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Tom Morello re: punching Nazis (on Bill Maher)

SenorArdilla said:
Wouldn't dressing up in Nazi memorabilia and threatening harm to others be considered fighting words and not protected speech?
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We don't know whether or not this guy with a swastika and shouting at minorities is a Nazi or not.
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Freedom of speech doesn't mean the freedom from consequences. People are demonstrating that getting punched is a consequence for being a Nazi. Exercise your right at your own risk.
 
People punching NAZIs are not as bad as the NAZIs themselves obviously but Bill does have a point although I probably agree more with Tom.
 
A Nazi isn't a Nazi because they have very specific and exciting ideas about tax reform. Their central goal is the suppression, if not outright extermination, of minority and marginalized voices.

There are few pursuits nobler than making a Nazi swallow their own fucking teeth.
 
I didn’t see any schooling and I’m totally against violence. That guy that punched him is as dumb as the guy wearing that arm band.
 
Gusto said:
I didn’t see any schooling and I’m totally against violence. That guy that punched him is as dumb as the guy wearing that arm band.
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Swap Nazis with ISIS and let's see how far these idiots would go to defend them. Any Americans willing to trumpet first amendment rights for ISIS sympathisers as they march up and down carrying flags and wearing insignia? Would Bill state that someone punching an ISIS insignia wearing sympathiser is just as bad?
 
Gusto said:
I didn’t see any schooling and I’m totally against violence. That guy that punched him is as dumb as the guy wearing that arm band.
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I agree completely. People who engage in simple assault are just as bad if not worse than the ones who want to commit genocide. Makes complete sense.
 
Gusto said:
I didn’t see any schooling and I’m totally against violence. That guy that punched him is as dumb as the guy wearing that arm band.
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Totally against violence? That is a pretty bold statement.

So you don't think genocide should be stopped if it requires violence to do so?
 
Serious question: How do people here know that people with Nazi insignia, or whatever, want to commit genocide? Like Bill Maher said, we have no idea of anything concerning the guy who was wearing that on the train. We don't know if he believed in Nazism. We don't know if he was mentally disturbed. We have no idea what views he had. Does wearing a Nazi armband thing make you automatically support genocide and therefore automatically deserving of violence? If pedophiles, murderers, torturers, and all other sorts of wonderful people are protected by laws, why is it suddenly OK to attack people for wearing something?
 
magichans said:
Serious question: How do people here know that people with Nazi insignia, or whatever, want to commit genocide? Like Bill Maher said, we have no idea of anything concerning the guy who was wearing that on the train. We don't know if he believed in Nazism. We don't know if he was mentally disturbed. We have no idea what views he had. Does wearing a Nazi armband thing make you automatically support genocide and therefore automatically deserving of violence? If pedophiles, murderers, torturers, and all other sorts of wonderful people are protected by laws, why is it suddenly OK to attack people for wearing something?
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You don’t wear a Nazi emblem unless you’re down with the ideas.

Boy took his armband off and left quietly after he woke up, think his mental was just fine.
 
magichans said:
Serious question: How do people here know that people with Nazi insignia, or whatever, want to commit genocide? Like Bill Maher said, we have no idea of anything concerning the guy who was wearing that on the train. We don't know if he believed in Nazism. We don't know if he was mentally disturbed. We have no idea what views he had. Does wearing a Nazi armband thing make you automatically support genocide and therefore automatically deserving of violence? If pedophiles, murderers, torturers, and all other sorts of wonderful people are protected by laws, why is it suddenly OK to attack people for wearing something?
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Wasn't he harassing minorities on that bus as well?

Ok cool. You guys want to let people walk around with Nazi flags and wear Nazi arm bands, fine. However, the next person who says that not standing to the US National Anthem is disrespectful to your flag and your military, gets pied in the face.
 
Nipo said:
Totally against violence? That is a pretty bold statement.

So you don't think genocide should be stopped if it requires violence to do so?
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I’m just against anyone getting physical over a shirt, flag, symbol or belief. If you don’t give them any attention, it would be like a bear shitting in a forest.
 
magichans said:
Serious question: How do people here know that people with Nazi insignia, or whatever, want to commit genocide? Like Bill Maher said, we have no idea of anything concerning the guy who was wearing that on the train. We don't know if he believed in Nazism. We don't know if he was mentally disturbed. We have no idea what views he had. Does wearing a Nazi armband thing make you automatically support genocide and therefore automatically deserving of violence? If pedophiles, murderers, torturers, and all other sorts of wonderful people are protected by laws, why is it suddenly OK to attack people for wearing something?
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Yes wearing a nazi armband means that you agree with their views. This is not hard.
 
