Windom Earle
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Yes those potatoes are absolutely worth the garbage performance.
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Todd Howard says Starfield is already optimized "You might need to upgrade your PC."
GHG
Member
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Todd… you don’t have Ray tracing , lumens, and all this other crazy visual shit in your game. To boot you took a blood deal to dismiss DLSS for cash so you prayed modders will help on that.
At least it doesn’t have shader compilation stutter or one cpu core doing all the work with no GPU usage like the last 3 years have been plagued with .
It can absolutely be better optimized.
At least it doesn’t have shader compilation stutter or one cpu core doing all the work with no GPU usage like the last 3 years have been plagued with .
It can absolutely be better optimized.
Holammer
Member
Knowing how media works, the question might have been screened in advance. Nobody wants to embarrass companies that buy lots of advertising and give access, so it's not a place for ambush journalism. If they wanted to wreck him, ask why it did not launch with DLSS out of the box.
This is what happens when audience get to ask questions in person and without screening.
This is what happens when audience get to ask questions in person and without screening.
GHG
Member
At least it was worthy of the shite performance at the time considering the fact that it took at least half a decade for other games to catch up with it visually (and also in some sandbox elements, which a lot of people seem to forget). It was very much ahead of its time.
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its about object permanence along with physics, the potato is just a vessel
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The problem is with the 5800x3d. Not starfield. game runs fine on plenty of CPUs when paired with a 4090. look at how well the latest 7000 series CPUs stack up compared to the 5800x3d.
And FSR is fine in this game. People really need to stop with this DLSS worship. I actually tried it for a bit last night before it crashed and its virtually identical save for some distant dithering. At least in quality. I know FSR Performance stinks compared to dlss performance but quality is roughy on par.
darrylgorn
Member
It's incredibly liberating to have absolutely no interest in playing this game right now.
GymWolf
Member
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This game has realtime GI which is basically what lumens is.
It has better asset quality on ingame objects than 99% of the games this gen.
It is a huge next gen leap over fallout 4. It makes perfect sense why it would require next gen high end GPUs to run at 4k 60 fps.
GHG
Member
yes, a game that also ran badly on most hardware
As explained above, it broke new ground at the time, it was worth it. This game isn't breaking new ground in any way from a technological perspective.
The problem is with the 5800x3d. Not starfield. game runs fine on plenty of CPUs when paired with a 4090. look at how well the latest 7000 series CPUs stack up compared to the 5800x3d.
And FSR is fine in this game. People really need to stop with this DLSS worship. I actually tried it for a bit last night before it crashed and its virtually identical save for some distant dithering. At least in quality. I know FSR Performance stinks compared to dlss performance but quality is roughy on par.
This is literally the only game out there that the 5800x3d has struggled with, it's an anomaly.
As for FSR, it's garbage, sorry.
Elder Legend
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
At absolutely trash fidelity. There is a reason why we havent seen this in games since skyrim. no one wants to sacrifice visual fidelity to get shit like this in video games. Or you wouldve seen this.Ah yes, basic ass havok that did the same thing almost 13 years ago
We went through this earlier this year with FF16's big setpieces and titan battles. Over the last 10 years, games have shied away from physics and big setpieces in favor of fancy graphics up close. FF16 has that fidelity AND the setpieces. Starfield has the fidelity and the physics.
feynoob
Member
Its a trash and unnecessary feature.Ah yes, basic ass havok that did the same thing almost 13 years ago
tell that to nintendo, they add basic physics to zelda and its the second coming of christ.
GymWolf
Member
It's literally not a feature, 95% of games have havok since what? The past 15 years?
And it's not even something that happen naturally, people wasted days hoarding those objects in one place.
GHG
Member
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The creation engine utilises the Havok middleware:
Starfield Creation Engine 2 - what is it and how it works
With the Starfield Creation Engine 2, Bethesda are taking their games to the next level, and we've got all the info you need to know.
www.videogamer.com
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
and 100% of the games in the past 15 years do fuck all with it.
GHG
Member
It's not just used for object physics. Cloth physics, collision detection, animations, etc.
Just because not all games don't allow you to pointlessly stack hundreds of the same object in a tight space it doesn't mean it's not being used.
