I repeat that i dont know the full story so maybe i lack some more details.
But some people are saying they were irl friends without evidence?
He obtained his real name when he did a donation to the hospital bills of amirox's mother years ago?
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But some people are saying they were irl friends without evidence?
He obtained his real name when he did a donation to the hospital bills of amirox's mother years ago?
TarpitCarnivore
Member
That doesnt dimisnih the assault in anyway though. It still happened!
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Getting into a relationship after a hurtful incident is a different thing than staying in one. Emotional dependency is much lower without a prior relationship and considering Evilore is not exactly a film producer, her economical dependency on him was probably negligible as well. It does not excuse what Evilore supposedly did, but it certainly is not the same thing as continuing an abusive relationship.
Subpar Scrub
Banned
I imagine it's to stop the mod inboxes from flooding.
Lets be honest here, nothing he could have said would have satiated you thirst for outrage or his perceived guilt in your mind. If he done exactly as you have stated you would have crucified him for that or something else.
And the people who complain he didn't respond well enough or fast enough, nobody is prepared to deal with these kinds of overblown shit storms so stop it.
Maybe no one cared about the game because no one cared?
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
GAF was politicised though, that much is true. I bring this up again, but EviLore went on Twitter and said that GAF supports the Paris agreement. Not him, GAF. Now, I'm a supporter of the agreement and a staunch liberal at that, but when on earth did EviLore, or any admin of GAF for that matter, become a mouthpiece for my opinions?
This is a gaming forum, that supposedly prides itself on not being a hivemind and welcoming of open discourse. This is far and away from what GAF has become over the past couple of years. Off-topic especially had become especially toxic, with little room for proper discourse and varying opinions, and that nonsense leaked into gaming side, where too often there would be threads regarding social issues in the industry that ended up being echo chambers of us vs. them. That is not what this forum is about.
Bigotry and hate do not belong on this forum, but this goes for those of us on the left and those on the right end of the spectrum. EviLore and the mods should have done a far better job of keeping this in check than they did, and instead all GAF became was an insular mob who rallied to slander and bully everyone and everything that it collectively felt did not match up with the forum's consensus opinion.
I hope this changes going forward.
PhantomThief
Banned
-Mutsukki-
Member
This is true but then again it's not only about that, you can't expect people to want to talk about a game and then get shit on just because the game they like happen to have JonTron
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Yup
The core identity of what the site become, which is a rejection of the alt right that has plagued gaming has been thrown out for expediency.
Can't wait for the influx of people who were long since dejected and removed for their frankly horrid views pour back in under the guise of a "new" gaming focused culture.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
We only know who one of the mods is, so I don't see how they'd get flooded.
It's really to slow the growth of spin-off sites.
There was a thread with a well detailed article circling around(that was endorsed by besada ((take that as you will)) about being the closest to the truth) that detailed everything between Evillore, the Woman who made the FB post and the history leading up to the current events that have happened. Don't know where it is at the moment though.
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Steve.1981
Unconfirmed Member
EviLore, at the very least your attitude absolutely stinks. I read the Waypoint article and your side of the story can be summed up as this,
"Bitch is crazy. And she wanted it anyway. Woe is me."
That fucking stinks.
I joined your forum because I thought it was pretty much the one place on the web where toxic shit like that wasn't accepted as the norm.
I'm done with this place now. I'm just one random guy, who was only a member here for a couple of years, but I want to get my opinion out there for the record. I've read some dodgy stuff in the past couple of days. The Amirox situation was handled in an appalling fashion, for example. Gaf is not what I thought it was.
Ban me, delete my account, whatever. I'm having nothing more to do with your site.
"Bitch is crazy. And she wanted it anyway. Woe is me."
That fucking stinks.
I joined your forum because I thought it was pretty much the one place on the web where toxic shit like that wasn't accepted as the norm.
I'm done with this place now. I'm just one random guy, who was only a member here for a couple of years, but I want to get my opinion out there for the record. I've read some dodgy stuff in the past couple of days. The Amirox situation was handled in an appalling fashion, for example. Gaf is not what I thought it was.
Ban me, delete my account, whatever. I'm having nothing more to do with your site.
You put this better than I ever could have
Officerrob
Banned
What mod inboxes, who's a mod?
Uiki
Member
Yeah, that's clearly the issue.
psychowave
Member
Lol, did that "NeoGAF future" thread just get completely nuked?
Spaced Harrier
Member
Look at the state of the place. I don't see it back.
