Halo 5's campaign?
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Halo 5's campaign?
Jawmuncher
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I feel like the campaign for 5 was better than 4 but thats neither here nor there.
But I do feel like Titanfall 2 has a lot in common with Halo 4 MP. That MP wasn't bad per se but changed so much of what the game was based around that players who were big fans of the older games fell off, while newer fans enjoyed it and then moved on like they usually do.
If a Titanfall 3 is made. I fully expect it to be the combination of 1 & 2 that can please the most amount of people. Much like what Halo 5 did with its MP.
They assumed people drifted off the content there was out of frustration at not being able to do well in it. Next logical step: dumb it down further. This is AAA development 101, don't know why people are acting so surpried.
#sorrynotsorry
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Yup. Not without a major delay. And even then it still won't match TF1.
Did 1 mission and stopped, so can't comment lol.
Halo 4 had a MASSIVE drop in players and damaged the franchise extensively. For the longest time, people didn't even believe that Halo 5 played so well. I see no reason for Respawn to make the same mistake - they are all seasoned devs with years of experience.
Yet here we are.
Still hoping for a full write-up from the MP team about what they learned.
thepenguin55
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While I was generally more positive than most on the beta, but considering the speed was one of the defining things about the first game the fact that they would slow it down despite getting zero fan feedback stating that they needed to do such is really weird. I feel like Titanfall 1 ushered in the return of the fast paced FPS. Titanfall 1 is about as fast as a console FPS can get.
I wonder if there's a way they could split the difference with the movement? Make the run speed faster but make the jumps slower and floaty so you could still easily shoot people out of the air.
I wonder if there's a way they could split the difference with the movement? Make the run speed faster but make the jumps slower and floaty so you could still easily shoot people out of the air.
Design decisions that lead to a less fun experience definitely should not review well no matter how well executed they are.
BattleMonkey
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If they did some tweaks to the core mechanics the game would have potential.
But how they are approaching map design.... yea there is little hope here.
The swiss cheese maps were the best part of Titanfall, there was so much freedom of movement and stuff like lanes and chokepoints did not exist. You could attack and move from any angle, complete fast freedom.
But how they are approaching map design.... yea there is little hope here.
The swiss cheese maps were the best part of Titanfall, there was so much freedom of movement and stuff like lanes and chokepoints did not exist. You could attack and move from any angle, complete fast freedom.
Jawmuncher
Member
Yeah not saying it's the best course, but it's what I feel is most likely gonna happen with this.
Ban Puncher
Member
Respawn - "Here's the open beta for Titanfall 2. Play it and tell us what you think!"
Players - "It feels a little slow compared to the first game. Maybe speed it up?"
Respawn - "Nope."
Players - "It feels a little slow compared to the first game. Maybe speed it up?"
Respawn - "Nope."
Wait, that actually happened? LMAO
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Glad I'm not the only person that was puzzled by that. Thank god.
Meant to comment on this yesterday but did not have time. I am not buying this argument because this very same principals/concepts are present in most, if not all, R1s maps. For example, Lagoon has three well defined paths left, middle (tunnel) and right. Same with Boneyard, Training Grounds. I am not sure how the new maps are any different besides seeming to funnel the action down a specific path, at least for Bounty Hunt.
The Jackdog
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i always thought R1 was like it was to create predictable traffic that could be upended by the verticality. Like "titan can go this way, pilot can too, but pilot can jump between lanes 1-2-3 by using wall running and verticality"
Mr Friend29
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Respawn is full of ex-Infinity Ward guys yeah? I'm not suprised........
Look at the state MW2 launched in (and is still in). Its an unbalanced, broken and glitchy mess. Not to mention how they completely turned their back on the PC community after being such saints when CoD4 came out with the free DLC in patches/full mod support/dedicated servers/etc.
Something happened to this team during the development of MW2 and they have been out to fuck over their community ever since. This all reminds me more and more of MW2 the more I think of it.
And to think I was telling my friends right after we dropped TF1 a few months after it came out that TF2 was the game to be on the look out for. Since all they needed to add was more content, nothing else. What a shame.
Look at the state MW2 launched in (and is still in). Its an unbalanced, broken and glitchy mess. Not to mention how they completely turned their back on the PC community after being such saints when CoD4 came out with the free DLC in patches/full mod support/dedicated servers/etc.
Something happened to this team during the development of MW2 and they have been out to fuck over their community ever since. This all reminds me more and more of MW2 the more I think of it.
And to think I was telling my friends right after we dropped TF1 a few months after it came out that TF2 was the game to be on the look out for. Since all they needed to add was more content, nothing else. What a shame.
Broadbandito
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FLUXCapacitor
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This was my most anticipated game this year. After putting in countless hours in TF1 I was so hyped for this game. It was truly a unique multiplayer experience that stood out from the rest. Sadly I just don't see myself buying it now...the changes made are too drastic and not the direction i wanted the game to go in.
