. What for? For posting things like everyone is equal and lets look past the race garbage. I said skin color should be irrelevant and to quit obsessing over it.

Couldnt believe what this forum had become even though it was still the best for gaming news.

Glad the old mods are gone.

 

[dolabla]

I'm going to keep this simple: If anyone thinks this forum was "far-left," you should probably step back and evaluate your political views.

No self awareness? There's reason this place became a punchline on most other gaming forums.

 

[takriel]

Honestly.
I've never called someone the term "SJW" in my life, and I've generally been progressive on social issues even from when I was too young to really know what they were.
But after years online of condemning it's usage and avoiding terms generally associated with, in the past two weeks of Gaf usage I was finally tempted to use "SJW" (even though it makes me cringe still) and say people were "virtue signaling", amongst other things out of frustration.
I'm wondering what this says about my beliefs/politics, and what it says about myself, could you tell me, and list out how you could make these damming judgements of people from such a small sample of themselves?

It probably means that your views are evolving, and not in a direction that I can support.

 

[NolbertoS]

I honestly joined GAF for the games, not for OT, politics, 2nd amendment debates, minority OT, etc. I already experienced so much shit and cesspool on the IGN forums. GAF is cakewalk compared to the Gamespot and IGN forums. Whatever Evillore is upbto, let him deal with it, at this point, I’m sure this will be a legal battle of he said/she said, but I honestly don’t care as I just wanna talk games. If Neogaf ends up being sold someday, still be here talking games.

 

[Undead Unicorn]

Most of the internet thinks good policy is what is funniest...

Not really.

 

[Wind's Howling]

It is quite tough to actually form an opinion on the matter.

The subject of the matter is that people read what they want to read and form an opinion by the stance they already had about GAF in general and Evilore in particular.

I have withhold my opinion. I can not say whether the news is false or true, and I will gladly stay away from that news altogether for the nearby future.

That is not to forget that GAF had become quite an angry mob with pitchforks that do not like when someone else has a different opinion on a certain subject. That is one thing that needs to chance and will probably take some time.

I have invested way too much time on GAF for me to abandon it.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

it's almost as if this controversy was an important event and worth talking about... really makes me think!

Most of your posts are dealing with either this controversy or politics so I don't really see where your "Games first" motto is coming from.

 

[retroman]

I've been visiting this site daily for quite a few years now. Browsing Gaming and Off-topic was always one of the first things I'd do when I got out of bed, and sometimes I would be so captivated by threads I'd forget the time and be late for work.

While I haven't exactly been the most active member (mainly just posting trivia about retro games once in a while), I enjoyed being a part of GAF. And while there were things that rubbed me the wrong way (for example: idolizing mods, "dissenters" being dog piled and unprofessional rants by Tyler and some mods), those didn't stop me from returning to this site. I thought the good outweighed the bad.

Sadly, I'm afraid this isn't the case anymore. I observed how the events unfolded this past week and the staggering ham-fistedness with how things were handled here makes me doubt the future of this place. Stifling discussions by deleting threads and going on banning sprees hasn't exactly inspired confidence that leadership will be fair and strong around here, doubly so when apparently the way forward is by being even less transparent.

I wish you all the best.

 

[Undead Unicorn]

It probably means that your views are evolving, and not in a direction that I can support.

Are you his mom because I don't think he's going to care.

 

[Dead]

It's far left (was?)to an extreme extent.

Maybe you should evaluate?

No


Incredibly biased towards a particular us-centric centrist-left wing ideology yes

Echo chamber complaints aren't only from right wing folks.

 

[Bounceounce]

It probably means that your views are evolving, and not in a direction that I can support.

All the while I grow more left by the day.
This response is a perfect example of the poison on this site and isn't remotely conducive with reality.

 

[ShiftyCow]

man how'd I miss this thread

what's a man gotta do to get banned around here?

 

[Lego Boss]

I'm going to keep this simple: If anyone thinks this forum was "far-left," you should probably step back and evaluate your political views.

Agreed up to the point where we can talk about contemporary far left. I can't see that it equates with Marxist-Lenism or Stalisnm, but those regimes were so controlled as to be fascistic/bordering on right wing (even the Nazis were a 'National Socialist' party).

