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[User 479360]

Nothing impresses me more than the Egyptian pyramids, but there are other really cool structures in this world.

Stonehenge is amazing, the Great Wall of China, the Coliseum.

 

[elrechazado]

I've done better than you have, by a country mile, in this thread. but maybe I'll come back later and add some detail.

Posting two horrible sources, including that embarrassing link full of dubious facts? Ok

 

[freethought]

I've done better than you have, by a country mile, in this thread. but maybe I'll come back later and add some detail.

Heh

too long to paste here, but a fascinating article about the true purpose, and historical archaeology, can be found here:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/inside-the-great-pyramid-75164298/

Did you read this article? It's not even really about the pyramid and certainly makes no claims to an 'actual use'. It largely concerns itself with the flawed interpretation by egyptologists of 10th and 11th century Muslim scholars accounts of the opening of the tomb in the 9th Century. Rather than shed any light, the articles point is that some assumptions made by Egyptologists about the opening of the tomb are based in a poor understanding of the Muslim texts they gleaned that information from. Like all good history or science it makes no assumptions and simply presents the evidence as it appears. That you read this article and come to the conclusion that it is saying the pyramid is not a tomb is baffling.

edit: My guess is you got your information about the use of the pyramid from a far less reputable source then simply googled something along the lines of "great pyramid not a tomb" and grabbed the first reputable looking article you could find. In this case you saw a smithsonian url in the sixth result.

double edit: One pertinent quote from the article:

Few would be so bold as to suggest that, even today, we know why Khufu ordered the construction of what is by far the most elaborate system of passages and chambers concealed within any pyramid. His is the only one of the 35 such tombs constructed between 2630 and 1750 B.C. to contain tunnels and vaults well above ground level.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

The are a big pile of rocks built by slaves. I mean they are cool & all . . . but not really that impressive.

Completely wrong on both counts.

 

[Dennis]

Look at this huge fucking thing

"Honey, I am back! Aren't you happy we got the top floor?"

"Fuck, I forgot the Chinese food in the car......."

 

[elrechazado]

Heh



Did you read this article? It's not even really about the pyramid and certainly makes no claims to an 'actual use'. It largely concerns itself with the flawed interpretation by egyptologists of 10th and 11th century Muslim scholars accounts of the opening of the tomb in the 9th Century. Rather than shed any light, the articles point is that some assumptions made by Egyptologists about the opening of the tomb are based in a poor understanding of the Muslim texts they gleaned that information from. Like all good history or science it makes no assumptions and simply presents the evidence as it appears. That you read this article and come to the conclusion that it is saying the pyramid is not a tomb is baffling.

edit: My guess is you got your information about the use of the pyramid from a far less reputable source then simply googled something along the lines of "great pyramid not a tomb" and grabbed the first reputable looking article you could find. In this case you saw a smithsonian url in the sixth result.

double edit: One pertinent quote from the article:

Lol. As I was saying.....

B b b but it's the smithsonian bro!

 

[Nodnol]

Ancient architexure in general is awesome; I don't know if it's the scale, or the fact that we seem to underestimate what they were capable of. Nothing on this planet since awes me like the wonders of the world. I think a lot of that is due to the fact that we can rationalize modern engeering feats with modern techniques and understandings. You look at things like Petra, the Pyramids etc and you're left scratching your head.

On a smaller scale though, I love the detailing and style of a lot of Gothic buildings. Westminster Abbey for instance, is an amazing building to see close up. There's hundred of beautiful buildings dotted around Europe that simply can't be match by anything in the last 100 years (except maybe a few examples).

 

[Oppo]

Heh

I will answer; I just can't right now. as you said, we're all busy. if I'm wrong I'll cop to it. I care more about being actually right than winning some pissing contest. but, if you would, a little time please. on a date with my wife.

 

[Bold One]

Pretty impressive

 

[freethought]

I will answer; I just can't right now. as you said, we're all busy. if I'm wrong I'll cop to it. I care more about being actually right than winning some pissing contest. but, if you would, a little time please. on a date with my wife.

