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Ha I was so focused on his face I didn't even notice the watermark. Now I feel like an idiot.
ThatStupidLion
Gold Member
i'm worried about the scaling items - does this mean that by the time i'm only 1/2 done with the game i'll have seen every item/enhancement, just not with top stats?
hope there are plenty of items that are evenly distributed throughout the game.
hope there are plenty of items that are evenly distributed throughout the game.
They've said Ciri stuff is short and linear sequences. She wont b free roaming or anything.
For me is really depends what they intend to do with the crafted gear. Prior to this they've said that the crafted stuff would be the best gear in the game and that the sets would require you to find schematics and materials from very difficult means and then find someone in the world skilled enough to make the item, which may also involve a quest.
If that is still in place then I feel like this system could reach a "happy medium" where an earnest player is still able to seek greater rewards and I wouldn't be bothered by lesser items scaling.
Always-honest
Banned
Sounds pretty great
KiefbladeMaster
Member
This was posted in another thread.
That looks fantastic. All of this sounds great, actually. Would've been interested to see what that ice skating battle was like.
UnluckyKate
Member
I don't understand their loot scaling system. Does it goes in pair with leveling ? Oblivion was terrible because of this. And what about unique items ? Do they scale ? It's always better to wait late game to do the quest that will reward unique drops then ?
They wont scale up past their pre-determined level. So if you wait until level 25 to get a level 21 sword, it will still be level 21, but if you acquire it at level 18, it will be level 18 sword (and wont scale up with you). I can definitely see it working.
Monsters dont drop weapons, so your example doesn't really apply.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Don't like the loot scaling (not the way they do it anyhow, having the item be permanently lower stat)
Don't like the idea of skull enemies, if i can see something I should be able to kill it if I'm good at the game mechanics.
In dragon's dogma I could go find the drake in the northern forest at level 10 and actually kill it.
In dark souls you can stay level 1 and still beat the game.
The concept of skull enemies and 'no dmg to high level enemies' does not instill much confidence in the combat mechanics and depth of the game.
If there was enough depth to have a long learning curve and wide variety of difficulty in encounters then they wouldn't need bandaids like skull enemies and oneshotting.
The realism argument? Nothing makes sense then.
3rd game in a row and you'll start over struggling against wolves and other enemies that were fodder to you midway through the last game.
Don't like the idea of skull enemies, if i can see something I should be able to kill it if I'm good at the game mechanics.
In dragon's dogma I could go find the drake in the northern forest at level 10 and actually kill it.
In dark souls you can stay level 1 and still beat the game.
The concept of skull enemies and 'no dmg to high level enemies' does not instill much confidence in the combat mechanics and depth of the game.
If there was enough depth to have a long learning curve and wide variety of difficulty in encounters then they wouldn't need bandaids like skull enemies and oneshotting.
The realism argument? Nothing makes sense then.
3rd game in a row and you'll start over struggling against wolves and other enemies that were fodder to you midway through the last game.
FreddieQuell
Member
If weapons have a set maximum power level then I wonder if the scaling can be modded out? I hope so, this is the first dissapointing thing I've heard about the game so far.
It can be protecting an area/chest with high level loot.
I am sorry, but I don't understand your problem with a visual indicator of whether or not the monster stats are so superior to yours that you really stand no chance in battle. It's just an icon that is shown if the stat difference is big enough. You can still try beating it, but you're unlikely to win.
Denton
Member
Can you stay at level 1 in Dark Souls and defeat all the monsters and bosses?
I am fairly certain the UI skull can be disabled, and I don't see anything wrong with oneshotting. I loved being oneshotted in Gothic 2, getting stronger, coming back and kicking ass.
Huh ?
It's been done in all Souls games. It's known as SL1 runs (Souls Level 1).
That's right, after a certain point the team will have to meet and decide if they can allocate more polygons and dev time to it. They're on a tight schedule, so.
This is one of the few negative things about the game I have read so far. It kills the joy of obtaining powerful loot that you come across, and thus makes the whole looting system less satisfying. Skyrim did it this way and that was a bad design decision.
Hopefully they can change this in the day one patch.
Or, maybe it'll be one of the first mods for the PC version...Oh damn, I need this now!This was posted in another thread.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Right, so there shouldn't be level requirements for items at all. It's an action RPG: find loot, use loot. You don't have strength/agility stats to worry about and level really shouldn't matter. But the loot scaling down because of your level is particularly worrisome, doesn't make much sense, and is contradictory towards the kind of game they've been marketing Wild Hunt as.
Though the game had a multitude of other problems, the aggressive item scaling in Oblivion utterly devastated my enthusiasm to actually seek out new gear and embark on difficult quests. Hopefully Wild Hunt's scaling doesn't regress that far.
Just ragdoll that thing and be done with it.
I think the problem stems from having an open world. If you can sneak behind monster X, or side step it, or find an alternate route to place y, and you end up wiht a very powerful item... well that's a rewarding feeling for the player, for sure, BUT it can mean boring combat that becomes trivial.
You have to account for both of those scenerios, and I think this solution sounds like a decent compromise. You still get a cool items with unique abilities, but it's not going to throw the rest of your gameplay off.
The other option is of course, to gate these items at all times via hard monsters or impassible obstructions that only become traversable later, as unlcoks from story or quests or level. But that quickly becomes tiresome in what is supposed ot be an open world game. What the point of an open world that is gated every which place?
