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Tokyo Manga Ban Signed Into Law(affects games as well)
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A Twisty Fluken
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Seep said:
Castor Krieg
Banned
Father_Brain said:
Yup, if what the bill is what Reuters describes:
I don't see how manga publishers can protest. Gangbang loli insemination for everyone? I don't even think most below-18 Otaku are into this, my guess is loli is popular with 30,40-something crowd.
Neuromancer
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Man that movie was crazyA Twisty Fluken said:
Literally, crazy
If someone is sick and enjoys porn (not to mention he gets his sexual kicks out of it) that contains sexual intercourse with a younger boy/girl, not to mention underaged AND family relations, well, then that somebody needs treatment.
What Japan did with this is that they basically created a market to get money from these sick minds, and not treated this as an abnormal thing. Hopefully that will change. There is nothing artistic about buying that type of porn, because obviously, they are sexual tools, and the minute somebody acts based upon these, and believes that it is okay to do it, it becomes bad. There is no need for that. Imho.
What Japan did with this is that they basically created a market to get money from these sick minds, and not treated this as an abnormal thing. Hopefully that will change. There is nothing artistic about buying that type of porn, because obviously, they are sexual tools, and the minute somebody acts based upon these, and believes that it is okay to do it, it becomes bad. There is no need for that. Imho.
petethepanda
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So wait, this is banning sexual anything? I was all for a ban that would make it possible to watch anime without a main character being a scantily-clad 14yo with her absurdly huge tits flopping around, but a ban that effects sexuality in any from is kind of silly.
Blast Processing
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How could anyone (meaning these Manga publishers) really fight this legislation and live with themselves, assuming they don't already condone deviant sexual behavior with minors?
And for fucks's sake, Japanese men, the women (those of age) in your country are pretty damned desirable. What the fuck is wrong with you?
And for fucks's sake, Japanese men, the women (those of age) in your country are pretty damned desirable. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Castor Krieg said:
No - those things are already rated R-18. Just me I know :lol Minors can't buy them. This is to prevent minors from accessing "light" materials that are not rated R-18. My guess is something like Kodomo no Jikan would be a good example. Nothing explicit, but still containing controversial topics of discussion. Currently there is no rating system in Japan for video games/manga, other than the R-18 label, which is just for explicit sex. Anything up to that line, minors have access to. That's what I understand anyways.
And yes... Sankaku is a sensationalists site. I visit for entertainment once in a while, but wouldn't take any of their articles seriously. They do it for the traffic.
badcrumble
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aHA!Wazzim said:
Here's the story from ANN:http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-15/full-tokyo-assembly-passes-youth-ordinance-bill
So what's excessively disruptive? In hindsight it doesn't seem so bad, I wasn't really familiar with Sankaku Complex's credibility.
So the Persona's in this world are safe right?
So what's excessively disruptive? In hindsight it doesn't seem so bad, I wasn't really familiar with Sankaku Complex's credibility.
So the Persona's in this world are safe right?
distantmantra
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Extollere said:
Unless you're talking about Doujin PC titles or something, CERO is the Japanese rating board for video games.
V_Arnold said:
No. That is absolutely wrong. Disagree with it if you like, and I won't defend the content either, but that is wrong. Countries with access to pornography (and/or virtual child porn), have less sex crime than countries that do not. There is also no evidence that viewing of any kind of pornography leads to criminal behavior. There is no need to restrict that materials that one wishes to view as long as they violate no one else's human rights.
Hmm. At first glance when it comes to the violence I would assume this would mean kids could be apart of violence as long as the context made sense. Yet maybe sensational over the top violence toward kid characters would be banned. Battle Royale or Gantz level of violence would be banned compared to say off screen or even just seeing a death body on the ground as a result of something exploding (minus gore). Somewhat like what happen to little Nina in Fullmetal might not fly anymore?
I'm find with freedom of expression but some artist and animation producers take things way to far at times just for "because we can" reason. Not that the story even benefits from it. Some of the hentai games are fine but even then they can be disturbing when it comes to some of the characters and options. Loli always weirds me out. Same when they show younger looking males with older women. As much as I like Please Teacher I'm glad they made an effort to remind viewers that the guy is older then he looks but even then it was kinda iffy and I'm not really that likely to recommend it to someone I know physically even though I think they handled things tastefully there.
I'm find with freedom of expression but some artist and animation producers take things way to far at times just for "because we can" reason. Not that the story even benefits from it. Some of the hentai games are fine but even then they can be disturbing when it comes to some of the characters and options. Loli always weirds me out. Same when they show younger looking males with older women. As much as I like Please Teacher I'm glad they made an effort to remind viewers that the guy is older then he looks but even then it was kinda iffy and I'm not really that likely to recommend it to someone I know physically even though I think they handled things tastefully there.
