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[Zeroing]

People we are missing the point! It doesn't matter If it's Team A or all teams doing it! It doesn't matter if doesn't affect you.

It's a principle of you/us as a consumer of video games.

DRM implies that even if you brought a game, the company/devs do not trust you with what you own/payed!!!


we gamers spend time arguing about petty things and we miss on important ones that truly matter for us gamers and shape the gaming industry.

what is the signal we are sending to the gaming industry?
That's the question everyone should be asking themselves.

 

[skit_data]

Yeah cause idiots who play offline deserver a fate worst than death. This is just a fake rage since it's Xbox. Talk to me when you can run games offline on PS5 or PC.

Fake outrage because its Xbox? The CBOMB on PS4 and PS5 were literally the go to topic just a couple of weeks ago.

You can run games in offline mode on PS5 (Turn off the "connect to internet" setting) and on PC (Start Steam in offline mode) so i really don't understand what you're going at here.

But I agree that this is pretty much overblown and won't be an issue for 99% of users.

 

[dcmk7]

You still haven't explained why this actually matters if 99.9999% of gamers have an active internet connection......how is this going to affect them negatively? Plus they get the benefit of more than one machine.

That's not the issue though, it never has been, it's not even related. How about just sticking to the issue?

The issue being digital titles installed on the machine, that has been legally purchased, why can't they be played offline? It's fully installed, ready to go.

Why do you think DRM is justified to prevent running of the game?

 

[THE DUCK]

That's not the issue though, it never has been, it's not even related. How about just sticking to the issue?

The issue being digital titles installed on the machine, that has been legally purchased, why can't they be played offline? It's fully installed, ready to go.

Why do you think DRM is justified to prevent running of the game?

But the problem is, you still haven't explained why this is actually an issue if it really doesn't affect anyone. Who cares if it's justified or not.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

The issue being digital titles installed on the machine, that has been legally purchased, why can't they be played offline? It's fully installed, ready to go.

Most of them can. There are some very niche scenarios where they can't, but that generally isn't a problem.

 

[dcmk7]

But the problem is, you still haven't explained why this is actually an issue if it really doesn't affect anyone. Who cares if it's justified or not.

The problem is I haven't explained why it's an issue? I have..

For someone to be in a potential scenario where you're unable to run games you legally purchased, and even have installed, isn't right.

That's the why.

Your reasoning seems to be because it doesn't affect the majority of people it means it's something that's not worth talking out.

You haven't answered why it's justified.

 

[The Pleasure]

Here we go…..also who the fuck plays offline.

Why is Adam Orth back on NeoGAF?

 

[THE DUCK]

The problem is I haven't explained why it's an issue? I have..

For someone to be in a potential scenario where you're unable to run games you legally purchased, and even have installed, isn't right.

That's the why.

Your reasoning seems to be because it doesn't affect the majority of people it means it's something that's not worth talking out.

You haven't answered why it's justified.

There's plenty of potentially valid reasons as to why it's justified, seems like:

- Potentially to reduce the possibility of piracy
- potentially problematic in terms of patching, running the best and most updated version of the game
- other reasons that ms may be privy to that you and I are not

Seems like any one of these would be reason enough if the problem isn't actually effecting anyone.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

its totally fake concern. The fact that we are just now having this thread is proof that nobody cares cuz everyone is online.

It's not just that everyone's online. It's also that even if you're offline, this is generally not an issue. The guy in the video forgot to setup his XSX as the home console. Since I don't know him I'll assume it was just an honest mistake, but if this video came from KingThrash or similar warriors, it could be classified as straight up FUD.

 

[FranXico]

Talk to me when you can run games offline on PS5 or PC.

I can.

 

[Jimmy_liv]

I initially thought "what if my Internet goes down" and then I realised for the purposes of launching a game I could just tether it to my phone or ipad.

Then I searched for WiFi in my area and realised that there's also 3 free WiFi hotpots available to use.

And yes, he straight up says he didn't have it set as his home console.

And then I realised this is a none issue.

