davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
curses are so last gen
next gen is "looming threat of cell phones"
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Third and Fourth Console Curse
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this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
I don't believe in superstitious things like these curses.
I think if you have good software, combined with good hardware, a good plan of where you want to go, with good policies, your console will entice the hearts of many.
If you push something someone doesn't want, you're only putting yourself at a disadvantage, and alienating a fanbase.
Sony welcomes you to the new gaming era of PWNSOME.
I think if you have good software, combined with good hardware, a good plan of where you want to go, with good policies, your console will entice the hearts of many.
If you push something someone doesn't want, you're only putting yourself at a disadvantage, and alienating a fanbase.
Sony welcomes you to the new gaming era of PWNSOME.
I've been hesitant to give the NA market to Sony simply because of the maturity of XBOX Live. Live is a very established community and those connections are real. However, I vastly underestimated Microsoft's ability to alienate that community.
Launch window exclusives may not be the stellar lineup we wanted. They rarely are. The rhetoric from Sony corporate seems to promote financial success through good relationships with developers and gamers. That's how you lift a curse.
Launch window exclusives may not be the stellar lineup we wanted. They rarely are. The rhetoric from Sony corporate seems to promote financial success through good relationships with developers and gamers. That's how you lift a curse.
My money is on CLOUD (services) vs Local Hardware (Oculus Rift and unknown friends.)
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Nope. It's all about third console arrogance. Far more than a curse because you do it to yourself and no one else.
As much as it seems like it right now you can't add that one in there. It isn't a third console.
The Dreamcast probably would've if they had been a bit more forward thinking and had deeper pockets. As Sony seems to be doing both AND is coming off a successful enough system they probably will shatter it. Though I imagine if Microsoft were a lot smarter here it really could've been their GC instead.
EDIT: In general the fourth console seems to be when they learn from the mistakes of the third and rectify them: Dreamcast was easy to develop for, very cheap, and marketed well so it gained traction in the US again, GC went to optical media as solid state was no longer practical for home consoles and was ALSO much easier to develop for, and Sony went with an easy to develop for, cheaper console, and technically already are marketing it way better. Makes Nintendo kind of look like the anomaly here, but even the N64 wasn't FULLY the product of hubris, part of it was just bad timing given that apparently CDs WERE considered, but RAM prices weren't favorable so they stuck with less even though they ended up being just fine apparently by the time the system was ready to produce.
Lost a lot of third party support, lost the top spot completely. It's basically the origin of the "you buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo games!" mentality, because not only was the third party support lacking but their titles were among the finest and best remembered of the generation... even if most 3rd party games were rubbish.
Lost nearly all of 3rd party support and completely obliterated by a competitor? Nintendo consoles sold the most for 2 generations straight and then boom, N64
S1 1:3.Immaculate
Banned
The console curses are about marketplace success, not whether YOU like them or not. Otherwise I'd be saying it's completely untrue and the Saturn/PS3 are amazing consoles I enjoyed a lot. Doesn't mean the Saturn didn't fuck up completely in the US and the PS3 didn't get off to a terrible start.
Good because I fucking hate sim racers so matter how pretty they are.
Hesemonni
Banned
Well it kinda goes in cycles of three in Nintendo's case. Not really 3rd console curse as such.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Edit: Misread, but whatever... I thought it was about a third console maker, not third console cycle for each maker. Whatever. Here's my original post anyway...
This is the longest amount of time in forever where there have been 3 console makers succeeding at once. In the mid-'80s to mid-'90s it was basically Nintendo vs. Sega. All other newcomers died off quickly and painfully. Then from the mid-'90s to the early 2000's it was Nintendo and Sony. Sega was killed off during that generation. Now we have Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo and all three sell boatloads of consoles. The third console curse is pretty much gone. Unless somehow Microsoft keeps digging a hole, I'm sure it'll remain a three console race for the foreseeable future. One of them would have to lose a heck of a lot of customers and money to even consider dropping out. There are more gamers now than there were in the '80s and '90s. More than enough for all three. Plus many people own more than one console.
