You're probably right. That's what happened to Omed.
Kenny asked me to shoot him when I raised the gun. He was done and emotionally spent.
R.I.P. Kenny, you were an asshole for two seasons but I loved you anyway.
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You're probably right. That's what happened to Omed.
Kenny asked me to shoot him when I raised the gun. He was done and emotionally spent.
R.I.P. Kenny, you were an asshole for two seasons but I loved you anyway.
She helped save Clem before, she introduced the concept of the zombie camo to everyone (which Clem affirmed was legit, she helped Sarah, taught Clem a quicker way to take out infected, Clem eased Jane into warming up with everyone else other than Kenny, came back twice when obviously she had a clear shot to escape from the group. She showed she's willing to go through a lot of bullshit for Clem and that's why I stuck with her. Is she crazy? Yeah? Crazier than Kenny? Fuuck no. I'll take the glass chewing drunk over the grief ridden asshole.
OverturePT
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^ Show the man some respect, he took a beating that almost killed him for you. Where was the bitch Jane? She also never gave Kenny a fucking break and took every second that she was with me to turn me against him, always pushing him knowing that the dude was in pain (emotionally), that's certainly not how you deal with it. Fuck her, she's dead, thanks for the nail thingy.
EDIT: I was replying to Silky btw, not Skeyser.
EDIT: I was replying to Silky btw, not Skeyser.
Kenny never gave anyone a break. He continued to insist on doing things his way without consulting what was best for the group--one of the reasons why Bonnie and Mike left in the first place. He pissed off an already broken, guilt-filled fool in Arvo for beating the shit out of him when others told him to desist because he didn't deserve it. He got Alvin and the guy at the lodge killed because of his bullshit. He was fucking unstable. Literally a timebomb of emotions.
Compare that to Jane who hasn't really gotten anyone killed (I blame Sarah's death on Luke because he's proven his incompetence before, despite her feeling guilt in it anyway.) and is generally cool with everyone outside of Rebecca (who died of blood loss) and Kenny. I see her as a better role model for Clem compared to Kenny.
That's the problem with his character, if you're Lee you could probably beat some sense into him, but as Clementine you can't, he's a ticking time bomb even though he likes you.
He was going to fucking fight his way out when Carver caught the group, they just lucked out because he trips and hit his head.
JohnnyLovesYou
Banned
Kind of off topic but: My mother has been curious about video games so I'm getting her to try the walking dead at some point this evening. I really hope this goes well. I figure a slower, narrative focused experience is more her pace. She's in her sixties.
yea I think season 1 is good as entry, there also aren't a lot of QTEs
Man I feel like a completely dehumanized and terrible person after how I decided to end it all in this season.
I killed Kenny, forgave Jane and went with her and I told that family to get the fuck out. I really, really, really liked Jane all the way up to when
and admittedly I can't really like her now, but I still forgave her. Gaaah, this episode had some great moments!
I still felt a little derp about killing Kenny because honestly I laughed out loud when he appeared in Season 2. Kenny could've just been a new character who had issues because he missed his family. He was so clearly dead in Season 1 so this was obvious fanservice. I mean, what's the next thing gonna be? Luke survives after being dragged to the bottom of the icy seafloor with a penetrated leg by a zombie ready to eat it? I can see it coming miles away after knowing how they just brought Kenny back in S2.
Anywho, there was also some bullshit in this season writing-wise. First of all Ep1 was so god damn awful, and episode 3 was really poorly written as well. In the second episode things started going somewhere but then already one episode later they started screwing up characters like Carver, who was genuinely intimidating in episode 2 became a complete immature and stubborn idiot in episode 3 as did Kenny. Then in Ep4 the writing was back on track but several moments in the final episode I felt like the characterization was annoying again. It's like in 1 3 and 5 there's too much "coolness" and edgyness of Kenny being completely stupid and acting like a jackass but also stuff like Clementine talking like a fully grown adult or only having choices that feels out of character for her. The biggest bullshit though was how after all you went through it just time skips at the end of EP5 to "NINE DAYS LATER"... Nine days of what!? Wasn't the baby already cold and starving. So many suspend disbelief killers >_>
I have a lot of nitpicks with this season but I feel like the good outweighed the bad in the end, but it's nowhere near as good as the first season which outside of episode 4 was very, very solid through and through.