 

[lh032]

Maybe, but I = most people.

sure sure.

 

[Shodan09]

Had series X since launch, literally never run into a single issue with anything like this. Perhaps I'm just lucky?

 

[Fake]

Yeah cause idiots who play offline deserver a fate worst than death.

lol... The level of people in this thread...

 

[Bigdrakegreenblood]

Wow, this doesn't surprise me at all. Especially with all the other anti-consumer policies on Xbox like paying for free to play games and Dolby atmos.

 

[SportsFan581]

Please share. I would like more information.

It was just this video that was already posted above. Because of how the video started I thought it was the same guy that posted the first one, but this video is older than the one in the OP:

Xbox Series X - How to Play Offline (I WAS WRONG) - Adam Koralik - YouTube

Clearly demonstrates how things CAN be played offline.

 

[DarkMage619]

The problem is I haven't explained why it's an issue? I have..

For someone to be in a potential scenario where you're unable to run games you legally purchased, and even have installed, isn't right.

That's the why.

Your reasoning seems to be because it doesn't affect the majority of people it means it's something that's not worth talking out.

You haven't answered why it's justified.

Did you read SenjutsuSage 's post? He took lots of time to test offline game access and he was successful. I had some issues playing offline games but after following the appropriate steps I took was able to play digital games offline on my home set Xbox. You certain this is a major problem? Don't you have an Xbox? Have you set it to home and tried this for yourself? If it didn't work what steps did you take?

 

[SportsFan581]

Did you read SenjutsuSage 's post? He took lots of time to test offline game access and he was successful. I had some issues playing offline games but after following the appropriate steps I took was able to play digital games offline on my home set Xbox. You certain this is a major problem? Don't you have an Xbox? Have you set it to home and tried this for yourself? If it didn't work what steps did you take?

I think if more people in this thread actually tried playing offline on Xbox they'd see what a nothing burger this whole thing is. LOL

 

[dcmk7]

Did you read SenjutsuSage 's post? He took lots of time to test offline game access and he was successful. I had some issues playing offline games but after following the appropriate steps I took was able to play digital games offline on my home set Xbox. You certain this is a major problem? Don't you have an Xbox? Have you set it to home and tried this for yourself? If it didn't work what steps did you take?

You don't make any sense. Have you followed the conversation? Are you aware what we are talking about? What steps have you tried before responding to my point?

 

[DarkMage619]

I think if more people in this thread actually tried playing offline on Xbox they'd see what a nothing burger this whole thing is. LOL

I think is some of these people actually HAD the Xbox this wouldn't be a controversial issue. Oh well it is something to war over.

 

[DarkMage619]

You don't make any sense. Have you followed the conversation? Are you aware what we are talking about? What steps have you tried before responding to my point?

This thread was about the major, super important, DRM, no offline access to your digital Xbox games issue. MVG did a video showing how he could not play digital games offline. Several people including myself actually tested this out and found that with, a little effort, were able to play digital games offline. I think the crisis is averted but I can tell you still think there is a major issue here. So again did you actually read the aforementioned post and try this for yourself?

 

[fermcr]

I WANT GAMEPASS FOR OFFLINE GAMING... wait, what?

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Had series X since launch, literally never run into a single issue with anything like this. Perhaps I'm just lucky?

You're not lucky, there just isn't any problem if you know what you're doing.

 

[M1chl]

I really like MVGs videos, but this was a bit disingenuous. He was game sharing his games and didnt have his xbox set up as home xbox. When you have your xbox set to your home xbox your digital games work fine. I'm game sharing with a friend of mine and when my internet goes out I can still play the games my buddy purchased digitally while i'm offline. The Playstation works the same way, only difference is that when you lose your internet, the xbox kicks you out of the game instantly and the playstation gives you 20min before kicking you out.