Who said they even display the item level? I just don't see a problem if you didn't know the "original level" in the first place.
Denton
Member
That's weird.
Basketball
Member
Weapons scaling down and being set
Sounds like amalur all over
Sounds like amalur all over
Morrowind does not have level scaling for unique/rare items.
No level scaling is the best level scaling.
SneakyStephan
Banned
That's just the thing, it shouldn't mean boring combat if the combat and boss design is good.
That is why I said it doesn't instill much confidence in the combat for me...
Triple my damage in MGR and the combat is still AMAZING all the same.
RPGs should not have lowered expectations for gameplay and combat, especially now that there are rpgs out there with stellar encounter design and awesome combat.
Oblivion's main issue was that you couldn't even FIND the cool gear in the game until you were at a certain level. It was just impossible for the higher level gear to drop at all or even spawn in chests and the like. At least in this case the unique and awesome gear will still exist in the world.
That makes it far superior to the Oblivion system for me, even if it's not an ideal implementation on it's own.
Dragon1893
Member
Fantastic.
I love this because it makes sense, certain monsters are way more powerful than others and that fact shouldn't change based on the player's level.
It's an open world so you're bound to run into any kind of creature.
lotsofotherstuff
Member
That is a bit disappointing. Not that I was looking forward to seeing Geralts penis, but one thing that really made me go "Really?" was in the beginning of 2 when Triss was completely nude in bed but Geralt had his underwear on.
I guess the explanation could be that Triss sleeps nude and Geralt sleeps with his underwear on, but I don't think that is what they were going for.
I thought the explanation they gave on GTLive about that was very interesting, about not wanting to make you wait.
It's on youtube, if you haven't seen it.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I wish Ciri was the main character and not Geralt. Maybe she will be in the next game since this is the end of his story.
UnluckyKate
Member
yes it could... But what about difficulty scaling ? How will it work in the open world ?
lolosgolos
Banned
I think the character scaling the weapons is a good decision. It avoids the Dark Souls 1 issue where you got the sword from the dragons tale and most enemies were walk overs. In Witcher 3, its more of character development than powerful loot acquisition. Hope it this direction works out
I'm assuming this doesn't work the other way in late-game. Hope there isn't a chance of finding a great late-game weapon that is then scaled back due to my level.
New Vegas manages just fine.
Why is the item scale part a problem for people?
In most RPG's when you find a really powerful weapon, it's often that it's at higher level they your character, so you need to level up to be able to use that weapon.. and in W3 it's the same, no? If you don't want to downlevel your weapon, you just don't use it.. but if you want, then the weapon isn't as powerful as she would be if you would be at the same level as her, but the weapon is still going to be more powerful than a standart weapon which is the same level as you..
It's another choice left for you - are you going to wait to level up and use the weapon in her most powerful state or are you going to use the weapon right from the moment you find it but not as powerful as if you would waited and level up yourself to the level of the weapon
In most RPG's when you find a really powerful weapon, it's often that it's at higher level they your character, so you need to level up to be able to use that weapon.. and in W3 it's the same, no? If you don't want to downlevel your weapon, you just don't use it.. but if you want, then the weapon isn't as powerful as she would be if you would be at the same level as her, but the weapon is still going to be more powerful than a standart weapon which is the same level as you..
It's another choice left for you - are you going to wait to level up and use the weapon in her most powerful state or are you going to use the weapon right from the moment you find it but not as powerful as if you would waited and level up yourself to the level of the weapon
QuickSilverD
Member
doesn't the downleveling happens as soon as you pick the weapon though?
Damerman
Member
They should start a kickstarter to include Geralts penis in the game. I'd back it... for feminist and egalitarian purposes of course.
there should be more penises in games. they don't hesitate to put full frontal nudity for women, it should be the same for males. and its just a penis... a perfectly natural part of the human anatomy. Acting awkward around anatomical parts is outdated.
there should be more penises in games. they don't hesitate to put full frontal nudity for women, it should be the same for males. and its just a penis... a perfectly natural part of the human anatomy. Acting awkward around anatomical parts is outdated.
Because we keep getting posts like this, I think it's safe to say Dragon's Dogma and Dark Souls have risen the bar for action RPG combat, and I honestly don't think any western games are going to reach their standards of combat balance for the foreseeable future.
The overwhelming majority of action RPGs are made by RPG developers that mostly know how to balance stats and cooldowns and things like that. They're used to making games where the outcome of a battle depends on cerebral strategy and stats most of all.
Dragon's Dogma was made by the Devil May Cry team. It's experienced with the nuances of action combat: range, animation frames, combos, things like that. Dark Souls uses some of the same nuances as fighting games but slowed down. These are things that, for the most part, western RPG developers and even most JRPG developers don't understand all that well.
Just like Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age II & Inquisition, and Mass Effect, I'm expecting Witcher 3's combat to be traditional RPG combat where you mash buttons to make commands.
Net_Wrecker
Member
We should probably hold off on item scaling criticism until we see the system in action. if there are truly enough weapons to find and craft through the course of the game I don't think it's a big deal if weapons go down a few levels. It only becomes an issue if the loot is so limited that people start devising "optimal level" strategies advising players to hold off until level __ to get that sword because "blah blah blah."
This the way I like it as well. It feels so great to come back to an area that used to destroy you so you can be like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cmwTrTMqCo