I killed Kenny, forgave Jane and went with her and I told that family to get the fuck out. I really, really, really liked Jane all the way up to when
she left the Baby in the car
I still felt a little derp about killing Kenny because honestly I laughed out loud when he appeared in Season 2. Kenny could've just been a new character who had issues because he missed his family. He was so clearly dead in Season 1 so this was obvious fanservice. I mean, what's the next thing gonna be? Luke survives after being dragged to the bottom of the icy seafloor with a penetrated leg by a zombie ready to eat it? I can see it coming miles away after knowing how they just brought Kenny back in S2.
Anywho, there was also some bullshit in this season writing-wise. First of all Ep1 was so god damn awful, and episode 3 was really poorly written as well. In the second episode things started going somewhere but then already one episode later they started screwing up characters like Carver, who was genuinely intimidating in episode 2 became a complete immature and stubborn idiot in episode 3 as did Kenny. Then in Ep4 the writing was back on track but several moments in the final episode I felt like the characterization was annoying again. It's like in 1 3 and 5 there's too much "coolness" and edgyness of Kenny being completely stupid and acting like a jackass but also stuff like Clementine talking like a fully grown adult or only having choices that feels out of character for her. The biggest bullshit though was how after all you went through it just time skips at the end of EP5 to "NINE DAYS LATER"... Nine days of what!? Wasn't the baby already cold and starving. So many suspend disbelief killers >_>
I have a lot of nitpicks with this season but I feel like the good outweighed the bad in the end, but it's nowhere near as good as the first season which outside of episode 4 was very, very solid through and through.
flaxknuckles
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Yes please
JohnnyLovesYou
Banned
Yeah. She's trying things out. She's surprisingly terrible at just clicking things. She likes Clementine though so hopefully meaningful character interactions will detract from 'difficult game-play.'
(She's Old.)
Please... The description 'lost' and 'status unknown' have always been used to describe Kenny in wikis and things of the like. It was super clear he didn't 'die' in season 1. It was kind of obvious he'd come back. The fact that he's never shown actually dying makes it even more obvious.
The Luke comparison doesn't actually even make a whole lot of sense given that in my playthrough, I saw his dead corpse sinking in the deep.
Clem has a much better chance of surviving at wellington than with another psychopath and an untrustworthy family in an abandoned mall.
Nah, Luke is lame.
LurkerPrime
Member
It's heartening to see more people doing the right thing and siding the Jane. Clem's gotta survive, y'know?
I'm curious about this, too. I have that one song stuck in my head.
I'm curious about this, too. I have that one song stuck in my head.
If you chose to just cover Luke it clearly shows him drowning and fading away, no chance for him to return.
I could see Arvo returning as a possible season 3 antagonist.
Also concerning the OST, there's a telltale music extractor that grabs the music from games you own, I got the season 1 episode 5 ending song that way.
I could see Arvo returning as a possible season 3 antagonist.
Also concerning the OST, there's a telltale music extractor that grabs the music from games you own, I got the season 1 episode 5 ending song that way.
Would you rather have the unstable psycho or the ride or die psycho?
(The latter is Jane.)
JohnnyLovesYou
Banned
I'd rather have the unstable psycho who'd hurt everyone else before they'd hurt me.
Kenny could mess other people up. He'd never touch Clementine though. That's all I'm concerned about. Its a concern that is definitely relevant in the decision making process of shooting Kenny or not but one that is fairly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, given that choosing the the person who is arguably more insane grants a happier ending.
Yeah exactly. Kenny is pretty damn far gone, but he will always protect Clem no matter what. I never got that vibe from Jane at all. She may have found a friend in Clem and cares for her, but I don't think she would try and save Clem in an impossible situation the way Kenny would. I dunno. There is some merit to the survival knowledge Jane can pass on rather than being reliant on Kenny as a factor of protection and survival but in the end I just couldn't pull the trigger on him, and I'm glad I didn't.
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In the Pines? The songs during the credits were great. Amazing soundtrack in general.
Just finished it, ended up with Clem and AJ alone, which felt fitting, since the season was full of assholes (well except Pete and Luke maybe). Can't do a lenghty write-up right now, but I really enjoyed it, much more than I expected after the lukewarm reception. Not far behind S1.