It's not that. The people who are blindly saying it is a good thing, are the same idiots who promoted shit like the Patriot Act or Shit like the current net neutrality. And the thing is, it's just that. They are Mrs Lovejoy from Simpsoms. A complete idiot being swayed by the small extrema to forfeit rights over. They aren't even reading what they are signing for. :lolRSLAEV said:
"containing material the government deems "unhealthy."
It's clearly more than just a loli ban, because it's allowing the government to dictate what material is offensive and what isn't. This is also by the same party that seems to be homophobic, probably racist, and wants to roll back liberal policies. I really don't mind a ban on loli materials(Depending on what is it), but having a small cabinet of age old men dictate what is "Socially acceptable" for youth to read doesn't sit well.
Castor Krieg
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shintoki said:
Sounds very Japanese, if their politics in the last 200-years is anything to go by.
Extollere said:
So basically you just generalized porn, and likened normal, adult porn to one where a 17-50 year old male fucks a 3-14 year old girl, or where that girl is even a relative to the boy, according to the story. Is that right?
Effect said:
What about it? Catherine, last time I checked, was an adult woman. As was our hero. And Katerina also.
Hypereides
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First step in the deterition of japanese crazy culture as we know it.
Castor Krieg
Banned
OuterWorldVoice said:
That's the thing that was present in Japan, and now they changed it - those things are not BAD if kept in the sphere of fantasy. Whatever you think, just don't act on it seemed to be the norm. That's why you had loli, incest stuff, that was the main idea behind content like that.
UntoldDreams
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This is stupid and a waste of time.
You cannot stop people drawing comics (even if its distasteful stuff) its just too subjective. Who the hell is going to draw judgments on every comic made?
"This is a robot female with antennae look! Its not a girl she has 3 eyes!"
Are they really going to pay police to check every manga and draw judgment? Or is it supposed to go to court every time?
You cannot stop people drawing comics (even if its distasteful stuff) its just too subjective. Who the hell is going to draw judgments on every comic made?
"This is a robot female with antennae look! Its not a girl she has 3 eyes!"
Are they really going to pay police to check every manga and draw judgment? Or is it supposed to go to court every time?
out0v0rder
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when the americans banned alchohol..........well you know the story.
give me my manga depression revolution!
give me my manga depression revolution!
Yukiko, Rise, and Kanji's tracts in Persona 4 could probably be considered "promoting immoral sexual activity among minors" if someone wanted to pursue it. And that's the problem with this, the language is so vague that anything that so much as implies that high schoolers have libidos could be twisted as being in violation.ymmv said:
A Twisty Fluken
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OuterWorldVoice said:
Haunted
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I'm all against limiting child pornography, virtual or real. That is some sick shit and it's good that it's illegal.
This however, is much less clear cut. I don't know what this is referring to, exactly. I would need some examples of them moving against something citing this clause.shintoki said:
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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Oddly, I think this will mean more japanese games for the west. You don't have to alter a ton of stuff for certain games and current "dirty" game makers will move into stuff that could get sent westward.
Niche gamers will rejoice in a few years. Maybe.
Niche gamers will rejoice in a few years. Maybe.
jamesinclair
Banned
shintoki said:
Exactly.
Australia started falling down the same mountain.
Now they've banned small boobs.
Seriously.
Lance Bone Path
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The bill appears to say that if you photograph this, it is okay (ignoring for a moment that other laws that say child pornography is wrong), but if you draw cartoon characters doing this, it's wrong.V_Arnold said:
JustAnotherOtaku
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My Japanese 360 collection has just increased in value tenfold. My anime collection could probably now land me in jail.
JustAnotherOtaku
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Haunted said:
Sorry, I can't speak about what goes on in My Waifu and afterhours at Dream Club.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
OuterWorldVoice said:
The first two sure, but I do enjoy a good kissing cousins romp.
out0v0rder said:
Yeah well despite everything that caused prohibition the only real reason they repealed it was because of the great depression and they needed the tax revenue and that was over a decade after the amendment was put into place. I doubt loli porn and other suggestive content is that much of a bread winner for the Japanese government no matter how many Icrecreams there are.
This is definitely a slippery slope as others have said and if its all true and completely put into affect its not going to necessarily be easy or quick to overturn this law, especially given the morality issues. Even though it seems like it will most definitely affect more than just loli porn and other suggestive content featuring children thats still gonna be the face of the bill and calling for its repeal isnt going to exactly be a stance any politician would want to take.