Bananajama
Banned
Can - but its a load of admin
Might aswell just comply with the request to delete the data
And if no response you can always report
CaseyTappy
Member
She didn't stay in a relation with her abuser, looks like she jumped in a fresh one which to me makes no sense .
I guess I'm saying that I don't think it's assault.
Him leaving immediately when asked says a lot too....
There's two ways this went down, either she flirted and gave mixed signals, or Evilore is crazy and just randomly got naked and walked into the shower. But if he was that crazy I don't think he'd leave when asked.
Trickster
Member
"I'm not racist, but..."
In no way is giving the select few in the position of authority (selected by the site owner under suspicion, no less) even greater power by making them completely anonymous a good thing no matter what did or didn't actually transpire.
It just feels....wrong, given gaf's history of mod power abuse. Moreso than the accusations against Neogaf's owner which I can understand reserving judgement on even if I don't particularly agree with that action.
If you're removing OT and political discussion, why do the mods need more power?
You know how this looks, don't you?
don't you?
I don't know what else to say.
It just feels....wrong, given gaf's history of mod power abuse. Moreso than the accusations against Neogaf's owner which I can understand reserving judgement on even if I don't particularly agree with that action.
If you're removing OT and political discussion, why do the mods need more power?
You know how this looks, don't you?
don't you?
I don't know what else to say.
Maedre
Banned
I did pick this up. She should have left him in the dirt when it happened. EviLore seems like a jerk. He should work on the way he treats women, people in general.
They were in a realtionship after that. They should have talked about it in private and sort it out.
Shouting doesn't make your points more valid. Sure. He deactivated the offtipic. Not the best way to handle this situation. I know another forum where this way was used to tone down the rage. Didn't work and so is here.
But a "highly suspect move" doesn't make him what you want him to be.
I will not comment on this topic anymore. There are to many emotions involved here.
Subpar Scrub
Banned
Yep. I got some people pm me though, so I'll reply to them at 1 message per 10 mins if I have to.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Pretending the current hostile political environment hasn't infiltrated gaming is turning a blind eye to gaming culture, which is an inherently part of gaming.
of course, the same people who want to complain about Jon Tron being called out are the first to bitch about a developer talking about having a person of color or a LGBT character designed around that identity.
How many times do we have to hear, "I don't care what color/sex/orientation they are but..."
It's a joke, the baby has been thrown out with the bathwater.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
It was clearly a traumatic situation to her. We all act differently to that.
It still doesnt diminish what happened
entremet
Member
One day after the biggest scandal the site has ever seen? Yeah, things are gonna be weird for a bit. But judging it long term now won't be an accurate judgment.
Hello? This is Hailun!
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-Mutsukki-
Member
I mean, honestly, people do a lot of shit druken. She probably thought it was just that, but by all means by the course of their relationship maybe she realized otherwise. There's not really any basis to discret her for that, unless we make a throughout case, which we won't because this is NeoGaf, where this should not be discussed or be passing any judgement at all
psychowave
Member
I was one of them. Would appreciate a PM too if you can!
PJV3
Member
Is it cherry picking threads to prove people don't care about gaming?
Any Questions
Member
I have read most of this thread. Am not really sure what I think. There is a lot to consider. Am keeping my powder dry for now. This situation has a long way to run till we start to see a light at the end of the tunnel yet.
I think i've read that statement(not sure if the post i read is the statement).
And i dont see the problem with it.
Mods were expecting a more agressive statement because they feared the community were aggresive towards them if not?
In my opinion that means that the community overreacts a lot and need to to take things more calmly.
Subpar Scrub
Banned
Just sent a message, but you're next on the list. 9 mins eta to message.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I don't think anyone is an EviLore cultist TBH.
I think people are addicted to the experience of GAF (I am) and they want to stick to what they know... which I understand. I just think the thing we want to cling to might be dead already.
Trust me I could wax with you in a sometime about how this drama has exposed a lot of hypocrisy and we'd have a laugh about how it all went down. I just don't think the current regime-holders are the victors in this exposure....
Gormenghast
Member
His Majesty
Banned
I'd sincerely like to ask the people who are leaving the forums why they haven't done so already a long time ago? We have known about allegations of sexual misconduct against Evilore for a long time, his post history clearly shows he has a pretentious, narcissistic and generally unlikable personality and his moderation approach left a lot to be desired.
While I might not respect the owner of these forums, the community on the gaming side was more or less excellent which is why I stayed. Which is also the reason why I am not abandoning ship (yet).