The smart delivery games forcing you to be online on the series x seems like an oversight, good on him for pointing that out and im sure it will be fixed eventually. Regular Series X games work fine offline when installed from disk

No you don't do this on Xbox like this, you simply get the credentials to a second user (of account where you bought your games) and then second user log in onto 2 accounts with their controller. And done, since there are some services tied to your home xbox, I find this solution way better, not the mention you can share it to another person, etc. I have one dump account with a lot of games, which I am sharing with 3 more people, they cannot play it at the same time obviously, but I still have this account "homed" on my Xbox.

 

[dcmk7]

This thread was about the major, super important, DRM, no offline access to your digital Xbox games issue. MVG did a video showing how he could not play digital games offline. Several people including myself actually tested this out and found that with, a little effort, were able to play digital games offline. I think the crisis is averted but I can tell you still think there is a major issue here. So again did you actually read the aforementioned post and try this for yourself?

Again, you won't or can't seem to follow a conversation.. I'm not surprised people keep adding you to ignore lists. It's boring as hell.

Stop acting like a 12 year old.

Me and THE DUCK were actually having a reasonable back and forth without resorting to warring, name calling or inventing bullshit claims. Something which you've managed to do twice in two posts.

It's sad as hell, dude. Do better.

 

[sainraja]

So seems this was the issue all along for those rare cases. They require a one-time online verification (proving you own them basically) if you didn't install them fresh from the Series X, or they were already installed on another hard drive. Once you perform the following actions they more or less always work offline. I had a feeling this was a misunderstanding.

The one-time online verification is basically a check that the system is doing to verify ownership which is a DRM mechanic. The video you shared does highlight the same thing but that guy understands why it is happening and is a little more understanding of why it needs to be done. The person in the original video was just checking different scenarios and was running into these same issues but didn't know how to bypass it. I am sure he would have mentioned that if he knew but the point still stands that the system needs to do some online checks.

But yes, it only really becomes an big issue if you have a lack of internet which sometimes does happen. For example, when I lost internet for a while due to some bill related confusion (was resolved) and didn't realize until after a few days that you can bypass it by forcing the system into offline mode. The system does not tell you that so I wasn't able to launch some games that required a game patch or I never launched before. The patch scenario did show a message which is what ultimately lead me to see how I could bypass it.

 

[Schmick]

You don't make any sense. Have you followed the conversation? Are you aware what we are talking about? What steps have you tried before responding to my point?

No offense but how did you not understand what DarkMage619 wrote in thread #271?

Its been made clear as day that you can play Xbox Games offline on an Xbox console.

What is there left to talk about?

 

[PhaseJump]

I never had any problems playing my Xbox collection offline on my home consoles. Needing to login with my account to validate access to those games on non-home consoles is a no-brainer, and something that MVG only did late in his video which blew me away and made me dismissive here.

Expecting 3 generations of older Xbox platforms with varying SKUs to work offline out of the box is kind of foolish IMO. The only surprise being One not being seamless on Series.

Whenever I ran into a "game is not ready" nag screen or switched to offline in the settings, for any of my downloaded games on the One, I'd usually have to just hard reset power cycle the console. A reboot usually fixes things.

Maybe there is a problem for some. Maybe there is an oversight happening at Xbox regarding the latest firmware updates. Microsoft certainly knows how to break Windows often enough.

I expect Xbox management to tweet about this whole thing, perhaps fix something; and still half of the console warriors will ignore it and cry about it being the end of the world.

 

[dcmk7]

No offense but how did you not understand what DarkMage619 wrote in thread #271?

Its been made clear as day that you can play Xbox Games offline on an Xbox console.

What is there left to talk about?

He completely and deliberately missed the point.

If you knew anything about him, you would know can't take him too seriously.

After all he is a proven liar and has deliberately mislead people on this forum.

 

[DarkMage619]

Again, you won't or can't seem to follow a conversation.. I'm not surprised people keep adding you to ignore lists. It's boring as hell.

Stop acting like a 12 year old.

Me and THE DUCK were actually having a reasonable back and forth without resorting to warring, name calling or inventing bullshit claims. Something which you've managed to do twice in two posts.

It's sad as hell, dude. Do better.