MW2 was fucking amazing! Such a fun and crazy game. Played that game so, so much. Every playstyle was valid.
Amazing experience.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
They tried for a more hardcore game when they had the backer of the console owner and were exclusive, now that they could target a wide audience and. Or a hardcore console launch one papa EA or Respawn themselves mandated to make the game more accessible thus watering it down like it happens times and times again...
You do realize the fastest players in Titanfall 1 bounced off walls and then bhopped on pavement right? Or no you don't realize that
What layer of complexity ? Not sure if you are on PC or not but Bhopping on the console was much harder than this slide mechanic. Bhopping properly that is, where you have to strafe jump so your gun does not bop when you hit the ground.
This is a much easier mechanic to pull off
The wall running is an issue. Won't disagree there. Lots of people pointed this out over on the subbreddit, my guess is they change it. I could be wrong but i think they change it.
The thing is, slide-hopping may be more forgiving in terms or input timing, but it's far less intuitive and actually requires MORE button inputs. So I can't see MORE people finding out and using it than were using a Bhopping in TF.
Now when I refer to Bhoping I'm simply referring to using it to chain wall runs when covering gaps. EVERYONE did that in TF1.
The Technique became more involved when you were trying to strafe around corners and maintain speed on the ground- only advanced players did that. and that fine, because less advanced players were getting around just fine running on the walls of well designed maps.
These advanced bhop-like ARE made easier by practicing the new slide-hopping
However:
Bhopping didn't need to be replaced by slide hopping. They could have simply made the existing mechanic more forgiving if they truly wanted it have more widespread usage.
Wel, good news eh? they said they will adjust bunnyhopping (no mention on the god hops where your gun doesn't bop) and they will increase air and wall speed.
Are we done here with this issue now? So now not only do you have wall acceleration, we have bhops being better, AND slide hops introduced into the mix.
Lets marvel for a second.
I am just talking about map design. It's just a bad map.
Jawmuncher
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But where are the bots that aren't stuck to bounty hunt mode?
Do you have stock in this game or something?
I'm trying out the Training for the first time, so I get to feel if this game really has issues like I think it does. I hope for the best.
edit: what is up with the different looking configs?
-- Classic or Linear, I wonder which..
EDIT 2: Classic it is.
Question for Respawn -- Does Insane still get rid of Auto-aim?
MEGA EDIT:
OH MY FUCKING GOD I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS LIKE THIS!
The problem isn't even the speed! There is no air-control, the first jump is floaty and jumping off a wall-run seems to force you to *bounce* off or the other side.
I am hyperventilating right now. I see the DooM (with no rune) example.
Hopefully they'll be back. No point in going crazy if we don't know yet.
1. is that an attempt at a dig at me? the same people can come into multiple titanfall threads and throw out one liners but i can't passionately debate and discuss the game? ok then.
2. default is the new aim curve they came up with, classic is titanfall 1 aim curve
3. i believe insane comes with no aim assist like before
4. there is more air control in this game than the prior game. this has even been confirmed by respawn. what you are experiencing is a decrease in the wall acceleration followed by the air speed. they just announced they changed this so you can relax. Though, the controls are floatier for sure.
Yea it's great to know that Respawn had heard our (now clearly valid) feedback and now intends to actually build upon TF1's locomotion, rather than downgrade it.
Now, my lingering concerns are Attrition, and most importantly map design.
I'll reserve judgment on Titan Aquisution when we see how it works with the changes. But accumulation will immediately be better than decay.
I have little confidence that there will be TF1 style "Swiss cheese" maps, but without high expecations, it's better to pleasantly surprised than slapped by disappointment.
None of this will mean anything if the maps are better than what we've seen so far.
Is there? Because when I bounce of a wall I can hardly change direction.
I'd like them to make the game not feel like garbage, but I just confirmed for myself that it really does feel like Blops3 =( --
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIv5XamI-wg, is this guy out of bounds or something?
any chance their improvements will be ready for the next test? Because I'd rather not take their word for improvements if it's only in the final game
I mean, I'm watching montages and desperately trying to find a video that looks as nice as anything from the original, this is the best I could find? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik4uDel1xHo It's full of camping what is very much CoD gameplay. I think I'm in denial over this. I loved TF so much, it was the first FPS I ever wanted to take seriously. I played it all the way from beta to its final update, every day even.
*sigh*
I don't see how a player like yourself that is concerned about movement (which i'd take to mean you utilize movement as much as possible) would be concerned with the Titan meter.
From my experience with the game players that take advantage of all of the movement mechanics usually don't have problems destroying a majority of the population, and therefore never have a problem acquiring a titan.