Mate don't bother. Since you're too busy to engage you're too busy to pollute this thread with bullshit which was my only issue. I don't give a fuck what you actually think.

edit: Just enjoy your date.

 

[MickeyKnox]

It's the Large Hadron Collider complex at CERN for me.
An amazing accomplishment, both in the structure itself and the knowledge we are getting from it.

This is the only valid answer at the time of this posting.

 

[freenudemacusers]

I've always believed that the majority of the work on the pyramids was done by humans, some of the aspects of how they were made just seem too preposterous to be completed without a guiding hand of some kind. a lot of theories I've read plug those holes pretty well, but we'll never truly know either way.

 

[Amir0x]

I've always believed that the majority of the work on the pyramids was done by humans, some of the aspects of how they were made just seem too preposterous to be completed without a guiding hand of some kind. a lot of theories I've read plug those holes pretty well, but we'll never truly know either way.

yes those guiding hands were called "architects" and "overseers". And yes, we do truly know.

*gasp*

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Since OP only said structures and not buildings, I'm always in continual amazement with microchips, these are things the size of your pinky that may house hundreds of millions to a few billion transistors, all screaming away at a few billion times a second for a specific purpose. That's some fancy ass shit, and arguably some of the most complex structures ever built by humans (well, by lasers and stuff designed by humans). And it all just comes from sand, basically.

its a bunch of nand gates, granted its impressive that it works ....whats impressive is the tools that are developed to make the chips, and the materials science behind it all.

 

[elrechazado]

I've always believed that the majority of the work on the pyramids was done by humans, some of the aspects of how they were made just seem too preposterous to be completed without a guiding hand of some kind. a lot of theories I've read plug those holes pretty well, but we'll never truly know either way.

Like say, an architect who is highly trained and educated, and also a creative genius? The burj khalifa and other wonders in this thread were literally built by humans, with a guiding hand - a really smart human or group of humans.

This idea that there is a need for non or extra human intervention is such garbage. Particularly in light of the actual evidence we have to the contrary. It will never stop unfortunately.

 

[Dryk]

Can the Burj Khalifa survive 3000 years with no maintenance like the pyramids did? Can it survive sandstorms, the intense sun, rain, wind, etc.?

That's why I think the Pyramids are so fucking mindblowing.

Neither of them are designed that way though, it just happens that stone and a pyramid shape are good for longevity. The construction and finishing details are impressive but the structure itself is pretty boring from an engineering perspective.

 

[Wozzly]

I think archeologist estimated that it took 10s of thousands of workers working everyday for 10 hours for 20 years. Now that means moving a stone into place every 2.5 minutes.

As for the other pyramids most were a bust like Sneferu's bent pyramid. He ultimately had three different one built until he was happy with it.

It's funny though that the only thing we have of Khufu is a 2 inch ivory statue. We know practically nothing about the rulers that built them. Pyramids went out of fashion due to their huge demands on resources and the fact that many Pharoahs simply didn't live long enough to see them completed.

 

[freenudemacusers]

yes those guiding hands were called "architects" and "overseers". And yes, we do truly know.

*gasp*

there just seems to be a lot of debate on how they were produced, plus considering the precision... also we're going off of historical record and none of us were there. it's fun to think about the possibilities.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

There are a lot of amazing churches in Europe that Impress me more. I guess the age of the Pyramids makes them so amazing but the artistry and techniques used on churches always amazes me,

 

[Amir0x]

Like say, an architect who is highly trained and educated, and also a creative genius? The burj khalifa and other wonders in this thread were literally built by humans, with a guiding hand - a really smart human or group of humans.

This idea that there is a need for non or extra human intervention is such garbage. Particularly in light of the actual evidence we have to the contrary. It will never stop unfortunately.

He outed his absurd thought process anyway in the post. Look:

]a lot of theories I've read plug those holes pretty well, but we'll never truly know either way.

For free"I believe in any nonsense that comes my way"nudemacusers, if there is any gap in our knowledge base, it is therefore something supernatural, alien, advanced heretofore unknown civilization or bigfoot. For him, instead of the natural "I don't know", he ignores all the evidence which points to a definitive answer and says "well there is a gap there, so in that gap goes aliens."