Dude did you even read my post? What name I call you? Warring? I didn't mention the PS5, Switch, Dreamcast, or any system other than the Xbox, the system this thread is about. I was polite to you and only asked if you read the post from SenjutsuSage detailing his efforts to get digital Xbox games working offline. Are you alright man? Maybe you need to take a nap or something, you seem stressed.

 

[dcmk7]

Dude did you even read my post? What name I call you? Warring? I didn't mention the PS5, Switch, Dreamcast, or any system other than the Xbox, the system this thread is about. I was polite to you and only asked if you read the post from SenjutsuSage detailing his efforts to get digital Xbox games working offline. Are you alright man? Maybe you need to take a nap or something, you seem stressed.

Just proved you're not able to read again by the way . What is going on with you.. you jumped into a conversation without knowing what we had been talking about.

Instead of taking time to understand, you decided you would rather invent a scenario where I'm the one suffering with issues.. which we all know is BS.

Either work on your reading skills or stop making stuff up.

 

[Schmick]

He completely and deliberately missed the point.

If you knew anything about him, you would know can't take him too seriously.

After all he is a proven liar and has deliberately mislead people on this forum.

Regardless I believe your concern "...For someone to be in a potential scenario where you're unable to run games you legally purchased, and even have installed, isn't right." has been adequately answered i.e. you can in fact play games offline.

 

[SportsFan581]

Regardless I believe your concern "...For someone to be in a potential scenario where you're unable to run games you legally purchased, and even have installed, isn't right." has been adequately answered i.e. you can in fact play games offline.

I assume there are a few X1 titles that won't install even if there isn't a 1X patch, just because the Xbox support site mentions the possibility of additional config files being required for some X1 games on the Series systems. Certainly the enhancements offered by Xbox BC are worth that tradeoff. The other time you will need a download would be next-gen aware cross-gen games on 50GB BR disks, obviously if the code is next-gen aware the game isn't running on a next-gen system without the next-gen patch.

Everything else, even GP games, can be played offline, so it is not an issue. The X1 games I mentioned above and the next-gen aware games would also be available offline once the needed files were added to the install (one-time thing). There never was a DRM issue here, and that's something that is being missed by some of the posters.

 

[dcmk7]

Regardless I believe your concern "...For someone to be in a potential scenario where you're unable to run games you legally purchased, and even have installed, isn't right." has been adequately answered i.e. you can in fact play games offline.

Have no idea tbh.

Haven't really been following this since my last post to dvdvideo yesterday, so will try and catch up properly

Only been in this thread to reply to someone who had been intent on over-dramatising & lying about a post I made.

I am sensing it was important for you to tell me the matter is closed though.

 

[Hendrick's]

Funny. I don't have any disks or any of these problems.

 

[BigLee74]

I gameshare with my boy. His Xbox is set as my home console.

If our internet ever drops, it's muggins here that gets booted to the desktop whilst he is oblivious upstairs playing his bloody games.

Cant wait until the wee shite leaves the house!

On a more serious note, it always annoyed me that it instantly throws me out. I understand the check on game startup, but I'm hardly up to no good if the internet drops mid game, am I? That's something they could improve.

 

[SomeGit]

All the ways I can prove you wrong... but I'll simply start at the easiest method and perhaps the one that might make you feel most silly. I present to you Assassins Creed Unity, original disc install, no downloads, no patches, older Xbox One game than Rise of the Tomb Raider. And here's a fantastic video from Digital Foundry to put this garbage to rest.




Unlike Rise of a Tomb Raider this one has no Xbox One X enhanced edition, thus didn't require a download of the enhanced version to properly install and play on the Series X. If an Xbox One X enhanced version exists that's the version Series X will force you to install, and I don't blame them. Why would they ever have customers play inferior versions of games?

So everybody is out there installing just physical disc versions of games now all of a sudden? Nobody messing with digital, am I right? All the games I've installed since getting my Series X, or that were already installed on my external, and I have just tonight booted into while completely offline.

