I can't argue with that. I'm not suggesting we all run out and grab pitchforks, but just letting the guy know that he fucked up (also without being a total dick about it) is probably a good idea just in case the message does get through.
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Transgender journalist at EG Expo called "this person" on stage at MS event (See OP)
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I can't argue with that. I'm not suggesting we all run out and grab pitchforks, but just letting the guy know that he fucked up (also without being a total dick about it) is probably a good idea just in case the message does get through.
Impeccable
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You're wrong.
There's a reason companies apologize all the time when things go wrong. He is being hired by the company and therefore represents them during the contract.
The most obvious example to me is the Janet Jackson titty incident.
the staff refused to apologize for his actions or give her his full name
they covered for him, they're responsible
EightBitNate
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How were they to know that he'd make a joke like that? It wasn't their fault they'd assume he wouldn't make such an offensive comment.
And they could've handled the aftermath better I'll admit, but you can't go blaming Microsoft for everything.
Not to mention id adds nothing to the discussion. Pretty avoidable if you ask me. I honestly don't get some people, fellow GAFfers. It's not that hard to respect each other.
Ok easy there. We get it. It wasn't an MS employee but he was at an MS event so this DOES have something to do with Microsoft. They should have vetted this comedian closer, told him what was off limits, or had him write up his routine for them to go over. They do not escape blame here.
Flanimal Lover
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If people really believe Microsoft would condone these comments and are to blame think about it from a purely business prospective. Why would they alienate potential customers of their hardware and software? To Microsoft it doesn't matter who you are as long as you pay for their goods, so they aren't going to start discriminating any group of people for cheap laughs when they could be missing out on revenue.
Pristine_Condition
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Hate to get in the way of a good mob, but are we sure this happened as stated? I mean, all we've got is a one-sided accusation of this happening, from one person's perspective. It was a public event, surely there were hundreds of other witnesses, or maybe video, right?
Of course I did, because people would focus on that, like you did, instead of my point.
I was trying to relate, as I am not transgender. I have been teased behind my back and to my face plenty of times, like I'm sure she has. It's called empathy, not making a direct comparison. Some people need to relax with their vigilantly shit.
Impeccable
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DerZuhälter
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Soooo... does she want the apology just from the comedian/Eurogamer/MS/ of everyone?
The comedian is the the only one to blame, and before I do blame him I'd really like a video of the incident. I know a couple hardcore political correctness people will be outraged about me asking for this but her reaction on stage is a big factor here.
The comedian is the the only one to blame, and before I do blame him I'd really like a video of the incident. I know a couple hardcore political correctness people will be outraged about me asking for this but her reaction on stage is a big factor here.
Absolutely.
This thread took an embarrassing turn alright. The ram "joke" is probably one of the most awful post after the transgenderphobic posts that got nuked.
Not sure why the comedian thought it would be funny to attack someone like that. At the very least you ask her before making the show so that she's okay with it since it's obvious it had the potential to be harmful to her. She's right to be angry about it.
Not sure why the comedian thought it would be funny to attack someone like that. At the very least you ask her before making the show so that she's okay with it since it's obvious it had the potential to be harmful to her. She's right to be angry about it.
King_Richard
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Very sad, and unfortunately most of the public disapproves of transgender, so she'll get this kind of treatment in other places of employment, too. Terrible.
EightBitNate
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And how do you know they didn't do that?
Funchameleon
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Exactly. I'd go as far as to say they should have actually stopped the event in its tracks, honestly. They certainly would've if he was spouting racially charged jokes.
A heartfelt private apology would have been the reasonable thing to do.
BluePigGanon
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I'm sorry this happened to her, but to make it commentary on the industry seems silly when she could - and probably has - encountered this sort of insensitivity and confusion anywhere and everywhere. Her experience isn't uncommon for transgenders... Sad, but certainly not unique to the gaming industry.
Prince Vultan
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That's fucking disgraceful. Hope this guy cops some major shit over this.
I can warrior up with the best of them, but even I couldn't believe someone would seriously bring that shit in here. Speechless.
I can warrior up with the best of them, but even I couldn't believe someone would seriously bring that shit in here. Speechless.
Seems bang on as his Twitter account and the presenter she wants to "name."
Hey, guys, she is aware of the thread:
I think its fair to respect her wishes.
Its very clear that she requested his apologize and his alone and was denied by the MS rep who apparently only apologized at her for being offended. Dont know how her on-stage reaction is relevant at all.
I think its fair to respect her wishes.