It's the common thought process of people who lack rational thought.

also we're going off of historical record and none of us were there.

hahah oh christ

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Look at this huge fucking thing

This is the begining of those crazy futuristic sci fi cities we see in movies.

 

[Oppo]

Mate don't bother. Since you're too busy to engage you're too busy to pollute this thread with bullshit which was my only issue. I don't give a fuck what you actually think.

edit: Just enjoy your date.

thanks. but it's not for you, asshole.

 

[freethought]

I honestly hate to be that guy but I remember a time on this board when such nonsense was laughed out of the thread. At one point there was a 'bullshit' OT just so they could talk about it without fear of 'evidence' or 'critical thinking'.

Also it used to be funnier. Grass was greener too.

 

[commedieu]

No, it was built by them. All the evidence required to know it was built by them is in the post; we have their transitions, we have their failures, we have the workers papyrus, we have the workers camps, we know the architect that inspired it.

You can imagine it predated Egyptians, but then it's on you to produce evidence that outweighs the mountain of evidence we have against that. So far, not looking good for the "Aliens" or "not Egyptians" argument. No, Atlantis didn't build it either.

Boy.

Im sure you were excited to get the shots in, but, I was just asking about Khufu's claim/statement. There are mountains of evidence that predate Egyptians ability to build structures with heavy stones too, with just as much precision and stone manipulation, and linked to the stars. I already said it was people earlier, so again, im sure you were happy to get all that out.

Auguste Mariette in 1858 discovered a stella which was an inventory, but there is some discussion about what exactly is meant by repairing the sphinx/giza during that time period. Or if it is about a specific time period, or a reflection back to it. It seems to still be a thing, and various people are translating or using different versions, but..

Discussions going on about the translations are varied online heres one example; http://egyptologist.org/discus/messages/14/3519.html?1033103455

Hi JD,

The Inventory Stela may be nothing more than reflecting what 26th dynasty priests believed about the 4th dynasty.

Here is the another translation from Jordan, _Riddles of the Sphinx_, p. 94:

Long live...the king of Upper and Lower Egypt, Khufu, given life...He found the House of Isis, Mistress of the Pyramid, by the side of the hollow of Hwran [the Sphinx]...and he built his pyramid beside the temple of this goddess and he built a pyramid for the King's daughter Henutsen beside this temple. The place of Hwran Horemkhet is on the south side of the House of Isis, Mistress of the Pyramid.... He restored the statue, all covered in painting, of the Guardian of the Atmosphere, who guides the winds with his gaze. He replaced the back part of the nemes head-dress which was missing with gilded stone.... The figure of this god, cut in stone, is solid and will last to eternity, keeping its face always to the east.

Was just asking if you knew anything about it, as it was a very good post.

 

[freenudemacusers]

i'm not saying the gap in explanation is owed to aliens only, it's possible there were highly advanced civilizations, such as the fabled Atlanteans, providing help. Or it could be nothing at all.

like i said, we'll never know 100%.

 

[elrechazado]

Boy.

Im sure you were excited to get the shots in, but, I was just asking about Khufu's claim/statement. There are mountains of evidence that predate Egyptians ability to build structures with heavy stones too, with just as much precision and stone manipulation, and linked to the stars. I already said it was people earlier, so again, im sure you were happy to get all that out.

Auguste Mariette in 1858 discovered a stella which was an inventory, but there is some discussion about what exactly is meant by repairing the sphinx/giza during that time period. Or if it is about a specific time period, or a reflection back to it. It seems to still be a thing, and various people are translating or using different versions, but..

Discussions going on about the translations are varied online heres one example; http://egyptologist.org/discus/messages/14/3519.html?1033103455




Was just asking if you knew anything about it, as it was a very good post.

Your last post literally posited globe spanning megalith builders dude.

i'm not saying the gap in explanation is owed to aliens only, it's possible there were highly advanced civilizations, such as the fabled Atlanteans, providing help. Or it could be nothing at all.

like i said, we'll never know 100%.