Rise of the Tomb Raider
Elder Scrolls: Skyrim Definitive Edition
Fallout 4
Red Dead Redemption 2
Grand Theft Auto 5
Quantum Break
Ori and the Blind Forest
Peggle 2
Assassins Creed Origins

Every last one worked offline. All Xbox One games. Like three of them are Series X enhanced by this point if you count Halo 5 Guardians, but whatever.




You don't for Xbox Series X either.



User error really has you guys running with incorrect information. His Xbox was setup wrong from the start. 'My home xbox' wasn't activated. He didn't understand how the console verified ownership of digital games via a single check in if you didn't fresh install right on the console, but were carrying over an installation from a different system via an external drive. All he had to do was trigger the game ONCE while on the internet. It isn't even a download of anything. It's quite literally a fast check to see if your live account actually owns the game.

You think you don't need an internet connection in some form for digital BC games on PS5? Are you folks out of your minds? You guys don't think the Playstation 5 is checking to see if you really own PS4 titles that were pre-installed on an external hard drive? How the heck do you guys think Sony is confirming you actually own those PS4 games, magic? You think the PS5 at no point is using its servers to check to confirm that what's installed on your external drive is something you actually own? You think I can install God of War on my external drive using my PS4, bring the external over to my PS5 that's not currently connected to the internet and just play it straight out? If that were the case someone could install God of War to multiple different external drives and just hand them out to people to plug to their offline PS5s.

You want to know why returnal worked on that dude's disconnected from the internet PS5? Because it already did its internet verification when he installed the damn thing fresh on his console, so it didn't matter anymore that he was disconnected from the internet. Same is true for any Xbox Series X title if the person didn't by mistake have "My Home Xbox" turned off.

Honestly, his intention appeared sound, but the video was riddled with flaws from the very start. There's a difference between a game that received an Xbox One X enhancement and an Xbox One game that did not. One requires internet to get the right files, the other can play based on what's on the disk. And on another look, did it appear like Last of Us 2 was running at 60fps in his video? If so then his video had further problems. But he suggests he did the same comparison as the rise of the tomb raider disc, but I didn't see him insert any disc like he did for Rise of the Tomb Raider He might not have considered that because he already had PS5 for a time and only just got his Series X that any internet check ins for his most commonly played games were already done on the PS5 side, hence he had zero issue with offline play.

Trying to knocks Series X for requiring the download of enhanced Xbox One X titles rather than playing the inferior Xbox One versions is like criticizing the PS5 for not being able to play 60fps God of War, 60fps Last of Us 2 and the next gen version of Wreckfest out of the gate without an internet connection.

Sorry but this whole post is just a bunch of crap.

The no download part is irrelevant, the issue pointed out in the initial video is that the game won't start IF the console isn't connected online/set as offline. The DF video never talks about offline mode, they only mention not updating the game which you can do in online mode.

The issue here isn't patched or unpatched, the issue is the initial online activation that ALL xbox one games require on Series X.

If you set your console offline, try to install AC Unity on Xbox Series X and then try to run it, the console WILL not allow you to start the game you will need to connect online EVEN if you reject the update. Only then will AC Unity start unpatched. This applies to ALL Xbox One games on Xbox Series X, regardless of One X Enhancements or not. Try it, I just did it now with a title that doesn't have XB1X enhancements (Forza 6) and low and behold it doesn't start if installed in offline mode (error 0x87e00018). Go on try it.

And your logic about the Xbox One X enhancements is idiotic, if the console cannot fetch the XB1X patch then it should start the XB1S version, same with the Smart Delivery games. If the console has no way of fetching it's best version then it should at the very least start the one it already has. But even this is not the full story, since again, Xbox Series X will NOT play even non XB1XE games offline without activating it online first. The PS5 titles you mention will not get the 60 FPS patch yes, but regardless they WILL still play the original PS4 versions so they are able to be played offline with no initial activation online.

With all that text the only manage to reconfirm what was said in the original video:

-Xbox One games on Xbox Series X, be it Smart Delivery or not, are unplayable on offline systems unless they are activated online first. XB1XE are irrelevant, you need to activate them online first for ALL Xbox One titles.
-Same with downloads, even if they were downloaded on a system marked as an home system, unless activated online on its first run.
-The console CANNOT be setup offline, it will always require a connection to set it up.