Heshinsi said:
Wasn't he harassing minorities on that bus as well?

Ok cool. You guys want to let people walk around with Nazi flags and wear Nazi arm bands, fine. However, the next person who says that not standing to the US National Anthem is disrespectful to your flag and your military, gets pied in the face.
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Why not both? The future some people want looks a lot like the past:

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Heshinsi said:
Wasn't he harassing minorities on that bus as well?

Ok cool. You guys want to let people walk around with Nazi flags and wear Nazi arm bands, fine. However, the next person who says that not standing to the US National Anthem is disrespectful to your flag and your military, gets pied in the face.
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Yes
 
Punching nazis and making them submit via corporate firings and etc works. Giving them their speech makes them spread. The government can't silence their speech but we can.

Also that nazi instigated fights, and being a Nazi he had it coming. Talking nazi shit to POC in their face, expect the worst.
 
magichans said:
Serious question: How do people here know that people with Nazi insignia, or whatever, want to commit genocide? Like Bill Maher said, we have no idea of anything concerning the guy who was wearing that on the train. We don't know if he believed in Nazism. We don't know if he was mentally disturbed. We have no idea what views he had. Does wearing a Nazi armband thing make you automatically support genocide and therefore automatically deserving of violence? If pedophiles, murderers, torturers, and all other sorts of wonderful people are protected by laws, why is it suddenly OK to attack people for wearing something?
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Yes, because people don't know what Nazis are about. Jesus dude, unless you were in cryo-sleep for 100 years this is crap.

ssolitare said:
Punching nazis and making them submit via corporate firings and etc works. Giving them their speech makes them spread. The government can't silence their speech but we can.
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Yup.
 
B-Dubs said:
Yes, because people don't know what Nazis are about. Jesus dude, unless you were in cry-sleep for 100 years this is crap.
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Seriously. This isn't like a Dale Earnhardt Jr fan getting his car number tattooed and then being shocked to find out what it means. (which I wouldn't be surprised if has happened). Nazi symbols have been associated with hate for over half a century.
 
Nazis only have one endgoal in mind. One they made fairly fucking clear about 70 years ago. It's embarassing seeing white Americans talk about them now as of they're just a group that enjoys certain toppings on their pizza. It hasn't even been a full month since these animals attacked Charlottesville.
 
magichans said:
Serious question: How do people here know that people with Nazi insignia, or whatever, want to commit genocide? Like Bill Maher said, we have no idea of anything concerning the guy who was wearing that on the train. We don't know if he believed in Nazism. We don't know if he was mentally disturbed. We have no idea what views he had. Does wearing a Nazi armband thing make you automatically support genocide and therefore automatically deserving of violence? If pedophiles, murderers, torturers, and all other sorts of wonderful people are protected by laws, why is it suddenly OK to attack people for wearing something?
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I'm not for punching Nazis either. Not every asshole racist adorned with a swastika wants to muder minorities.

I'm not going to feel bad for the Nazis though, nor say the guy punching is just as bad as a Nazi.
 
I mean what that nazis call for is unconstitutional anyway, so it's really easy to draw the line. Like very easy. Bill may not, but we don't have to live by that.
 
legacyzero said:
"They felt comfortable marching without hoods, because they are now hoodless in the Oval Office"

Jesus Christ, Bill.

For full exposure. I was against punching them too. Everybody should be covered by the First Amendment, PERIOD. "Pajama-Boy" Nazis are a fucking joke.

BUT- Charlottesville happened. Acts of violence, and pulling pages from the ISIS playbook by ramming cars into crowds- LITERAL TERRORISM- changed that fucking view real goddamn quick. The fact that Neo-Nazis and KKK aren't listed at terrorist organisations, but Antifa breaks some windows and are called 'terrorists'.

Tom put my feelings into perfect perspective here. Punch away, I say.

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A couple things. First, no one schooled anyone. Second, Bill has said pretty much from day one that he's for free speech, regardless of the form it takes and if all we do is react with emotion (rage, anger, etc) in the way the right does then we are no better than them and I think there is something to that idea. Knee jerk reactions are why people like Trump could get away with their birther arguments.