While I might not respect the owner of these forums, the community on the gaming side was more or less excellent which is why I stayed. Which is also the reason why I am not abandoning ship (yet).
I honestly don't know if I believe him or not but personally, that's not my issue right now. I have a real problem with the mob culture we have these days. If these allegations are true then there should definitely be some consequences but what if they aren't? Like I don't understand why it's okay for people to attack someone with such conviction with out even knowing how true this is. Make no mistake, I am not blaming the accuser, no one should attack her either and I don't believe in the term "Social Justice Warrior" but is it really okay to destroy someone's reputation without knowing for sure if something is real or not? I used to think I was a hardcore liberal and honestly I very much still consider myself liberal but what happened to common sense? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? I mean if I was a public figure someone could just say I did something terrible and what? My reputation is gone? It's such a scary thought and I just don't understand it. Is this what getting old feels like?
nature boy
Member
Ok now that the dust has settled here's my 2 cents, FWIW:
I want to separate the accusation from the way the whole situation was handled . I wasn't online when the whole thing blew up, and I'm really frustrated at how it was handled. Taken the entire site offline, with no explanation - on site or social media - is just piss poor, make the forum read-only or at a bare minimum a simple html page. Took over a day just to get something back to normal. I think the community - and right now that's the most important thing - deserved better. And the OT post and the Waypoint article aren't exactly reassuring TBH.
The community will probably never be the same, in particular PoliGAF, let's see what comes out of the new administration, but the community wasn't the main priority in all this mess.
I want to separate the accusation from the way the whole situation was handled . I wasn't online when the whole thing blew up, and I'm really frustrated at how it was handled. Taken the entire site offline, with no explanation - on site or social media - is just piss poor, make the forum read-only or at a bare minimum a simple html page. Took over a day just to get something back to normal. I think the community - and right now that's the most important thing - deserved better. And the OT post and the Waypoint article aren't exactly reassuring TBH.
The community will probably never be the same, in particular PoliGAF, let's see what comes out of the new administration, but the community wasn't the main priority in all this mess.
zenspider
Member
Subpar Scrub
Banned
Just do it.
Yeah, it was nice having what might have been the only heavily trafficked gaming forum that wasn't flooded with alt-right/GamerGater dipshits. While there were obviously various issues with moderation that I can understand people complaining about, it was good to know that anyone flipping out about racist/sexist/homophobic shit was about to get banned.
CrazedProfessional
Member
Neogaf is pretty much having a civil war right now with the old mods and old content creators asking for banme's and waiting for ResetEra, some middling posters moving to *******, Slaent or Vice. Other posters like myself are kind of waiting and seeing but it'll be interesting to see which websites get boosted to the top or if they all fail and Discord replaces forums entirely like it has been doing for awhile now, after it was done eating the corpse of IRC.
From an Internet History perspective it's basically Forum vs Forum vs Discord and it's not really Evilore's actions that caused this, Discord vs Forums has been a long time coming but it's just come early because of the Gaf Civil War.
From an Internet History perspective it's basically Forum vs Forum vs Discord and it's not really Evilore's actions that caused this, Discord vs Forums has been a long time coming but it's just come early because of the Gaf Civil War.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
Oh right assault can only be physical contact, nothing more. My apologies.
Well.....
I feel evilore was subject to gross exaggeration even if the allegations are true. There was no rape or anything of the sort. Even if it is true alcohol can severely hamper people's judgement. Not an excuse, but people do make mistakes.
Glad the forum is back, but think it is an error of judgement to remove the off topic, doesn't help the perception of the board. I think just employ a few extra temporary mods to police the OT section. Also do not ban civil discussion on the issue. Rather endure it as hard for you as it may be, Evilore.
And whilst it may seem hypocritical to start now, witch-hunts for people should be firmly controlled.
I feel evilore was subject to gross exaggeration even if the allegations are true. There was no rape or anything of the sort. Even if it is true alcohol can severely hamper people's judgement. Not an excuse, but people do make mistakes.
Glad the forum is back, but think it is an error of judgement to remove the off topic, doesn't help the perception of the board. I think just employ a few extra temporary mods to police the OT section. Also do not ban civil discussion on the issue. Rather endure it as hard for you as it may be, Evilore.
And whilst it may seem hypocritical to start now, witch-hunts for people should be firmly controlled.
You unironically call yourself an SJW? Hmm.....
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