JohnnyLovesYou
Banned
I don't know why it just occurred to me that Jane's dead sister could be something of importance regarding her being fond of Clementine. Clem is probably filling in the void Jane's sister left (much in the same way Molly had a soft spot from Clem at times). Clementine ,being a tough n' young survivor, is probably everything Jane's sister wasn't.
Ya dun gud
Ya dun gud
Admiral Woofington
Member
Honestly I'm just glad a zombified Lee didn't appear if you didn't shoot him. Would have been so forced.
I just finished it too. I thought it was a great episode, but I was so mad during that scene where everyone was drinking rum around the fire. It was great just hanging out with all the other characters and listening to them react to each other that it really hit home how little of that happened this season. Maybe if Telltale had just slowed down a bit and let everything breathe in, say, episode two, then we could have made it to the end caring about more than a couple characters.
And, in the end, I saved Kenny and ended up in Wellington with AJ. I probably wouldn't have, but the flashback with Lee really hammered home how special the group from the first season was and I couldn't let him go. And then Kenny flipped it on me outside Wellington, talking about how we had to split up for AJ and it made too much sense not to go in. I was definitely lucky, it seems like the most emotionally satisfying possible ending.
And, in the end, I saved Kenny and ended up in Wellington with AJ. I probably wouldn't have, but the flashback with Lee really hammered home how special the group from the first season was and I couldn't let him go. And then Kenny flipped it on me outside Wellington, talking about how we had to split up for AJ and it made too much sense not to go in. I was definitely lucky, it seems like the most emotionally satisfying possible ending.
If anything, Kenny insisting that that Wellington take Clem and AJ, and not himself only proves that everyone was wrong about him, especially Jane. When push came to shove he put the well being of the children, AJ especially above his own selfish needs for a replacement family. The man Jane kept insisting Kenny was never would have done that.
TJP
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A place that is scarier than any found in TWD series are the TellTale forums...some of the topics are 'interesting' to say the least. To be fair, the 'Details you might have forgotten or missed' thread does highlight some interesting facts.
As for season two, it was enjoyable despite various shortcomings in the narrative. I chose to shoot Kenny, leave with Jane and allow the family entry. Jane was hardly a saint & her plan to show Kenny was unstable was very stupid however she remained cognitively stable and offered the most logical solution to try and find food at Howie's based on first hand info from Bonnie. I didn't much care for Kenny in season one and he became more pig-headed the further season two progressed. Kenny's master plan was to look for a place that no one knew exactly where in Wellington it was or if it even existed. No one in the group wanted to go with Kenny either. That said, I was sad to have shot Kenny.
Edit: here are the stats from Steam as of the 1st of September:
I hope season three offers a more cohesive and believable story with an older lead character. As much as I like the Clementine character, adults deferring to an 11 year old in critical situations (as well as asking said child to undertake many highly risky tasks befitting an adult) is scarcely believable, even in a videogame.
As for season two, it was enjoyable despite various shortcomings in the narrative. I chose to shoot Kenny, leave with Jane and allow the family entry. Jane was hardly a saint & her plan to show Kenny was unstable was very stupid however she remained cognitively stable and offered the most logical solution to try and find food at Howie's based on first hand info from Bonnie. I didn't much care for Kenny in season one and he became more pig-headed the further season two progressed. Kenny's master plan was to look for a place that no one knew exactly where in Wellington it was or if it even existed. No one in the group wanted to go with Kenny either. That said, I was sad to have shot Kenny.
Edit: here are the stats from Steam as of the 1st of September:
Perhaps the other largely chosen ending aka friendship is is Clem, AJ and Kenny walking off together after Kenny is refused entry at Wellington..
I hope season three offers a more cohesive and believable story with an older lead character. As much as I like the Clementine character, adults deferring to an 11 year old in critical situations (as well as asking said child to undertake many highly risky tasks befitting an adult) is scarcely believable, even in a videogame.
I just beat it. I killed Kenny and stayed with Jane because it was the only real option. Clem wandering off into the cold with just a baby is a death sentence.
What Jane did was fucked up but she was right about Kenny. I doubt that he would ever hurt Clem or AJ, but eventually he was going to put everyone in a situation that got them killed. The guy was just too far gone.
