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Todd Howard says Starfield is already optimized "You might need to upgrade your PC."
XesqueVara
Member
Thing here's why Raptor-Lake is ahead of Zen 4... Raptor-Lake being a wider and deeper Core feeds that Bandwith very well into its core.
Grildon Tundy
Member
Someone mightve already mentioned it, but notice Phil and Todd react at the exact same time. Likely because of the audio delay. Phil was probably reacting to the perceived audacity of the question, not Todd's response.
I don't think they did good optimization for PC, btw.
Windom Earle
Member
Show us where the 5800x3d touched you, you need to be very brave now.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
this has nothing to do with the 5800x3d. you are the only one getting triggered by me simply posting benchmarks showing this cpu get trounced by AMDs own CPUs.
i had no idea the cpu had a spouse on this board taking everything so personally.
Windom Earle
Member
You're the one displaying a full blown meltdown over several pages. What's the story behind it?
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fred420170
Member
I'm running it on a Legion 7pro w/ i9-13900HX / 4090 and getting around 40-50 w/o FSR. With FSR getting around 60-80 and then I installed the DLSS 3.5 mod and now getting well over 100 pretty much everywhere. Not sure why they didn't include the full DLSS suite in the game.. kinda dumb.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
meltdown? It's been pretty level headed responses to anyone who has replied to me so far full of benchmarks, specs and other observations. Basically what forum posts are supposed to be. If you view those posts as meltdowns then maybe a reality check should be in order. but then again, you implied i was molested by a cpu, called an industry legend Todd Howard an incompetent buffoon for essentially saying buy a next gen gpu and cpu, and have an unhealthy need to defend a silicon chip so you are probably beyond help.
winjer
Gold Member
I don't know what you mean with "wider and deeper Core feeds that Bandwith very well into its core."
But a 12900K only gains 4% going from DDR5 5200 to 7200.
Zen4 gains 13% going from the same 5200 to 7200.
13th Gen probably gains even less, because it has double the L2 cache, so it has fewer cache misses and accesses to system memory.
Starfield RAM-Skalierung wirklich so gut? Mit Ryzen 7700X und Core i9-12900K untersucht
PCGH prüft die RAM-Skalierung in Starfield. Liefert schneller Arbeitsspeicher eine höhere Performance und wenn ja, wie viel?
XesqueVara
Member
Raptor-Lake lad, Raptor-Lake is very good in games which loves Bandwith( Spider-man and Starfield the most notable ones).I don't know what you mean with "wider and deeper Core feeds that Bandwith very well into its core."
But a 12900K only gains 4% going from DDR5 5200 to 7200.
Zen4 gains 13% going from the same 5200 to 7200.
13th Gen probably gains even less, because it has double the L2 cache, so it has fewer cache misses and accesses to system memory.
Starfield RAM-Skalierung wirklich so gut? Mit Ryzen 7700X und Core i9-12900K untersucht
PCGH prüft die RAM-Skalierung in Starfield. Liefert schneller Arbeitsspeicher eine höhere Performance und wenn ja, wie viel?www.pcgameshardware.de
sendit
Member
Lol.
Cyberpunk 2077 while looking better provides much more AI/NPC dense areas and doesn’t tank the FPS like this game.
No. especially new Atlantis which isn’t that dense. But is a performance killer and probably the ugliest city in the entire game.
Cyberpunk 2077 while looking better provides much more AI/NPC dense areas and doesn’t tank the FPS like this game.
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fred420170
Member
have you been under the city yet? because it's quite massive under there..
sendit
Member
Yes, I beat the game a few days ago. And running NG+ now. Additionally, it’s loading a new area. This isn’t some massive seamless open world.
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winjer
Gold Member
Starfield doesn't scale that well with memory. Especially on 13th gen.
Spider-man has better memory scaling, but it scales more with PCIe bandwidth.
What tests have found about 13th gen memory scaling is that above 6000MT/s, the performance gains are very limited.
A similar thing for Zen4. And remember that it can also do 8000 MT/s.
But what did you mean with "wider and deeper Core feeds that Bandwith very well into its core".
YeulEmeralda
Member
Yeah let's make a game that only works well with DDR5 and a Ryzen 3D processor. Fucking genius Todd good thing you have that Microsoft check.
Dirk Benedict
Member
Yup. With AMD throwing shade on his ass. There is no excuse.
