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[Trey]

I will personally wrestle anyone who talks shit about Tom Brady. Either repent and accept him as the greatest athlete of all time, regardless of the sport, or give me a time and place!

You're one of the good ones, man. Don't put a target on your back. We accept your Pats fanaticism, just keep it sequestered away from polite company.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Holy shit. This thread got ugly.
Anyway...

GOAT. End of discussion.

Nope. Even if you ignore the whole zero-rings-since-Spygate thing, Joe Montana still exists.

 

[Godslay]

He is the GOAT at leaving pregnant girlfriends.

 

[bob_arctor]

Tuck Rule in effect.

 

[bionic77]

He is the GOAT at leaving pregnant girlfriends.

Pretty sure that is Cromartie or AP or Dwight Howard or Bill Belichek (assuming that women who are married to another man and pregnant via Bill count right?).

And this coming from a guy who doesn't exactly love Brady!

 

[psykomyko]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming

Funniest quote in that article:

I don't want to turn this into an ode to Brady.

Uh huh sure...

 

[GalacticToast]

Nope. Even if you ignore the whole zero-rings-since-Spygate thing, Joe Montana still exists.

I'll admit I'm biased. But you have a point. It's hard to argue against Joe. Thinking about it, I'd have them both at the top. No particular order set until Brady is done playing.

 

[Godslay]

I'll admit I'm biased. But you have a point. It's hard to argue against Joe. Thinking about it, I'd have them both at the top. No particular order set until Brady is done playing.

I'd definitely have Joe on top and Brady on bottom. Just the nature of things really.

 

[Spinluck]

Tom Brady is an alltime great based on 2007 alone. I swear the destruction given to the league that year left enough salt to keep McDonald's running forever. Before 2007 people clowned him saying that he was a game manager and the like. He then proceeded to shit on every single person in the league and would have been perfect if not for 2 fluke plays that were not under his control.

Odd, I could've sworn they had plenty of chances to score that game.

Many things are out of the QBs control, but it's interesting that when things swing in their favor... they get most of the credit depending on the argument.

But when things swing in favor of the other team, he has no control over it and it's not his fault!

 

[psykomyko]

Probably one of the more idiotic arguments about Manning and playoffs, is when people bring up that he only won a Super Bowl because he played Rex Grossman. Which, of course, he didn't play against him, he played a top 3 defense and played in the worst conditions a SB has ever had.

Manning is actually the only QB in NFL history to play and beat the top 3 scoring defenses of that season in a single playoff. (Ravens were 1, Patriots were 2, Bears were 3)

But hey, why should that matter? He beat Rex Grossman....

 

[StanleyStutters]

Probably one of the more idiotic arguments about Manning and playoffs, is when people bring up that he only won a Super Bowl because he played Rex Grossman. Which, of course, he didn't play against him, he played a top 3 defense and played in the worst conditions a SB has ever had.

Manning is actually the only QB in NFL history to play and beat the top 3 scoring defenses of that season in a single playoff. (Ravens were 1, Patriots were 2, Bears were 3)

But hey, why should that matter? He beat Rex Grossman....

I agree the Grossman argument is flawed, but I think he gets flak for that year because he didn't have great numbers in the playoffs. He ended up with 3 TD and 7 INT over the four games and the defense for the Colts stepped up big time that year. It was still an impressive run, but it wasn't one of his best in terms of numbers.

 

[LyleLanley]

You're one of the good ones, man. Don't put a target on your back. We accept your Pats fanaticism, just keep it sequestered away from polite company.

I'm just doing what needs to be done.

 

[Spinluck]

Probably one of the more idiotic arguments about Manning and playoffs, is when people bring up that he only won a Super Bowl because he played Rex Grossman. Which, of course, he didn't play against him, he played a top 3 defense and played in the worst conditions a SB has ever had.

Manning is actually the only QB in NFL history to play and beat the top 3 scoring defenses of that season in a single playoff. (Ravens were 1, Patriots were 2, Bears were 3)

But hey, why should that matter? He beat Rex Grossman....

I posted about this earlier in the thread. Only one of those game we home (Pats), and that Ravens defense was fucking monstrous.

I remember Killa Ray Lewis saying Manning made one of the best throws he's ever seen that game going to Dallas Clark who was breaking off a route. That was a crazy run fueled by our defense, but yeah, Rex Grossman.

 

[StanleyStutters]

I posted about this earlier in the thread. Only one of those game we home (Pats), and that Ravens defense was fucking monstrous.

I remember Killa Ray Lewis saying Manning made one of the best throws he's ever seen that game going to Dallas Clark who was breaking off a route. That was a crazy run fueled by our defense, but yeah, Rex Grossman.

Weren't they home during the Wild Card round? Thought Indy won the division that year.

 

[Spinluck]

Weren't they home during the Wild Card round? Thought Indy won the division that year.

Yeah, I was just referring to those 3 defenses. We beat the Chiefs that year too.

All I heard before that game was how Larry Johnson was gonna run all over us... which he didn't.

 

[crimzonflame]

If you wanna talk fluke plays then Kurt Warner should have 3 rings.