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GymWolf
Member
Zelda has a physics system with elements that interact with each others, way more advanced than basic havok.
And it is used for gameplay purpose, not for cute gifs.
and to get those basic physics the world is barren, low res and 30fps, thats the price.
GymWolf
Member
And that doesn't make it even a slightly bit more nextgen because in the case of starfield it is used for cute gifs at best, not sure what your point is.
If you had a cheat code to duplicate objects, 95% of games on the market would do that in the same exact way, havok is not black magic, is the simplest form of objects interaction that we had in the past 2 decades.
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GymWolf
Member
They do what they can with the hardware they have, todd can't even get close with hardware that are what? 50x times stronger?
But sure, zelda look and run like shit, i give you that, their fault for having a shitty tablet hardware in 2023.
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Wildebeest
Member
Absolutely disgusting people having fun with video game entertainment software. It shouldn't be allowed. Don't they know how the technology is reserved for only the most boring and sterile art imaginable?Ah yes, basic ass havok that did the same thing almost 13 years ago
GymWolf
Member
Your point being? I'm also having fun with the game (kinda) but that was not the point of my post nor the topic, isn't?
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Zelda uses pretty simple meshes. I think when Switch 2 comes out it'll become apparent how heavy the cost adding visual fidelity is across the board.
Not to say that the end results will be underwhelming, just that when the additional power of the new chipset is leveraged I think people will be a little surprised where the impact points will be, in the sense of where the advancement will be more and less apparent on different aspects.
Lokaum D+
Member
"We have another product for ppl that dont have a next gen PC, its called Skyrim"
This game looks worse then Cyberpunk dont even have basic RT and this thurd is talking about "uprgrading your PC ?", the Xbox consoles cant even run this shit at locked 30fps without dips here and there.
The audacity of someone that dont want to upgrade and has been using the same bronken engine for the last 20 years is insane, fuck you Todd.
This game looks worse then Cyberpunk dont even have basic RT and this thurd is talking about "uprgrading your PC ?", the Xbox consoles cant even run this shit at locked 30fps without dips here and there.
The audacity of someone that dont want to upgrade and has been using the same bronken engine for the last 20 years is insane, fuck you Todd.
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
As optimized as that ancient engine can manage, perhaps. They call it "Creation Engine 2", but it's very obvious they've really only upgraded the visuals. At its core it still has the same old limitations (no proper open world streaming etc).
killatopak
Gold Member
He really said that.
I‘m afraid of a game he thinks isn’t optimized if Starfield is as optimized as can be.
I‘m afraid of a game he thinks isn’t optimized if Starfield is as optimized as can be.
GymWolf
Member
I know exactly what you are saying.
The more simple your game look, the more easier is to make advanced physics for it, in reality trees don't break in 3 perfect parts and 90% of the silly stuff would look ridicolous in a realistic looking game, i said the same thing multiple times in multiple topics in the past.
But super realistic physics in zelda would probably break the gameplay because you expect some result when doing something, real physics would be too chaotic and unprecise for what zelda want to achieve, it is already a bitch to drive what you build in tokt because the whole system is completely physic based and most of the time it is not "fun" to drive those things unless you are precise to the millimeter with superhand when you build them.
Noita looks like shit and its physics system make zelda look like the most static game in the world (or any game really)
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Xander3116
Member
That never happened to me in my play through, but that stuff is hilarious.
GymWolf
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But this stuff only happen in their games, that's a MAJOR fuckup if you analize what happen in that video.
In other games you have crashes, visual glitches, sure maybe a character can be bugged and you can't complete the mission, but here? That's some parallel reality shit right there...
I love the comments, Barret is INEVITABLE
Of course it doesn't happen to everyone.
But this stuff only happen in their games, that's a MAJOR fuckup if you analize what happen in that video.
In other games you have crashes, visual glitches, sure maybe a character can be bugged and you can't complete the mission, but here? That's some parallel reality shit right there...
I love the comments, Barret is INEVITABLE
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worldwithpyramids
Member
lol. The worst part is that the abysmal performance makes absolutely no sense for how eye watering ugly the game is.
OverHeat
« generous god »
With the money I spend on my PC im going to cry all I want lol