Slicker than your average
Banned
Just done the intro on a x5800 and 3070 in 1440p and the performance is appalling.
Around 35fps during that fight with the pirates and that's with the amd solution thing on. Considering how shit the game looks, this performance is terrible .
How is this acceptable?
Creation engine garbage strikes again.
Around 35fps during that fight with the pirates and that's with the amd solution thing on. Considering how shit the game looks, this performance is terrible .
How is this acceptable?
Creation engine garbage strikes again.
XesqueVara
Member
Wider and deeper Cores manages resources very well into it´s core
Raptor is a 6-wide and a deeper core than Zen 4 so that explains the advantage it has in Games over Zen 4.
PCFanboy64
Member
I think it's the first game I've swapped to the Xbox version on for hardware, seems to be doing better than my 8700k and 3060ti.
YeulEmeralda
Member
Bethesda is an Xbox studio now. They no longer focus on PC and maybe that's why Todd doesn't care about optimization.
ProgenitorCastle
Banned
Elder Legend
Banned
I am running this game at 4K max setting with over 100 fps but sure.
Grildon Tundy
Member
Even in New Atlantis? I'm assuming you have a beast of a PC.
I can get around 100fps, too, at 1400p w/DLSS mod in some areas, but it drops to sub-30 in New Atlantis with less going on than in Cyberpunk where I get a better framerate. It doesn't make sense to me that it would be so CPU bound unless it was poorly optimized.
winjer
Gold Member
It's true that RL has a wider pipeline stage than Zen4. But that does not affect how memory is accessed.
And I suppose that when you say "deeper" you mean the length of the execution pipeline. But in this case, longer is worst for IPC. It also does not affect memory bandwidth or latency.
What will affect memory is the CPU fetch stage on the execution pipeline. Of course, the front end, with the branch prediction and caches, can help to obfuscate part of the latency and bandwidth.
There is one thing that Golden Cove cores are doing better than Zen4 cores, and that is support for "same bank refresh".
This is a new feature in DDR5 that reduces the need to refresh the memory. For people who are used to do memory OC, will know of tREFI and why it matters.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
What CPU GPU combo do you have again? Thats way too low in my experience.
How deep are you in the game? i remember the ps3 0 fps bug only struck after around 40 hours when you had certain number of quests and inventory messing with the ps3's split ram architecture. I wonder if the game keeps adding shit on top and by the 50th hour, new atlantis is a mess because the cpu has to keep track of everything you have accumulated.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
"Do you guys not have pho.....4090s?" 
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
This game does not have remotely close to the visual fidelity to justify running this shitty.
I'm fortunate in that I can run it reasonably well on my 4090 and 7800X3D, but it shouldn't take those kinds of specs to be fluid. I'll try the DLSS3 mod later.
Kiya's Guard
Member
With a 3090 and an 11th gen I can barely maintain 60-70fps on ultra at 1440p. What the fuck todd
Ask adamsapple.
Destruction-1002
Member
Grildon Tundy
Member
Nvidia 3080 GPU and AMD Ryzen 5 5600X CPU. I'm using optimized settings off of Nexus, which drops the shadows to low, for instance.
It's not constant sub-30 in New Atlantis, but I'd prefer it never go that low. I just haven't heard a compelling argument from Todd Howard or otherwise as to what this game is doing that other games couldn't and why it's so CPU dependent.
Then again, I just looked up what the Xbox Series X's equivalent-ish PC CPU would be, and it's a Ryzen 7 3700X, which is actually better than the 5600X. It's starting to make more sense now.
OverHeat
« generous god »
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Indeed. Many are playing Baldur's Gate 3 while Xbox users are still waiting.The face PlayStation user make because they cant play the game
OverHeat
« generous god »
That’s why I’m playing on pcIndeed. Many are playing Baldur's Gate 3 while Xbox users are still waiting.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Like many PlayStation fans who are doing the same.That’s why I’m playing on pc
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OverHeat
« generous god »
It’s was a pun for Bo…
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
So your gpu which is 2x more powerful than the Xbox series x is able to run the game at 2x the framerate with way better settings than the xsx, and thats bad because?