 

[Blond]

All the ways I can prove you wrong... but I'll simply start at the easiest method and perhaps the one that might make you feel most silly. I present to you Assassins Creed Unity, original disc install, no downloads, no patches, older Xbox One game than Rise of the Tomb Raider. And here's a fantastic video from Digital Foundry to put this garbage to rest.




Unlike Rise of a Tomb Raider this one has no Xbox One X enhanced edition, thus didn't require a download of the enhanced version to properly install and play on the Series X. If an Xbox One X enhanced version exists that's the version Series X will force you to install, and I don't blame them. Why would they ever have customers play inferior versions of games?

So everybody is out there installing just physical disc versions of games now all of a sudden? Nobody messing with digital, am I right? All the games I've installed since getting my Series X, or that were already installed on my external, and I have just tonight booted into while completely offline.

Rise of the Tomb Raider
Elder Scrolls: Skyrim Definitive Edition
Fallout 4
Red Dead Redemption 2
Grand Theft Auto 5
Quantum Break
Ori and the Blind Forest
Peggle 2
Assassins Creed Origins

Every last one worked offline. All Xbox One games. Like three of them are Series X enhanced by this point if you count Halo 5 Guardians, but whatever.




You don't for Xbox Series X either.



User error really has you guys running with incorrect information. His Xbox was setup wrong from the start. 'My home xbox' wasn't activated. He didn't understand how the console verified ownership of digital games via a single check in if you didn't fresh install right on the console, but were carrying over an installation from a different system via an external drive. All he had to do was trigger the game ONCE while on the internet. It isn't even a download of anything. It's quite literally a fast check to see if your live account actually owns the game.

You think you don't need an internet connection in some form for digital BC games on PS5? Are you folks out of your minds? You guys don't think the Playstation 5 is checking to see if you really own PS4 titles that were pre-installed on an external hard drive? How the heck do you guys think Sony is confirming you actually own those PS4 games, magic? You think the PS5 at no point is using its servers to check to confirm that what's installed on your external drive is something you actually own? You think I can install God of War on my external drive using my PS4, bring the external over to my PS5 that's not currently connected to the internet and just play it straight out? If that were the case someone could install God of War to multiple different external drives and just hand them out to people to plug to their offline PS5s.

You want to know why returnal worked on that dude's disconnected from the internet PS5? Because it already did its internet verification when he installed the damn thing fresh on his console, so it didn't matter anymore that he was disconnected from the internet. Same is true for any Xbox Series X title if the person didn't by mistake have "My Home Xbox" turned off.

Honestly, his intention appeared sound, but the video was riddled with flaws from the very start. There's a difference between a game that received an Xbox One X enhancement and an Xbox One game that did not. One requires internet to get the right files, the other can play based on what's on the disk. And on another look, did it appear like Last of Us 2 was running at 60fps in his video? If so then his video had further problems. But he suggests he did the same comparison as the rise of the tomb raider disc, but I didn't see him insert any disc like he did for Rise of the Tomb Raider He might not have considered that because he already had PS5 for a time and only just got his Series X that any internet check ins for his most commonly played games were already done on the PS5 side, hence he had zero issue with offline play.

Trying to knocks Series X for requiring the download of enhanced Xbox One X titles rather than playing the inferior Xbox One versions is like criticizing the PS5 for not being able to play 60fps God of War, 60fps Last of Us 2 and the next gen version of Wreckfest out of the gate without an internet connection.

Bro when I get home from work I'll make a video and show you how wrong you are. I've done the home console trick and everything and I cannot play my Xbox one games unless you launch it first to activate it. The console is basically a proprietary PC with NONE of the benefits or workarounds.

Also, you're talking about digital games. I'm talking about DISC based games that just DON'T WORK! Even if it's an "inferior" version I should be able to play the damn thing without having to handshake with Microsoft over the internet just to play.