I watched the Wellington ending and I don't know. I really doubt Wellington is the paradise everyone seems to think. I mean come on, this is the Walking Dead.
Also the dumbest and most fucked up thing this entire season had to be Mike and Bonnie abandoning Clem and AJ to make off with fucking Arvo. I mean seriously? What the hell was that?
What Jane did was fucked up but she was right about Kenny. I doubt that he would ever hurt Clem or AJ, but eventually he was going to put everyone in a situation that got them killed. The guy was just too far gone.
I watched the Wellington ending and I don't know. I really doubt Wellington is the paradise everyone seems to think. I mean come on, this is the Walking Dead.
Also the dumbest and most fucked up thing this entire season had to be Mike and Bonnie abandoning Clem and AJ to make off with fucking Arvo. I mean seriously? What the hell was that?
About the game itself, I would say that is not as good as the first one. Especially due to how random and unsatisfying some of the deaths were considering how much work I put in those characters.
It still was a solid adventure though.
Yep, I just checked that ending and I'm actually even angrier that I didn't just leave Kenny kill Jane, it was the desperate situation that forced me to make that shot.
It seemed like the good choice at the time, goddammit.
It still was a solid adventure though.
Yep, I just checked that ending and I'm actually even angrier that I didn't just leave Kenny kill Jane, it was the desperate situation that forced me to make that shot.
It seemed like the good choice at the time, goddammit.
While I'm sympathetic to Kenny, he was always a good guy when he had an opportunity to think. It was in the heat of the moment that he became a menace to everyone around him.
I would agree with this if it wasn't for the fact of him killing Jane, made him realize just how far-gone he was. He tries to justify part of his actions after Jane's death, but he knows just how messed up he was. This is why he begged Clem to leave during Wellington, and told her to take AJ with her if she decides to leave him. No one was saying he was dangerous directly to Clem or the baby. You don't need to be a direct threat to be dangerous. His actions towards others (even group members) can cause an effect that lessens the group's survival chances.
Kenny was always a put the family/top friends first type of guy, but in his haste to do so, he put in danger everyone else to do so.
Admiral Woofington
Member
That doesn't really say shit. The issue with Kenny wasn't that he was a bad guy, it's that he is a guy who couldn't control his anger and was increasingly getting worse. He has always put his family and close ones first, him letting them go only means he realizes this is better for them, which it is.
Why didnt they let me put a bullet into Bonnie and Arvo
Bonnie was already on a short leash for the crap she pulled earlier getting us caught by Carver, then she blames me for not going to help Luke out the ice. I'm a 13 year old girl under 100 lbs this is a grown man who weights prob near 200 lbs with a hurt leg and you want me to go try and pull him up GTFO, I was hoping she drowned.
Then she has to nerve to be upset with me afterwards.
BTW shoot kenny didnt want to but had to make a choice
Bonnie was already on a short leash for the crap she pulled earlier getting us caught by Carver, then she blames me for not going to help Luke out the ice. I'm a 13 year old girl under 100 lbs this is a grown man who weights prob near 200 lbs with a hurt leg and you want me to go try and pull him up GTFO, I was hoping she drowned.
Then she has to nerve to be upset with me afterwards.
BTW shoot kenny didnt want to but had to make a choice
The Silver
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I can understand Arvo pulling that shit, that's fine he thought I killed his sister, whatever I can deal.
I chose to help Luke so Bonnie didn't get mad at me, still I always knew she was a weak willed person and wasn't THAT surprised when she tried to leave, I still badly wanted to kill her of course.
But Mike....Mike that hypocritical son of a bitch, what I wouldn't give for him to be in Carver's place while I watch Kenny bash his head in.
I chose to help Luke so Bonnie didn't get mad at me, still I always knew she was a weak willed person and wasn't THAT surprised when she tried to leave, I still badly wanted to kill her of course.
But Mike....Mike that hypocritical son of a bitch, what I wouldn't give for him to be in Carver's place while I watch Kenny bash his head in.
I'd have been in a bad mood too if I got forced into a group full of assholes as stupid as the ones this season. It sucks that Alvin got killed, but shit, at least he tried. Everyone else was a submissive moron when Carver showed up. I was the one who told him to shoot in the first place in my game.