Now I do agree with the fact that the KKK and neo Nazis should be labeled as terrorist groups. The fact that they aren't is crazy. And the whole Antifa label as a whole is stupid. You're supposed to be anti fascist. It should be the same for everyone. The right just used that label to tear down anyone who marched for "white pride".
 
1) Bill makes point
2) Tom strongly disagrees
3) A couple minutes of debate where they mostly just talk past each other's point but stay fairly civil
4) Show moves on to another topic, no one changes their mind or definitively wins argument.


Characterizing this as a 'schooling' is one hell of a stretch.
 
GreenMonkey said:
I'm not for punching Nazis either. Not every asshole racist adorned with a swastika wants to muder minorities.

I'm not going to feel bad for the Nazis though, nor say the guy punching is just as bad as a Nazi.
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Meh. If you willingly emblazon yourself with discriminatory imagery, then I'm going to readily assume that you're either willing to commit acts of brutality yourself or you're completely advocating others to commit acts of brutality towards groups for you. Both are equally deplorable to me.
 
When you see swastika, you know that he will use nazi ideology meaning they can and will perform a genocide when they can..that's why you need to punch nazi's in the face.

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Let them crawl back in there stinking holes they don't deserve any pity.
 
theCalamity said:
The “Fiest they came for...” poem is about how people ignored nazis while they systematically silenced/killed people until it was too late.
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I feel like some people in this thread need a history lesson. The "nazis" today are not actual, real nazis. They may hold some similar beliefs. They may even act on them. But the real Nazi party ended permanently in 1945. American neo-nazis have no connection to the Nazis from Germany in the 1930's/1940's. They can't actually do anything.
 
RoninChaos said:
A couple things. First, no one schooled anyone. Second, Bill has said pretty much from day one that he's for free speech, regardless of the form it takes and if all we do is react with emotion (rage, anger, etc) in the way the right does then we are no better than them and I think there is something to that idea.
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Finally something I agree with. If we react with emotion to hateful speech we are no better than right wingers who react with emotion to people asking not to be killed by police. Completely comparable.
 
Matsukaze said:
"Nazism can be solved by just ignoring it"

Oh my God
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Read this post and weep. I don’t know what planet these people live on.

Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew said:
"One of the counter-protests happens Friday from 4 p.m. until 6 p.m. at Peterborough Square."

Good. Show love. Don't get mad, don't get aggressive, just show love.

I met an old white man, early 50, at a concert last week in Toronto, trying to buy his cigarettes. We talked for a while and he seemed to enjoy my company. Then he asked the trivial questions:

"Where are you from?"
"What religion are you from?"

I lied and said I'm a Christian from India (my two friends at the concert were from India and are Christian, so I didn't want to do a dance and explain where all of us are from).

I knew where this was going.

"Can I say something to you guys? And this is something I feel very strongly about.

...

Fuck Moslems!"


My friends were shocked, trying to hold their laugh. I shrugged it off and indulged his conversation.

He talks about the killings, and I said "Yeah man, isn't Islam a religion of peace?"

He's all "Right on! Where's the fucking peace!? I will let 100,000 cockroaches in my country, and not one fucking immigrant!"

Funny enough, all three of us whom he was talking to are immigrants.

I just laughed it off without getting into an argument with an ignorant. At the end of the conversation, we had a few laughs, hugged it out and went our ways.


Moral here is that you cannot change someone's view; it's engraved in them and they will forever defend their feelings. However, showing love instead of hate can go a long way. So please, show love at Peterborough: the sound of love is far more amplifying than bigotry.
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magichans said:
I feel like some people in this thread need a history lesson. The "nazis" today are not actual, real nazis. They may hold some similar beliefs. They may even act on them. But the real Nazi party ended permanently in 1945. American neo-nazis have no connection to the Nazis from Germany in the 1930's/1940's. They can't actually do anything.
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Yes, these people who are spouting the same beliefs, say Hitler was right, wear the same symbols, have no connection the Nazis from the 30s and 40s.
 
magichans said:
I feel like some people in this thread need a history lesson. The "nazis" today are not actual, real nazis. They may hold some similar beliefs. They may even act on them. But the real Nazi party ended permanently in 1945. American neo-nazis have no connection to the Nazis from Germany in the 1930's/1940's. They can't actually do anything.
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That's not a history lesson; that's common sense.

When people respond to the argument that ignoring Nazism will allow them to spread their ideologies unchallenged, they are not wrong. Similarily, ignoring racism and sexism in your workplace does nothing to address the root of the issue, and thus leaves your workplace to perpetually be plagued with that same racism and sexism.