It doesnt need a 4090 to be fluid. Or a 7800x3d. i am running the game on a 3 year old intel processor. on a 3 year old 3080. running at mostly 60 fps except in cities where it drops to 40s and 50s. though not a big deal since its just a hub world with no combat.
your 4090 is 3x more powerful than the xsx's 2080 equivalent and its letting you double the resolution AND the framerate. Thats 4x more pixels per frame. What more do you want?
Yeah, unfortunately that 6 core 12 thread CPU was always going to become a bottleneck on PCs the moment developers started utilizing it on consoles. Its actually roughly on par with the xsx and ps5 cpus if not more powerful because it has higher clocks and more cache despite having few cores and threads (xsx and ps5 reserve 1 core for the os), but the problem is you need to double the framerate in a cpu heavy game like this on PCs since settling for 30 fps on PCs is not an option.
good news is that if you are willing to, you should be able to upgrade your CPU without having to change your motherboard because from what I heard the 7000 series CPUs should not require a motherboard upgrade. For $300 you should have be able to afford a CPU that will not bottleneck your 3080.
try one of these 7000 series AMD CPUs, you dont have to spend $399 to get the 7800x3d to get 60 fps in atlantis or any other cities. I am running high settings at FSR Quality and get around 45-55 fps in atlantis. 45-50 fps in akila city. Same GPU as you but CPU is the 11700k which shows up at 72 fps in this benchmark here. the $300 7700x is 10 fps more than that and a whopping 26 fps more than your 5600x. the difference might be smaller at higher resolutions, but you should be at a consistent 50-60 fps in cities and a locked 60 fps during combat if you buy the 7700x with your settings.
Grildon Tundy
Member
Great info. Thank you!So your gpu which is 2x more powerful than the Xbox series x is able to run the game at 2x the framerate with way better settings than the xsx, and thats bad because?
It doesnt need a 4090 to be fluid. Or a 7800x3d. i am running the game on a 3 year old intel processor. on a 3 year old 3080. running at mostly 60 fps except in cities where it drops to 40s and 50s. though not a big deal since its just a hub world with no combat.
your 4090 is 3x more powerful than the xsx's 2080 equivalent and its letting you double the resolution AND the framerate. Thats 4x more pixels per frame. What more do you want?
Yeah, unfortunately that 6 core 12 thread CPU was always going to become a bottleneck on PCs the moment developers started utilizing it on consoles. Its actually roughly on par with the xsx and ps5 cpus if not more powerful because it has higher clocks and more cache despite having few cores and threads (xsx and ps5 reserve 1 core for the os), but the problem is you need to double the framerate in a cpu heavy game like this on PCs since settling for 30 fps on PCs is not an option.
good news is that if you are willing to, you should be able to upgrade your CPU without having to change your motherboard because from what I heard the 7000 series CPUs should not require a motherboard upgrade. For $300 you should have be able to afford a CPU that will not bottleneck your 3080.
try one of these 7000 series AMD CPUs, you dont have to spend $399 to get the 7800x3d to get 60 fps in atlantis or any other cities. I am running high settings at FSR Quality and get around 45-55 fps in atlantis. 45-50 fps in akila city. Same GPU as you but CPU is the 11700k which shows up at 72 fps in this benchmark here. the $300 7700x is 10 fps more than that and a whopping 26 fps more than your 5600x. the difference might be smaller at higher resolutions, but you should be at a consistent 50-60 fps in cities and a locked 60 fps during combat if you buy the 7700x with your settings.
artsi
Member
The game is addicting and I love it but I booted up CP2077 and sighed how it's on whole different level in both visuals and performance compared to this Bethesda's magnum opus.
I mean I can go from my apartment downtown all the way to the desert without a single loading screen and it boggles my mind how Bethesda couldn't get even one town fit inside the same cell.
I mean I can go from my apartment downtown all the way to the desert without a single loading screen and it boggles my mind how Bethesda couldn't get even one town fit inside the same cell.
StueyDuck
Member
A lot of gaslighting going on in this thread. Not sure why we are cheering on objectively bad performing PC games.
The biggest take away however from these comments from Todd is that it seems they aren't going to put any resources into making the game perform better which is very disappointing because again... the game objectively runs like horse shit.
The biggest take away however from these comments from Todd is that it seems they aren't going to put any resources into making the game perform better which is very disappointing because again... the game objectively runs like horse shit.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I have a 13900ks with 7200mhz memory. I guess that's why it's been flawless for me?