And Arvo did deserve it. Mike and Bonnie tripping over themselves to suck the kid's dick after he tried to get everyone killed remains the most baffling thing in this entire season.
Also, this. In a post-apocalyptic world like the one TWD presents, family comes above all else. Period. Whether it's a blood-related or makeshift surrogate family is irrelevant, and that's why Kenny was the one I had on my side this whole season.
Luke bailed when shit hit the fan. Bonnie and Mike bailed and stole from you. Nick was just fucking dumb. Serah was useless. Carlos was useless.
Kenny was literally the only trustworthy person in the group, and being able to trust someone with your life is a pretty big deal when it's in danger at all times. The downside? He becomes enraged when you think you killed his surrogate child. Shocking. Clearly unhinged.
HadesGigas
Member
The downside is he comes enraged at everyone every time they say or do something he doesn't like. From pretty much day 1 in season 1.
It probably works out better with you as Clem than in season 1 as Lee though, since you're his "family" now. So you're only on the receiving end of it during the Sarita bit, and some collateral damage in the last episode when you're trying to calm him down about Arvo and everything after.
That's why as Clem i was much nicer to Kenny than I was as Lee. He was a fucking ASSHOLE to my Lee. And was mostly nice to Clem (other than refusing to help look for her, which she wouldn't be aware of).
It probably works out better with you as Clem than in season 1 as Lee though, since you're his "family" now. So you're only on the receiving end of it during the Sarita bit, and some collateral damage in the last episode when you're trying to calm him down about Arvo and everything after.
That's why as Clem i was much nicer to Kenny than I was as Lee. He was a fucking ASSHOLE to my Lee. And was mostly nice to Clem (other than refusing to help look for her, which she wouldn't be aware of).
He was my buddy in S1 too, though we started butting heads towards the end of the season. He didn't help me when I needed to find Clem, which bothered me, but when he sacrificed himself to save Christa I felt really disappointed in myself for not being more patient with him. Was really happy to see him again in S2 and set things right, in a way.
I've actually never had him not help try and find Clem. How does he still sacrifice himself for Christa? Does he go along but just not care about finding Clem or do you meet up with him later or something?
IIRC he's joining the search party after he gets his ass kicked/boat stolen by the crawford geriatric underground.
I should have gone with Kenny, it makes so much sense in terms of character development.
He was far gone and he knew that, that's why he decided to protect the childs from himself and give them a chance to live.
You know what's the worst part about the endings where you save Jane? That no matter what happens she's still the same damn bastard.
If you end-up forgiving her she's still an antisocial ass and if you decide to leave her, you know what she says?
"I don't want to be alone okay?"
Such a selfish sh*t, I'm better without her.
He was far gone and he knew that, that's why he decided to protect the childs from himself and give them a chance to live.
You know what's the worst part about the endings where you save Jane? That no matter what happens she's still the same damn bastard.
If you end-up forgiving her she's still an antisocial ass and if you decide to leave her, you know what she says?
"I don't want to be alone okay?"
Such a selfish sh*t, I'm better without her.
El_Fenomeno
Member
Not sure how I feel about Jane, but fuck kenny lol. He was too far gone. Sure he wouldn't hurt Clem or AJ ever, but what if he somehow got on someone else's bad side. What would stop him/her from hurting them?
I do like the discussion episode 5 seems to have stirred up. A lot of divergency as far as opinions/beliefs go. I picked Jane/abandoned the family, but there are no "right" answers. Those that picked Kenny because it felt more "canon" are kind of cheating themselves out of an organic experience, though.
Admiral Woofington
Member
She already came back for you. She has never come back before for anybody and went out of her way to try and show you the reality of Kenny, even if misguided. People need to give her points on the fact she's very awkward around making friendships or close bonds with people since her sister but at this point I'm pretty sure she's trying to redeem her mistake with Clem.
But that's the thing, she came back after she left. She's not reliable at all.
I don't care how socially "awkward" someone can be, if you lie about the death of a child to push a person that you knew was suffering of severe mental problems over the edge just to prove that you're right then you're not only selfish but also a goddamn psychopath.
We're better without Jane, there's no doubt about it.