Yes, anything is possible. We might live in the matrix. It might have been amazons from Venus. It might have been a race of highly intelligent panda people. We will never know.

 

[freethought]

Your last post literally posited globe spanning megalith builders dude.

Yes, anything is possible. We might live in the matrix. It might have been amazons from Venus. It might have been a race of highly intelligent panda people. We will never know.

Yes, yes we all know about the hyper intelligent panda people but where do the reverse vampires figure in to all of this?

edit: Wait, you were talking about the Chinese weren't you?

 

[kess]

Destroyed? Where are the foundations of this largest destroyed pyramid?

Amir0x clarified my post, but the ruins are still there. It was built on a small hill to appear more imposing.

 

[DECK'ARD]

i'm not saying the gap in explanation is owed to aliens only, it's possible there were highly advanced civilizations, such as the fabled Atlanteans, providing help. Or it could be nothing at all.

like i said, we'll never know 100%.

Is GAF's Atlantean expert around? Maybe he could shed some light on it.

Might have been mentioned in those scrolls.

 

[elrechazado]

Amir0x clarified my post, but the ruins are still there.

Cool, thanks

 

[elrechazado]

Yes, yes we all know about the hyper intelligent panda people but where do the reverse vampires figure in to all of this?

edit: Wait, you were talking about the Chinese weren't you?

Reverse Chinese vampires, in conjunction with the rand corporation, yes.

 

[freethought]

^^^Presumably the Pyramid was constructed as some sort of laser array to either destroy the Venutian moonbase or possibly intercept a battle fleet from Orion. We'll never truly know.

Amir0x clarified my post, but the ruins are still there. It was built on a small hill to appear more imposing.

The Romans could be real dicks sometimes.

 

[Amir0x]

Boy.

Im sure you were excited to get the shots in, but, I was just asking about Khufu's claim/statement. There are mountains of evidence that predate Egyptians ability to build structures with heavy stones too, with just as much precision and stone manipulation, and linked to the stars. I already said it was people earlier, so again, im sure you were happy to get all that out.

Auguste Mariette in 1858 discovered a stella which was an inventory, but there is some discussion about what exactly is meant by repairing the sphinx/giza during that time period. Or if it is about a specific time period, or a reflection back to it. It seems to still be a thing, and various people are translating or using different versions, but..

Discussions going on about the translations are varied online heres one example; http://egyptologist.org/discus/messages/14/3519.html?1033103455




Was just asking if you knew anything about it, as it was a very good post.

It's not a "shot" to definitive put an end to any thought about nonsense theories we have no evidence for. If you believe you have an alternative theory, you must present the evidence.

This is your post:

It was built, but probably not built by the egyptians. Thats my personal opinion. It was probably repaired by them. The interior design/architecture is unique to that pyramid, and its lacking any information on smooth walls. I have to imagine thats the intention. Whoever built it, wasn't into labeling it. I'd wager whomever is responsible for the worldwide megalithic structures, built that bad boy & the sphinx.

This is a HUGE alternative theory in which if you wish to push it around as plausible, you need to present evidence which is equally as huge.

The evidence we have, which is legion, points to a very specific order of events.

It started with Egyptian Mastaba, then one day an architect - almost certainly Imhotep - came up with the idea to stack a series of ever smaller Mastaba's on top one another, leading to the step pyramid. Then a series of progress missteps and failures - from collapsed Pyramids to the Bent Pyramid - led eventually to the final Pyramid we have.

There is no "we had a pyramid already built and we repaired it" in this process. We have papyrus from the workers that helped build the Pyramid. We know where they worked, ate and lived. We can carbondate the work, so that we know the entire structure was built within a time frame we can pinpoint precisely. If it existed before, the carbondating with bare that out - it does not.

 

[Jonnax]

its a bunch of nand gates, granted its impressive that it works ....whats impressive is the tools that are developed to make the chips, and the materials science behind it all.

lol. Saying a microchip is just a bunch of NAND gates is the same as saying that a building is just a bunch of bricks.

 

[freethought]

It's not a "shot" to definitive put an end to any thought about nonsense theories we have no evidence for. If you believe you have an alternative theory, you must present the evidence.