In contemporary terms OT was extremely left-wing. I am also, but offering ANY kind of different thought was just completely unpalatable to many on here. If it felt more left wing than it was, it's because the enforcement was very similar to that seen in political parties: tow the line or leave. Indiscriminate banning fed a feeling of discontent and yes, it was run as a left-wing autocracy.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. There was no recourse to mods, no appeals, no way of going back, just 'cut it out'. If that's not autocratic on a left wing agenda I don;'t know what is, and that is as left wing as it gets.

Still, glad to see the site back. The last good thing GAF did was make T10 change their policy towards VIP customers of F7. That was recent and that was a real victory. That shows the power of the gaming side.

Can we dare to say we can do the same in OT?

 

[ShironRedshift]

It is far left lol

Nah. Far left is talking about giving workers control of the means of production and the ceasing of the existence of the state. And communism didn't seem that popular here. Just see say, threads about Venezuela and how the atrocities that are being committed there are somehow proof that socialism and communism don't work, since the fact that those events are occurring in the first place is proof that workers do not have control of the means of production and thus that Venezuela can not be considered a socialist state, never mind a communist one. Didn't stop people from using it to shit all over socialism/communism.

And then there's the topic of completely open borders/completely free immigration (as the state ain't real and people should not have their state determined at birth regardless but feel free to choose where to live, without any restrictions in their way, and have complete freedom to make those kind of decisions for themselves unimpeded, especially as immigrants pay for themselves and the whole idea of immigration laws, particularly in the United States, has it's roots in racist garbage like the Chinese Exclusion Act and nothing of the sort existed until then)--that never got too much traction here on GAF. Plenty of people supported reforming immigration law, but completely getting rid of borders and having people be able to immigrate wherever they want, as much as they want? Something like that was way too much for most of GAF.

GAF doesn't come anywhere close to "far left." Far left is definitely a thing that exists, yes. But GAF didn't come anywhere close to being that. At all. Unless you seriously think that most of the OT were communists, which alas, I'm sad to say, they clearly were not. Would have been great if they were. That would have been something I would have been quite alright with. But that was never the case. They were nowhere close to "far left." That's a thing, but GAF was definitely never it.

 

[FunkyDealer]

NeoGAF has been an important website for my daily browsing-ritual. It's been a fantastic place to read gaming news and reactions, as well as both silly and serious off-topics.

But I can no longer continue to use it in good spirit. My trust and respect for the leadership and the site itself has evaporated. Both from the allegations, and especially from the way the aftermath has been handled.

It sucks to see this site go, but it's been tainted in a way only a fresh start can repair.

Please permaban my account.
See you space cowboys.

 

[Felensis]

Yeah if politics are out, and if guys like these are the ones staying, count me out as well.

You don't have to be a detective to see a pattern with EL, "many small brooks make a strong river". The constant denials, the lies surrounding the situation with Amirox, the lack of transparency, and now the sexual allegations.

He might not have raped anyone per se, but he sure as hell doesn't come off as a valuable owner, a trustworthy or nice guy. It all adds up, and the woman has all the right in the world to feel as bad as she does.

Consider this my request to be banned.

I'll see you in the Discord.

As I said: go on, if my opinion makes you leaving this place at least I won't miss you here for sure. I didn't say I adore Tyler's actions of the past whether it be the infamous "ass grab" and especially not the whole controversy about Amir0x. I won't support any online witch hunting nor accusations of a random girl on the internet whose behavior is highly questionable in itself. On the other side I didn't know anything about this stuff up until lately and was just enjoying GAF, like most of us.

I just would like to continue enjoying (gaming) GAF. NeoGAF isn't Evilore in my personal view. NeoGAF is it's community and I love this community. I don't care if Evilore steps down (and he probably might have to after this huge shitshow). I just don't want that NeoGAF disappears. IMO for now it all depends on how NeoGAF will turn out in the near future. If it goes down the drain I will leave for sure.

 

[Jeff Freecss]

Some sexual harassment accusation happen to the founder of the forum. So people think we should ban political topics on this site.

I honestly don't understand the logic behind this.

Are we saying sexual harassment issues are political? Is this how "right" this forum has become?

 

[shoelacer]

lol gaf was centerist left at best. you pussbabbies should rub elbows with some anarcho-commies if you wanna see who's really bout it bout it.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Not really.