 

[StanleyStutters]

Yeah, I was just referring to those 3 defenses. We beat the Chiefs that year too.

All I heard before that game was how Larry Johnson was gonna run all over us... which he didn't.

Ah, I see I misunderstood your post. I remember that KC game, Indy's defense was insane. Chiefs did nothing all game.

 

[psykomyko]

I agree the Grossman argument is flawed, but I think he gets flak for that year because he didn't have great numbers in the playoffs. He ended up with 3 TD and 7 INT over the four games and the defense for the Colts stepped up big time that year. It was still an impressive run, but it wasn't one of his best in terms of numbers.

That 3rd down pass in the Ravens game doesn't show up in those stats. The actual stats in that game look below average, but that pass was one of the best passes I have seen him ever make and it was in a crucial situation in the game.

 

[Haloid1177]

For the record, even as a Pats fan, Montana is easily still the GOAT. Not sure why we'd even debate that. Brady really does need five to dethrone him.

 

[Seanspeed]

I never doubted him for a second.

 

[LyleLanley]

For the record, even as a Pats fan, Montana is easily still the GOAT. Not sure why we'd even debate that. Brady really does need five to dethrone him.

Brady is better than Montana.

 

[entremet]

Brady is better than Montana.

Montana's NFL was way less QB friendly as today's.

However, he also had a GOAT wide receiver as well.

I'd take Montana in his prime in a hypothetical SB matchup between the two.

 

[Spinluck]

Brady is better than Montana.

At losing Superbowls, sure.

 

[Haloid1177]

The supernova still burns bright.

 

[Crud]

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[cajunator]

Who?

 

[FriedConsole]

Yeah the shit with the eligible receivers they are doing is bad sportsmanship even if legal. It will be illegal next year. Also they run illegal pick plays every time.

This will probably get locked like the other ones.

 

[Raistlin]

Nope. Even if you ignore the whole zero-rings-since-Spygate thing, Joe Montana still exists.

I don't know man ... it's hard to pretend Montana didn't massively benefit from that era's team consistency and lack of a salary cap.

Who knows what Brady would have done in that era or vice-versa. With the game being so different, it's really hard to assume a true GOAT. Let's just say Montana was the GOAT of that era, and Brady is GOAT of the modern (capped) era.

 

[Delta Assault]

Yeah the shit with the eligible receivers they are doing is bad sportsmanship even if legal. It will be illegal next year. Also they run illegal pick plays every time.

This will probably get locked like the other ones.

I didn't understand that. Are they saying that some players on the field aren't eligible to receive the football?

 

[Feep]

Yeah the shit with the eligible receivers they are doing is bad sportsmanship even if legal. It will be illegal next year. Also they run illegal pick plays every time.

This will probably get locked like the other ones.

Please. Are all trick plays "bad sportsmanship", then? "They made it look like they were going to punt, no fair!"

I'm no Patriots fan, but come on.

 

[FriedConsole]

Please. Are all trick plays "bad sportsmanship", then? "They made it look like they were going to punt, no fair!"

I'm no Patriots fan, but come on.

I don't want to watch a game where we all have to figure out who is eligible to receive a pass. It makes the game crappy to watch. Defense getting 1 second to know is eligible sucks.

 

[RELIGHT]

I'll go ahead and quote myself from a few months back.

He's a piece of shit. Fuck em.

He's a crybaby and hex bush league. He will get debacled by Seattle.

 

[TemplaerDude]

GO PATS GO BITCHES

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

They need to cash it in this year.

 

[Kacho]

Brady GOAT. Brings out the salt in so many people, which I love.

 

[Raistlin]

I'll go ahead and quote myself from a few months back.



He's a crybaby and hex bush league. He will get debacled by Seattle.

Quoting for future reference

 

[RELIGHT]

GO PATS GO BITCHES

They're going to get wrecked in the super bowl. You do NOT want Seattle. It's an awful matchup for them. It's going to be just like last year. Brady will go 3 and 3 in the big game dropping his last three. The only difference between him and Manning at this point is his failure is on a much larger scale. Can't wait.

 

[Mr.Swag]

Patriot blow out games are the most boring things ever.

 

[DarkFlow]

Rodgers, Brees, Peyton, and Luck are all clearly better.

This will become clear when Brady gets completely shut down by good defenses in the playoffs, as has become common for him now that his skills have declined.

LMAO, about all that.

 

[TemplaerDude]

They're going to get wrecked in the super bowl. You do NOT want Seattle. It's an awful matchup for them. It's going to be just like last year. Brady will go 3 and 3 in the big game dropping his last three. The only difference between him and Manning at this point is his failure is on a much larger scale. Can't wait.

Let me guess, you're an expert, right?

GO PATS GO

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

They're going to get wrecked in the super bowl. You do NOT want Seattle. It's an awful matchup for them. It's going to be just like last year. Brady will go 3 and 3 in the big game dropping his last three. The only difference between him and Manning at this point is his failure is on a much larger scale. Can't wait.

Umm, Sherman is injured and their D looked like shit.