It's DISC, I OWN IT, there's no reason for them to be checking on me.

 

[Andodalf]

If I can't get to the internet I have way bigger problems

 

[Trogdor1123]

Is this on both systems or just the Xbox? I'm on a digital ps5 so haven't seen it.

 

[DarkMage619]

Just proved you're not able to read again by the way . What is going on with you.. you jumped into a conversation without knowing what we had been talking about.

Instead of taking time to understand, you decided you would rather invent a scenario where I'm the one suffering with issues.. which we all know is BS.

Either work on your reading skills or stop making stuff up.

You have to be describing yourself man. No one called you any names. No one is 'warring'. You are the only one talking about 12 year olds (what is it with that age?). I simply asked if you read the post talking about how you can play digital games offline. That is what this thread is about by the way. I'm sorry you are having a bad day but perhaps if you detail the Xbox games you can't play offline we can help you remedy the issue. The DRM issue is clearly big news! Relax we are here to help!

 

[THE DUCK]

The worst part of this whole thing is the idea that some people might actually consider skipping the series X for this reason, which someone in this thread mentioned.

I like mvg a lot (subscribed), but this particular time I'm not on board, especially with the sensationalized title. Makes it sound like people are constantly locked out of thier own games by drm, which really isn't the case.

 

[Jadsey]

Blimey....this seems like another good reason to buy the PS5.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Funny. I don't have any disks or any of these problems.

Strange, then you must use your Series X often... the data didn't account for this..

 

[sainraja]

I assume there are a few X1 titles that won't install even if there isn't a 1X patch, just because the Xbox support site mentions the possibility of additional config files being required for some X1 games on the Series systems. Certainly the enhancements offered by Xbox BC are worth that tradeoff. The other time you will need a download would be next-gen aware cross-gen games on 50GB BR disks, obviously if the code is next-gen aware the game isn't running on a next-gen system without the next-gen patch.

Everything else, even GP games, can be played offline, so it is not an issue. The X1 games I mentioned above and the next-gen aware games would also be available offline once the needed files were added to the install (one-time thing). There never was a DRM issue here, and that's something that is being missed by some of the posters.

I think the main point wasn't if you could or could not play games offline (even the guy who made the first video was able to play some games offline.) You can say it's not a DRM issue but then you need to define what you see as DRM. Isn't DRM just a way for publishers/developers to ensure that a copy has been paid for? (The implementation of the DRM is less important here, the idea is basically for them to check whether or not you have bought the thing you are using.)

The system does utilize DRM under certain situations which is what happened with the person in the first video. He ran into some of those. The system itself does not communicate that to you if you weren't already aware of how to get the system ready for offline play. Showing 'go online to finish installing' isn't accurate and does not tell you of what is going on. In some cases, it just does nothing (if you didn't launch a digital game, which I think you ran into as well.)

 

[sainraja]

The worst part of this whole thing is the idea that some people might actually consider skipping the series X for this reason, which someone in this thread mentioned.

I like mvg a lot (subscribed), but this particular time I'm not on board, especially with the sensationalized title. Makes it sound like people are constantly locked out of thier own games by drm, which really isn't the case.

I don't think he was trying to mislead anyone. He was trying out different scenarios to see how they play out, even the second video shared by Senju, that guy ran into the same thing but he was informed or learned later how to get the system 'ready' for offline play.

I guess what no one is actually saying or pointing out in this thread is, if you are setting up a fresh system, then you won't run into these issues (you will still need to be connected for first install and you will still need to go into offline mode to bypass patches for offline play but how likely is that e.g. you set it up only to set the system to offline mode); I guess if you do carry your external with you and connect it to different Xboxes, it will definitely need to do the same check so it will need a connection.

 

[SportsFan581]

Is this on both systems or just the Xbox? I'm on a digital ps5 so haven't seen it.

There has to be DRM on all digital downloads on both systems. If you didn't have this, you could push a game to 20 different external drives and share those around, thus 20 people could be playing one copy in offline mode simultaneously, all logged in as the user that purchased the game (which Sony isn't aware of because everyone is offline). That is never going to happen.