This is your post:



This is a HUGE alternative theory in which if you wish to push it around as plausible, you need to present evidence which is equally as huge.

The evidence we have, which is legion, points to a very specific order of events.

It started with Egyptian Mastaba, then one day an architect - almost certainly Imhotep - came up with the idea to stack a series of ever smaller Mastaba's on top one another, leading to the step pyramid. Then a series of progress missteps and failures - from collapsed Pyramids to the Bent Pyramid - led eventually to the final Pyramid we have.

There is no "we had a pyramid already built and we repaired it" in this process. We have papyrus from the workers that helped build the Pyramid. We know where they worked, ate and lived. We can carbondate the work, so that we know the entire structure was built within a time frame we can pinpoint precisely. If it existed before, the carbondating with bare that out - it does not.

This sounds interesting:

Wow, well even advanced alien/Atlantean technology messes up now and again.

It has been suggested that due to the steepness of the original angle of inclination the structure may have begun to show signs of instability during construction, forcing the builders to adopt a shallower angle to avert the structure's collapse... This fact... contradicts the theory that at the initial angle the construction would take too long because Sneferu's death was nearing

Heh, I love that old theory. "Quick he's dying, get the bugger finished". Ah well, sometimes the truth isn't stranger than fiction.

 

[SniperHunter]

History of this is more impressive than anything. Absolutely incredible.

people who built the taj mahal had their hands cut off (to diminish the chances of a replication)

a sad history

 

[Darker]

 

[LookAtMeGo]

It looks to me like the same people built these.

Peru and Egypt are on different continents, I'd say that some pretty good evidence of an ancient globe trotting, megalithic building people. There are other places like Bolivia that have very similar architecture.

Is it coincidental they all had this amazing ability to build stuff like that? Or was it the same people that built them? Or was the source of the knowledge all the same? Could that source be a forgotten civilization? I dunno but its fascinating.

 

[commedieu]

It's not a "shot" to definitive put an end to any thought about nonsense theories we have no evidence for. If you believe you have an alternative theory, you must present the evidence.

This is your post:



This is a HUGE alternative theory in which if you wish to push it around as plausible, you need to present evidence which as equally as huge.

The evidence we have, which is legion, points to a very specific order of events.

It started with Egyptian Mastaba, then one day an architect - almost certainly Imhotep - came up with the idea to stack a series of ever smaller Mastaba's on top one another, leading to the step pyramid. Then a series of progress missteps and failures - from collapsed Pyramids to the Bent Pyramid - led eventually to the final Pyramid we have.

There is no "we had a pyramid already build and we repaired it" in this process. We have papyrus from the workers that helped build the Pyramid. We know where they worked, ate and lived. We can carbondate the work, so that we know the entire structure was built within a time frame we can pinpoint precisely. If it existed before, the carbondating with bare that out - it does not.

Well, if you don't buy the Khufu translation(s). Thats one thing, but I asked you about it. So, its not like im just coming at you with my opinion, out of no where.

I do believe that these records are accurate, I just feel like they are accurate about the 27 years it took to repair, not create the great pyramid. These records don't show the inception of the Giza pyramid.. or even the bent one (Which Khufu's father allegedly created). You offer journals about working on the outside of it. On the outer casing.

which is why i asked about it.

 

[Wozzly]

It looks to me like the same people built these.


Peru and Egypt are on different continents, I'd say that some pretty good evidence of an ancient globe trotting, megalithic building people. There are other places like Bolivia that have very similar architecture.

Is it coincidental they all had this amazing ability to build stuff like that? Or was it the same people that built them? Or was the source of the knowledge all the same? Could that source be a forgotten civilization? I dunno but its fascinating.

My theory is that they just simply figured out how to stack things similarly. There's only so many ways they could build things. The pyramid of both cultures for example, the builders figured out the way to build tall structures is to have a big base and build up from there like steps. The Egyptians went further and smoothed it out and polished it.

 

[Minus_Me]

Fun fact: This was built by North Koreans.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

The best view of they pyramids?