Even if the Wii U is selling low now, they do have a lot of big titles coming. Even if it's not until the end of the year or next, they're coming. And they'll sell.
This is the longest amount of time in forever where there have been 3 console makers succeeding at once. In the mid-'80s to mid-'90s it was basically Nintendo vs. Sega. All other newcomers died off quickly and painfully. Then from the mid-'90s to the early 2000's it was Nintendo and Sony. Sega was killed off during that generation. Now we have Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo and all three sell boatloads of consoles. The third console curse is pretty much gone. Unless somehow Microsoft keeps digging a hole, I'm sure it'll remain a three console race for the foreseeable future. One of them would have to lose a heck of a lot of customers and money to even consider dropping out. There are more gamers now than there were in the '80s and '90s. More than enough for all three. Plus many people own more than one console.
Even if the Wii U is selling low now, they do have a lot of big titles coming. Even if it's not until the end of the year or next, they're coming. And they'll sell.
The N64 was also outsold by the Saturn in Japan. It was pretty dismal for Nintendo.Lost nearly all of 3rd party support and completely obliterated by a competitor? Nintendo consoles sold the most for 2 generations straight and then boom, N64
I'll just post what I posted the last time someone was claiming there is a 3rd console curse
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61390749&postcount=1390
The Incarnation
Member
Not really seeing where the PS3 has failed. Dodgy start mind, but it is at least as successful as the 360.
Dorimukyasuto
Member
Everyone forgets about the SG-1000. Genesis was Sega 's 3rd NOT Saturn.
As noted it did worse than PS1 and PS2, and for that purpose it fits: if we look only at US released consoles Sega rose to be relevant next to Nintendo (and still faltered) only to fall to a distant global third place, and the N64 did well globally but not anywhere near Sony's level. So, yeah, a lot of it has to do with relativity, as otherwise I THINK the PS3 outsold the NES and SNES anyway.
I don't think I'd count something you can't even stick other media into. Otherwise we branch off into Game & Watch and that Duck Hunt project thing.& the Nintendo Color TV Game
I wish 'console curse' wasn't used to describe a downturn for a company. When you think of curse, you think of misfortune and something that attaches itself to the victim.
When it comes to console manufacturer's, the term curse misses the mark as its normally self-inflicted. All because some twat in a suit has a brain fart every couple of generations.
In Nintendo's case, they thought an underpowered gimmick would see then through again.
In Microsofts case. Its a brain fart with a follow through and a total failure in arse muscles to jam the tide.
Sony seem to be the only ones not suffering, as the PS4 is the air freshner to their brain fart the PS3
When it comes to console manufacturer's, the term curse misses the mark as its normally self-inflicted. All because some twat in a suit has a brain fart every couple of generations.
In Nintendo's case, they thought an underpowered gimmick would see then through again.
In Microsofts case. Its a brain fart with a follow through and a total failure in arse muscles to jam the tide.
Sony seem to be the only ones not suffering, as the PS4 is the air freshner to their brain fart the PS3
Nightstick11
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Nocturno999
Member
Sorry TC but I hate the term "Third Console Curse". It's just superstition and "the curse" it's nothing but a bunch of bad decisions made. The PS3 may even reach Wii sales in their lifetime when all's said and done.
Well, this is half true: curse is convenient shorthand for a pattern commonly observed, and as I stated I suspect it's really more a rise followed by either hubris or at least a notion you can keep doing the same thing (or just do ANYTHING) and still have the same success. In the case of Nintendo it seems usually "stick with what we do" blowing up in their faces as cartridges undermined the N64 and "quirky gimmick with underpowered console" worked amazing for Wii but not Wii U. Meanwhile Sony and Microsoft seem to have operated under the mentality of "we can do whatever the fuck we want now," and it blew up in Sony's face and has to some extent in Microsoft's, we won't know HOW deeply until the systems have been out a few months.