DerZuhälter;84014633 said:
Its very clear that she requested his apologize and his alone and was denied by the MS rep who apparently only apologized at her for being offended. Dont know how her on-stage reaction is relevant at all.
CassidyIzABeast
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So its the laugh factory's fault Kramer lost his shit?
No one thinks they condone the comment it was just a screw up that can be piled in with the rest of the screw ups post e3. The hilarity is that they are perpetually screwing up. No one thinks these pr fails are intentional.
Chaostar
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On one hand you can't blame MS for what he said but, on the other, he was on their stage representing their console so it's only natural that some of the stigma will rub off onto them. Maybe they should be a bit more careful when vetting people to represent their products, is all I'm going to say about it.
Impeccable
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I have no doubt Microsoft will rightfully apologize.
EightBitNate
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The amount of posters who are completely ignorant of this situation is arrogant, stupid, disrespectful, and disgusting.
I wonder what MS can do to him. Obviously he's just a hired comedian. MS is at fault for hiring him obviously, but this is in no way a reflection on them as a company. They're one of the most friendly LGBT companies in the world. Shame on anyone that brings console wars into this.
OP should clarify this was not an MS employee. Still getting drive-by posts obviously not getting enough of the story.
Also should be put in OP.
Also should be put in OP.
Doctor_Thomas
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Doubt it, because he's a character comedian which, begs the question, how he got this gig.
Again, the responsibility lies with the people putting on the event because comedy, at a non-comedy event, is tricky and unless you do proper research, people will be offended in some capacity. The problem is that a comedy show is highly scripted and that prevents "slip ups", like calling a transgender person "it".
So, yes, Microsoft definitely do carry some of the blame here for picking comedy at a non-comedy event and choosing someone with no real history of this type of event to be involved. Thet made the choice, he's an idiot. Simple.
JennyTablina
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To be fair the other people at the Microsoft stage would be promotional hires too, very few of them will be on the actual Microsoft payroll, they are paid by the promotional company Microsoft pay a contract to for hawking their wares.
That said it was kind of unprofessional of them to refuse to give the guy's full name or at least offer some kind of support. They likely were not trained to deal with a situation like this, but they should of had some manager or team leader to report to. Though best they can do is apologize really or have a word with the presenter (who likely has nothing to do with the promotional team, so it's not like they can sack him or whatever, that's Microsoft's issue to solve)
The only way the situation could of been solved then and there was by convincing the presenter to come out, face the music, and apologize.
no but the laugh factory has a responsibility to denounce his actions afterwards, otherwise they appear to support them. I think that's what people are getting at.
Should the thread be closed then? It seems respectable, right? She seems really uncomfortable with the idea of GAF discussing it.
Exactly. Hate shouldn't be responded with hate, it gets nothing done.
Must be a typo.
Anyway, I guess Laura meant the ignorant guy that was retweeted along the discussion.
Syphon Filter
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People try to find any little thing to bash MS.
ms hired him, other ms employees didn't stop it from happening and covered for him afterwards
March of the Crabs
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Absolutely ridiculous. Even if this dude doesn't agree with her lifestyle choices, you'd think he'd have enough common sense to at least act courteous on stage in front of a crowd and not ridicule her. Clearly not.
Diablo Rosso
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Holy fucking shit.
Doctor_Thomas
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That's a comedy club, not a gaming event.
RadarScope1
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It doesn't matter his intent, the actions and words were wrong, if this happened as stated. More fun times for MS PR.
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A lot of staff at Euro Expo are from third party PR teams. Even the staff she spoke to were probably not directly employed to Microsoft. All the Nintendo staff my friend spoke to were under employment to a third party company. It's common place.
A lot of staff at Euro Expo are from third party PR teams. Even the staff she spoke to were probably not directly employed to Microsoft. All the Nintendo staff my friend spoke to were under employment to a third party company. It's common place.
yeah because it's totally okay to be called 'it' if your reaction isn't rightDerZuhälter;84014633 said:
since there's no way to tell in advance, the only way to tell if it's okay is to just start calling people 'it.' if their reaction is wrong, then it's okay to keep calling them 'it,' and if their reaction is right, you will know not to call them 'it' anymore.
any position other than this one is clearly political correctness gone wild.
It's definitely the guy who was on stage on Thursday doing giveaways.
Flanimal Lover
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Whether she wants it closed or not she bought this issue up in a public domain (twitter) and made sweeping generalizations about the industry. So the time for deciding to not have /have a discussion on this has long since passed.
SteveWinwood
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the fuck
ReverseFate
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The fuck am I reading?
Yeah, but making fun of other people is the easiest form of comedy, especially if you can embarrass them in front of other people.
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