Yes really.

Feels like American politics these days is more about what the other side will hate more than what is actually good for the people.

If any of you actually believe your policy makers are looking out for you, you aren't paying attention. Doesn't matter, right or left. The young right are just in it for lulz, the young left are just in it for virtue signalling

 

[takriel]

Are you his mom because I don't think he's going to care.

They asked me. If you're not going to contribute anything of substance, please stay out of this discussion.

All the while I grow more left by the day.
This response is a perfect example of the poison on this site and isn't remotely conducive with reality.

Then I applaud you. Why use the clearly mocking SJW word though, that's mostly used by right-leaning people?

 

[Dragonbinder]

I can't believe you deleted off-topic... All the animation talk, movies, sports, everything it's all gone...

Sounds like it's temporary. I'm sure it's been archived...

I hope.

 

[Mahadev]

No


Incredibly biased towards a particular us-centric centrist-left wing ideology yes

And even that is about social policies. Economically they're rightwingers through and through given that they supported the neoliberal Hillary Clinton even against Sanders who btw isn't a socialist (another misconception), he's just a social democrat.

 

[TheTylerRob]

lol gaf was centerist left at best. you pussbabbies should rub elbows with some anarcho-commies if you wanna see who's really bout it bout it.

This was always the worst fucking gaf meme. Yeah dude communist Russia was way more left guys am I right????

 

[Buffalo]

They asked me. If you're not going to contribute anything of substance, please stay out of this discussion.



Then I applaud you. Why use the clearly mocking SJW word though, that's mostly used by right-leaning people?

what reason does he have to not use it?

 

[Kamaji]

Doublepost

 

[snausagesUK]

GAF isn't 'far left' but it did often feel that there was not a lot of room for different POVs.

Brexit and Trump threads always seemed to have the same four or five posts dumping on working class for voting against their own interest, that kind of thing. I always found that really sad even though I didn't vote Brexit.

None of that has anything to do with the Admins problems though. Disingenuous to suggest it does

 

[Undead Unicorn]

lol gaf was centerist left at best. you pussbabbies should rub elbows with some anarcho-commies if you wanna see who's really bout it bout it.

Just because the people don't have the political herewithall to understand the difference between liberal scolding and actual far left politics, let alone the language skills to articulate it, doesn't mean their wrong.

OT was Dracula's Castle and if you understand what that means you understand what I'm saying

 

[Lego Boss]

Some sexual harassment accusation happen to the founder of the forum. So people think we should ban political topics on this site.

I honestly don't understand the logic behind this.

Are we saying sexual harassment issues are political? Is this how "right" this forum has become?

When you say 'right', do you mean correct

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Glad to see GAF back. Might turn into a shit show like the rest of the internet without the original mods but I'm hoping it won't.

It already was turning into one with the previous team of mods, as much as I like many of them. EviLore politicised this forum of his own accord, and the echo chamber that OT became extenuated that. For about a year near, maybe more, gaming side had started to become a place of shitposting, console warrior nonsense and environment that I honestly believe was hostile towards a lot of developers and publishers. GAF isn't as well loved by the industry as it thinks it is, even before this happened.

 

[Brian Griffin]

Categorically false.

I walked into every abortion thread relevant to my comments and declared my views on the subject (pro-life) and talked about my views on the topic. Never had anybody requesting my ban or a mod threatening me. Being pro-life on a "leftist" board like GAF should have resulted in a ban, but it never happened and never would.

The mods shockingly did not approve of hot takes, alt-right nonsense, gamergate, misogyny, bigotry, anti-lgbt,
racism, etc.

Support what you want as long as you don't venture into shitposting or have ideals that match you on mental par with a caveman and you would be fine.

I will back this up as one of the many people who argued passionately and respectfully against this guy in various abortion threads over the years. Dissenting views have always been tolerated from what I've experienced in my 10 years here, you just had to not be a total dick about it and willing to engage in actual discussion if you wanted to have your opinion heard.

I never went on gaming side much but have been on GAF OT pretty regularly for nearly a decade. Passionate and respectful discussion paired with zero tolerance for assholes and bigots is what defined GAF OT for me. It's what I loved about it and it seemed like a rare, if not unique, place of discussion on the Internet. I guess I'll check out gaming side and somberly wait to see what comes next.