As for the maps... the majority of maps that were played in tournaments, pug matches, and enjoyed by a lot of the hardcore community were the straight foward maps. The whole "swiss cheese" comment i'm a bit lost on. Which maps are exactly being talked about? What are your favorite maps in the game?
Yes, the control is there. I know exactly how you feel, it feels strange but the main reasons your bugging out about the movement have been changed or will be by this weekend (they're trying to make the changes for the second weekend)
The gunplay is so much better in this game than the original i think. With the proper changes the game will be better than the original.
RichiRamjag
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I popped it in, played for a bit, then almost cried over a video game for the first time in my life. Massive disappointment. You aren't wrong to like it, something about it just felt so off to me and I hated it completely.
I found bad company shortly after, so there was a happily ever after.
ebullientprism
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Lets not compare it to Halo 4. Its not that disastrous. Its fixable. Halo 4 cratered one of the biggest FPS franchises.
I'm concerned about the entire game... And not just my own enjoyment, but also the enjoyment of others... My friends and family that I play with, everyone. I want the game to be as good as possible. I want the PS users who will be experiencing it for the first time, to be able to understand why I loved the first one so much. The total package is what made Titan fall what it is, not a single mechanic.
I don't care about only about the most competitive players were interested in. I care that the game is simple for those who want a simple game, and deep for those who want a deep game. And everything in between.
As far as my favorite map, I'm not really sure atm. But I'm itching to play after talking so much TF, maybe I can let you know later.
I think this is exactly what Respawn is trying to achieve.
They achieved that with TF1. It just needed more content. It didn't need fundamental shifts in philosophy.
They don't achieve this buy taking away the things people liked and replacing it with things that are more fitting for other games.
I think the feedback has steered them right, hopefully it's not too late for the maps.
Its not fixable though. Like the most you can do at this point in development is tweak a few numbers.
Fundamentally, this game is locked at this point.
Look, maybe a year down the line there is a big patch like Halo 4 got that makes it much better but will anyone care?
One game doesn't "crater" a franchise. Reach and MCC are also to blame. If TF3 is anything like Halo 5 in terms of learning from mistakes they'll recover.
What are you talking about dude? Seriously, here we go with this narrative of "will anyone care?" just because people overreacted to a tech test that showed 3 modes and 2 maps. There's tons of people that liked the game. The people that had some issues with design decisions voiced their concerns and immediately got Respawn to tweak some of them. The dissenting voices are always the loudest. This is how the internet works.
And let me guess you played the original for a month or two and then never picked it back up right? Oh, look made your gamertag public... not even 50% completion on achievements, so you definitely didn't play it that long but yet have knowledgeable insight that the game is unsalvageable. Riiiight.
3rdamention
Member
I will tell Respawn what I tell all my students, "That's a good explanation, but not an excuse!"
joecanada
Member
Yeah mw2 was pretty good if you look back at some of the total ass like aw that has been out. But after cod4 it was pretty bad. That's when I really noticed the servers and net code started getting really shitty too it's been a lagfest almost since then
RichiRamjag
Member
Haha, swol ain't having it!
In my opinion, Respawn has shown they're willing to take feedback and implement it. That's already got a lot of people caring again. I want to see this new map this weekend myself.
I agree, but at the time I was pretty down about it lol. It wasn't awful, but it was an obvious step down a path that's kept me disliking CoD for years. Just played BO3 and it just doesn't feel right to me. Lagging like hell too.
Nah MW2 still blows even now to me. Worst COD game after COD3, I would take absolutely any of the newer CODs over it.
Everyone is so mad at the new financial yet the servers died so quick on the original. People stopped playing 2 weeks after the game launcher. The game had major issues with pace, map design, and the Titan mechanic itself. The new one probably sucks but SOMETHING needed to be done.
#sorrynotsorry
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No they didn't. And no the game did not have major issues with any of that. It's issue was variety. The gameplay was solid and fun.
Mobius and pet octopus
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People should stop saying they achieved everything they needed to with tf1, as if it can't be improved upon in any way. That maps were the epitome of what could be achieved in TF. It's also wrong to say TF2 is a fundamental shift in philosophy, but we'll be able to better judge that once the game hits final release.
They didn't "achieve" EVERYTHING in tf1. But in many cases, the problem is that they apparently set out to change things that were achievements, and replace them with inferior things- rather than building upon the things that worked to improve it.
Also, reading the devs comments, and playing the Test, it's clear that's there were fundamental shifts in philosophy. I'm not sure how anyone can argue otherwise.
Peoples complaints were mostly the lack of maps, modes, campaign and customization. When you read user reviews and talk to old players, it's hard to come to the conclusion that the pace, map design, or Titan mechanic contributed largely to the Games decline in population. Those were the things that were generally recieved positively.