From the combination Pizza Hut/KFC across the street.

Spoiler

No it's not

Also, they smell like pee.

Well, at least the Red Pyramid does, which isn't at Giza, but down the road a bit at Dahshur with the Bent Pyramid.

 

[kess]

The Romans could be real dicks sometimes.

The Romans aside, a half-ruined pyramid must been an alluring target for nice, finished, cheap stone back in the day. Some guy was using the Cairn of Barnenez (which is considered one of the the oldest buildings in Europe) as a stone quarry as recently as the 1950s!

 

[LookAtMeGo]

My theory is that they just simply figured out how to stack things similarly. There's only so many ways they could build things. The pyramid of both cultures for example, the builders figured out the way to build tall structures is to have a big base and build up from there like steps. The Egyptians went further and smoothed it out and polished it.

I think that its pretty unlikely that they learned that skill independently. The skill it takes to cut and place stones like that and how that specific way of stacking huge ones with the little ones is what makes those structures earthquake proof is unreal. Thats not a random placement of rock since the exact pattern is used in both places. It is also repeated throughout each structure.

Here is another example

egypt

Peru

Look at the corners!!

 

[elrechazado]

It looks to me like the same people built these.

Peru and Egypt are on different continents, I'd say that some pretty good evidence of an ancient globe trotting, megalithic building people. There are other places like Bolivia that have very similar architecture.

Is it coincidental they all had this amazing ability to build stuff like that? Or was it the same people that built them? Or was the source of the knowledge all the same? Could that source be a forgotten civilization? I dunno but its fascinating.

Multiple cultures created bricks too. What do similarities in using stone as a medium tell us about globe trotting ancients? Nothing. There is nothing surprising about the fact that cultures used stones as a building medium. That physics and geometry are universal. That pyramid type shapes or block stacking are universal building techniques based upon those universal scientific concepts. The evidence for a globe spanning super civilization would not manifest in building with stones, but with art and language. Find some Mayan pictographs in Egypt, or Olmec stelae in china and you might begin to make a point.

Stacked and constructed block construction is not evidence of any scientific anti evidenced theories.

 

[elrechazado]

I think that its pretty unlikely that they learned that skill independently. The skill it takes to cut and place stones like that and how that specific way of stacking huge ones with the little ones is what makes those structures earthquake proof is unreal. Thats not a random placement of rock since the exact pattern is used in both places.

They used diorite and other harder than granite pounding stones, literally smashing rocks against rock. They refined these techniques over thousands of years. Similarities are not proof of theories beyond all evidence.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Peru and Egypt are on different continents, I'd say that some pretty good evidence of an ancient globe trotting, megalithic building people. There are other places like Bolivia that have very similar architecture.

Is it coincidental they all had this amazing ability to build stuff like that? Or was it the same people that built them? Or was the source of the knowledge all the same? Could that source be a forgotten civilization? I dunno but its fascinating.

It's coincidental.

Humans are pretty smart.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I think it's safe to discount theories that come from that Inca/Egyptian picture site:

http://www.richardcassaro.com

 

[subrock]

I'm going to say the Large Hadron Collider is more impressive in terms of the pure engineering required to build it.

 

[freethought]

^^^^And a nuke is more impressive than a trebuchet. Little solace to the person crushed to death by a giant rock.

The Romans aside, a half-ruined pyramid must been an alluring target for nice, finished, cheap stone back in the day. Some guy was using the Cairn of Barnenez (which is considered one of the the oldest buildings in Europe) as a stone quarry as recently as the 1950s!

Yeah, nowhere near as impressive a structure but the Roman Emperor Hadrian built a wall across Britain to keep the damn Scots out (not even the Romans were that crazy) and the thing was scavenged for building materials for nigh on two thousand years before someone thought to try and preserve it. Now all that's left is this:

I doubt even when complete it ever compared to anything posted in here, but that thing would barely slow down a glaswegian smackhead let alone a horde of angry celts.

In the interests of historical accuracy, the actual purpose of the wall is disputed and another wall was built further North not long after.

edit: also Hadrian did not personally construct the wall.