If you continue to ignore problems, then they'll remain. They may grow. They may falter. But why take that chance to begin with? Why not squash it before it becomes something greater?
 
xandaca said:
It's simple. If you're in or feel at imminent risk of physical danger, you can use reasonable physical force to defend yourself. If you're not in or at risk of physical danger and you use violence, you are the aggressor and you are in the wrong. Hurt feelings is the price grown-ups pay for living in a free society.
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Must be nice to be privileged enough to see nazis as some fringe political movement causing "hurt feelings" instead of being an existential threat.
 
magichans said:
I feel like some people in this thread need a history lesson. The "nazis" today are not actual, real nazis. They may hold some similar beliefs. They may even act on them. But the real Nazi party ended permanently in 1945. American neo-nazis have no connection to the Nazis from Germany in the 1930's/1940's. They can't actually do anything.
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So because they’re not the same Nazis, we should ignore them even after they kill and lynch people on camera

Sounds like a plan
 
theCalamity said:
Yes, these people who are spouting the same beliefs, say Hitler was right, wear the same symbols, have no connection the Nazis from the 30s and 40s.
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They don't. As someone who studied WW2 obsessively for years, the Nazis emerged out of left field due to special conditions. They can't be "replicated" again, unless a massive shift in society took place somehow. What you see today with neo-Nazis are fringe people with no real power, usually uneducated.

Also, this may shock you but the Nazis never publicly advertised they were going to do a genocide. The reason they were successful was because they hid everything from the public, and then even tried to destroy all the evidence at the end of the war. It was all kept secret because they knew the population wouldn't accept it. I suggest you watch the documentary Shoah
 
magichans said:
I feel like some people in this thread need a history lesson. The "nazis" today are not actual, real nazis. They may hold some similar beliefs. They may even act on them. But the real Nazi party ended permanently in 1945. American neo-nazis have no connection to the Nazis from Germany in the 1930's/1940's. They can't actually do anything.
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I'm sorry they can't do anything? You are so wrong, they will do it again. Despite not being german they use the same ideology and it is now fueled in another way but the core remains. A lot of them don't walk around with swastika flags or anything but there having nice suits calling them self 'alt right' but underneath it it never changed. There all white supremacist trying to get to power to perform a holocaust when they can.
 
Even tho im for punching them, people who say you shouldnt solve violence with violence are not wrong either.

While it wouldnt be my thinking and action, Bill Maher still wasnt wrong.

But the reactions are not surprising since people hate Bill Maher here.
 
magichans said:
I feel like some people in this thread need a history lesson. The "nazis" today are not actual, real nazis. They may hold some similar beliefs. They may even act on them. But the real Nazi party ended permanently in 1945. American neo-nazis have no connection to the Nazis from Germany in the 1930's/1940's. They can't actually do anything.
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People die, ideologies don’t. Someone tell me they are a Nazi, I believe it’s because they hold the same ideology as Nazis throughout history. Not because I literally believe they are a time travling Nazi directly from 30s-40s Germany.
 
100% agree with Maher, but I'm not weeping if a nazi gets ktfo. If the nazi wants to press charges or the police see the suspect punch the nazi and not in self-defense, then the guy who punched the nazi should probably get a fine or some jail time. But I think that's a fair trade off and wouldn't compromise our laws.
 
Perhaps a legal exception to free speech should be made for Nazism. Individuals feeling able to take the law into their own hands can quickly cause problems, so perhaps the acceptance of Nazism is something worth limiting in law.

People fought and died so that Nazi flags wouldn't fly in America so I completely understand the motivation to punch Nazis. But common sense isn't so common, and that can be intepreted by Nazis (among other hate groups) as saying people or ideologies you detest are fair game for violent action. I feel like making displays of Nazism illegal, as it is in Germany, is the only alternative to tolerating it.
 
magichans said:
They don't. As someone who studied WW2 obsessively for years, the Nazis emerged out of left field due to special conditions. They can't be "replicated" again, unless a massive shift in society took place somehow. What you see today with neo-Nazis are fringe people with no real power, usually uneducated.

Also, this may shock you but the Nazis never publicly advertised they were going to do a genocide. The reason they were successful was because they hid everything from the public, and then even tried to destroy all the evidence at the end of the war. It was all kept secret because they knew the population wouldn't accept it. I suggest you watch the documentary Shoah
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Like I know there isn't an official connection between the two, the point is is that it doesn't matter.
 
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