As for "two losers"... that only really applies if we go by strictly "who sold the most consoles?" when in reality it could go by many metrics and thus only a few consoles were out and out losers: did they mainly lose money that generation? Did they have large marketshare? Did they have larger MIND share? I think only consoles like the Jaguar and to lesser extent Saturn and Dreamcast really count as losers, as Jaguar gained no traction and was Atari's pitiful swan song, while the Saturn and Dreamcast did OK, but not enough to stay relevant or at least not fast enough. And this gen REALLY throws the whole idea for a loop: Nintendo's won the market share angle, but Microsoft is possibly now third place for console sales yet has the greatest MINDSHARE it seems and the healthiest software sales, and the PS3's kind of in the middle there in all regards (but closer to 360 by far.)
True, Microsoft forced themselves in, they definitely wouldn't be around still if they didn't have the resources, and they may yet have fallen out anyway if they didn't have the keen sense to understand the industry ENOUGH to carve out a stable niche to grow from. If they had no sense there and just went "We made a console, play it" it probably would've been the Kin.
CouchMaster
Member
Nintendo on their second 3rd console curse lol
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Ever heard of Nintendo 64DD? Now you have and you can never forget it no matter how much Nintendo wants you to forget it. That list of proposed games is a mindfuck.
Thats probably the reason why the Xbox One is designed the way it is with all the shit policies. Its done to turn as much profit as they can squeeze from it to appease the shareholders.
Lets face it, the xbox brand has never been a favourite child from the MS family with the shareholders. Its quite well known that after the RROD fiasco, they were told to return money to the shareholders or else.
Thats why I think if MS gets off to a sluggish start and doesn't recover fast, it will be cast aside. MS shareholders are not known for mercy
Uhm... forgot about Battlefield 4?
And honestly, even without the shareholder angle it's kind of what makes sense period. It's not a vital part of their business, their plan was to force themselves in yet they only got a tepid return, if they can't actually follow through on their stated goals getting in the console business then WHY stick around?
Though come to think of it, someone probably said this before in some corner of the internet, but what if instead MICROSOFT went third party? They still have some valuable game IPs, or at least they have Halo, and they can probably continue to milk that on Sony/Nintendo platforms along with Forza, maybe Fable, and some other junk.
I still mourn the loss of Digital Horse Racing Newspaper.
Confirmation bias. Can't decide that the console that Sega dies on is suddenly the curse when they had failures before. You could say the PS3 was the failure of this generation, and yet sales wise they are really close. I mean the Gamecube did fairly poorly, but so did the N64 compared to the NES and SNES. Espanding it to third and fourth consoles as the curse just gives you a greater degree of being right, because obviously no one can stay in first forever.
crimzonflame
Member
Is the Gamecube considered a failure?
SlipperyFishes
Banned
It's less a third console curse and more a third console hubris scenario.
If anything, Nintendo avoided the "third console curse".
Jondoyle123
Neo Member
I wouldn't call ps3 77 million sold
Uncharted, last of us etc
A cursed console either
Napalm_Frank
Member
The curse is real.
But seriously I actually think there might be a correlation in the way that 1st=building the foundation, 2nd=cultivating the brand/becoming a success and 3rd=arrogance, downfall.
But seriously I actually think there might be a correlation in the way that 1st=building the foundation, 2nd=cultivating the brand/becoming a success and 3rd=arrogance, downfall.
CouchMaster
Member
You can say Ninty was arrogant coming off NES/SNES and Wii, you can say Sony was arrogant coming off PS1/PS2. What's Microsoft's success story? kinect?
7 days....
Where are those charts comparing profit and market share when you need them.
[edit]I think with profit MS is doing even worse though.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Wait...are there some people in this thread who seriously believe that people are using "Curse" in the literal every day "magical" sense?
Da fuq?!
Da fuq?!
Jondoyle123
Neo Member
It's concerning isn't it
paradise_circus
Member
I'm not sure if the console market is still big enough for that.
Erm Gamecube?
Since when was that a resounding success? It got trample by PS2 and Xbox.
More Kinect's have been sold than Gamecubes.