The OP in the original video already confirmed that DMC had no issue running from the disk without an online connection, thus this is all much ado about nothing. The systems handle BC differently (Xbox does it better) and that creates some differences with the old software. This doesn't effect game preservation or any such nonsense, you can always play X1 disks on an X1 without a connection. LOL

The next-gen aware games are aware of the environment they are installed in and may be looking for files that don't exist on the disk, and are going to require the patch as a result. That is to be expected.

 

[SomeGit]

I think the main point wasn't if you could or could not play games offline (even the guy who made the first video was able to play some games offline.) You can say it's not a DRM issue but then you need to define what you see as DRM. Isn't DRM just a way for publishers/developers to ensure that a copy has been paid for? (The implementation of the DRM is less important here, the idea is basically for them to check whether or not you have bought the thing you are using.)

The system does utilize DRM under certain situations which is what happened with the person in the first video. He ran into some of those. The system itself does not communicate that to you if you weren't already aware of how to get the system ready for offline play. Showing 'go online to finish installing' isn't accurate and does not tell you of what is going on. In some cases, it just does nothing (if you didn't launch a digital game, which I think you ran into as well.)

The issue IS the DRM, that's what prevents ALL Xbox One games from being played on Series X without authenticating online. The issue is that when the servers are shut down in 20, 40, 50 years or whatever; physical Smart Delivery games and physical Xbox One games will become unplayable if not authenticated before when the servers were up. Hell, the console itself cannot be setup initially without an active connection, so if you restore the console to factory settings, change the HDD/SSD or never activated it before when the servers are inevitably shut down that console will become an expensive paperweight since it won't be able to play ANY games.

I get that some may not care about this since this will only become a real issue decades in the future, or even the CMOS issue on PS4; but others do.

 

[dcmk7]

You have to be describing yourself man. No one called you any names. No one is 'warring'. You are the only one talking about 12 year olds (what is it with that age?). I simply asked if you read the post talking about how you can play digital games offline. That is what this thread is about by the way. I'm sorry you are having a bad day but perhaps if you detail the Xbox games you can't play offline we can help you remedy the issue. The DRM issue is clearly big news! Relax we are here to help!

Called names? Warring? What are you on about..

I said you're inventing stuff up. Which you are still doing. It's an ugly habit.

This act of yours, laced with cringey sarcasm, is a a very tired one.

And it's really no wonder people don't take you seriously around here, and even block you. I see you got ..

today. Blocked this time by:

Maybe to encourage others that there ARE good ones out there and to keep fighting to get one if their Coil Whine is really bad and it bothers them???? Yikes....another asshole for the ignore list.

I should have taken SlimySnake advice a while ago.

Put Darkmage and Riky on ignore. They are part of a sociopathic LOL brigade who can only communicate with LOL emojis because what I presume to be some kind of stunted emotional development.

It all started with Sleep Doctor and a couple of other fanboys who struggled to formulate replies upon being triggered by criticism of their favorite console. He got himself perma'd a while ago but Riky and DarkMage managed to catch this virus before his ban. Now putting them on ignore is the best way to rid your notification feed of these sociopath LOL givers.

Your 'arguments' are based on an alternative reality, which are incoherent and nonsensical.

I'm not surprised you're living in this thread you were laughed out of the Next Gen Tech thread with your hot takes.

Like I said to you before. Do better.

 

[Ma-Yuan]

The worst part of this whole thing is the idea that some people might actually consider skipping the series X for this reason, which someone in this thread mentioned.

I like mvg a lot (subscribed), but this particular time I'm not on board, especially with the sensationalized title. Makes it sound like people are constantly locked out of thier own games by drm, which really isn't the case.

I won't buy a series x because of this. If they remedy it with a firmware update I would be on board. I have a one, one s and one x but I don't support a digital only or digital verify future for any company would not buy a Sony or Nintendo console for the same reason if they had similar issues. But people like me already knew that stufff before so he won't change any bodies mind IMHO.