 

[takriel]

what reason does he have to not use it?

Oh I don't know, how about not wanting to be associated with right-wing politics perhaps?

 

[Nightbird]

Just no.

 

[Karakato_001]

I would like to be banned too, thank you.

 

[Buffalo]

Oh I don't know, how about not wanting to be associated with right-wing politics perhaps?

why should he care what people associate him with if it's not true?

 

[Nilaul]

To ensure that moderation is fairer I propose:

That the reason why someone is banned and for how long should be viewable either underneath the Name tag or in the profile

 

[shoelacer]

This was always the worst fucking gaf meme. Yeah dude communist Russia was way more left guys am I right????

no you fucking ninny, a top 5 referrer to Hillarys site doesn't exactly scream 'far left' by any stretch of the imagination, not even counting the grip of jerkoffs that would hysterically shout down shit like medicade for all among other things. meme deez nuts

 

[Querilous]

ATTN: Plz ban me ya asshole

 

[harmonize]

No self awareness? There's reason this place became a punchline on most other gaming forums.

and there's a reason gaming is a punchline in most non-gamer discussions, because the hobby is filled to the brim with a bunch of egotistical, self-entitled manbabies that detests criticism of any type. and due to how markets work it shines through in video games

 

[Mahadev]

I will back this up as one of the many people who argued passionately and respectfully against this guy in various abortion threads over the years. Dissenting views have always been tolerated, you just had to not be a total dick about it and willing to engage in actual discussion if you wanted to have your opinion heard.

I never went on gaming side much but have been on GAF OT pretty regularly for nearly a decade. Passionate and respectful discussion paired with zero tolerance for assholes and bigots is what defined GAF OT for me. It's what I loved about it and it seemed like a rare, if not unique, place of discussion on the Internet. I guess I'll check out gaming side and somberly wait to see what comes next.

No, no they haven't. I still have the PMs that were publicized of a certain mod that clearly states that he looks for reasons to ban certain posters that don't agree with his dogmatic beliefs.

 

[Undead Unicorn]

They asked me. If you're not going to contribute anything of substance, please stay out of this discussion.



Then I applaud you. Why use the clearly mocking SJW word though, that's mostly used by right-leaning people?

Answer to both of these: Because who the hell understands what Exiting Dracula's Castle means?

 

[takriel]

why should he care what people associate him with if it's not true?

We're highly social animals. It matters what other people think of us.

 

[Dead]

And even that is about social policies. Economically they're rightwingers through and through given that they supported the neoliberal Hillary Clinton even against Sanders who btw isn't a socialist (another misconception), he's just a social democrat.

Pretty much.

 

[somecrazymember]

Pls ban me. I dont believe you. Thanks

 

[Angelus Errare]

Quick question, did you support Clinton over Sanders? Or think Clinton would be a good president and not just a lesser Trump?

Clinton was a decent Presidential candidate despite her flaws, as was Bernie. Neither were perfect and neither were going to be the saviors of the American people. Both of them were vastly preferred to Trump and that's how I saw it. Both of them had issues that I had to overlook, but I'm black that's basically what I have to do with every candidate. I expected both of their platforms to evolve and continue to shift as they presided, contouring to the changing dynamics of America (hopefully in favor of progressiveness). I expected both of them to fail to deliver most of their promises only being able to keep the more pragmatic ones after watering them down to make GOP happy. Obviously that would have been due to who controls what and how many seats each platform had.

Bernie lost the primary so I voted for Hillary in the general. I'm a pragmatic voter because I'm black and this country has conditioned my people to be so (I mean we do have a political party that in 2017 still relies heavily on the southern strategy and the demonization and blaming of PoC/LGBT/Women. Which lets me once again reiterate, forums are nothing more than a microcosm of the larger political weather).

Which one would I want being President right now? I don't care, mostly because the policies that made them cults of personality would never get passed in any way. But for me...better them than Trump.

 

[Lucius86]

I can't post or view this site in good conscience. There are too many questions unanswered, and unfortunately the allegations that came out last weekend doesn't appear to be the owner's only mistake regarding sexual conduct. No smoke without fire...

Please perma-ban me - I don't want to be associated with this site anymore. Thanks.