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Triple buffering: "Why we love it"
- Thread starter brain_stew
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nothing in the tray, but D3Doverrider.exe is in task manager, even went to customize on the tray and still nothing there.
Edit: read a couple of forums and no one knows why its happening to them either, no solutions, and these posts are from 2009 and 2010.
Here is a picture of what im talking about
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/22255932.jpg/
Edit: read a couple of forums and no one knows why its happening to them either, no solutions, and these posts are from 2009 and 2010.
Here is a picture of what im talking about
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/22255932.jpg/
Metal Gear?!
Member
When I run D3DOverrider nothing happens, why is that?brain_stew said:
PjotrStroganov
Member
Metal Gear?! said:
Can't you find it in the systray?
If it works, you should hear a sound when starting up a game.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
So, after months and months of on and off usage, I've decided to take screen tearing over input lag. Triple buffering does a lovely job of cleaning up the image, so the graphics whore in my loves it, but fuck that input lag. Fuck it to hell. Its just not worth it. I value precision and response time far too much.
Unless there's some magical fix I'm missing?
Unless there's some magical fix I'm missing?
Carm said:
Heh. Funny thing is tearing never bothered me at all. I could see it as well as anyone, but I guess I treated it like Japanese developers treat lack of AA and thought it was a charming effect. After a couple months of using triple buffering, I developed an allergic reaction to tearing. Even playing GTA IV right now, because D3D doesn't work with it, I've resorted to turning on v-sync in the in-game options. Unthinkable!
Peterthumpa
Member
Since this thread is kinda old... is it still necessary to download D3DOverrider?
Isn't there any option inside the latest drivers (NVIDIA in my case) that does the same job?
Isn't there any option inside the latest drivers (NVIDIA in my case) that does the same job?
ConstructMe
Banned
One less program running in the tray woild be sweet.jonremedy said:
CrookedRain
Member
Nope. Triple buffering in the NVIDIA control panel is only for OpenGL games.felipepl said:
CerebralTiger
Member
Completely agree with this.EatChildren said:
The additional input lag is instantly noticeable in quite a few games I've played, and it just isn't worth the hassle at the end of the day.
I agree. Unless it's a game where I use a pad, I'll take screen tearing over input lag.EatChildren said:
There is something else you can do. If a game will let you cap the frame rate below 60 you can avoid screen tearing. I see some people saying to cap the frame rate at values like 59.97, though I'm not sure if anything after the decimal is needed. I typically just use 59. I only do this if screen tearing is really bad in a game.
Who wants to give me a suggestion of a good book or website to learn about computer graphics and hardware.
I want to know stuff like what does a gpu and or cpu do per cycle. What is the difference between the different types of shaders (I think one type is for geometry, and the other is for "effects", right? I want more in-depth than that). I want to know what people are talking about when they talk about rasterization, and how that is different from other techniques. I want to know how textures work and how the gpu utilizes RAM. I want to know how max theoretical polygon counts and GFLOPS are calculated.
I want to know stuff like what does a gpu and or cpu do per cycle. What is the difference between the different types of shaders (I think one type is for geometry, and the other is for "effects", right? I want more in-depth than that). I want to know what people are talking about when they talk about rasterization, and how that is different from other techniques. I want to know how textures work and how the gpu utilizes RAM. I want to know how max theoretical polygon counts and GFLOPS are calculated.
So, can anyone explain this to me?
I got a problem with vsync in the full version of PES 2012 (was in the demo as well).
VSync on: Game is stuttering
Vsync off: Slowdowns and mad tearing
VSync D3D overrider: Much better than vsync by Konami
Triple buffering D3D + Vsync: Pretty much smooth.
I don't want to use tripple buffering though...so any idea where the problem is?
i5 2400
HD 6850
newest Catalyst
So and now the magic thing:
After trying stuff on and off and bla I closed D3DOverrider and went back to only vsync via the PES settings option. And guess what? Game is running still smooth. And I know I had this before but it'll go back to stuttering.
This is why I hate PC gaming.
I got a problem with vsync in the full version of PES 2012 (was in the demo as well).
VSync on: Game is stuttering
Vsync off: Slowdowns and mad tearing
VSync D3D overrider: Much better than vsync by Konami
Triple buffering D3D + Vsync: Pretty much smooth.
I don't want to use tripple buffering though...so any idea where the problem is?
i5 2400
HD 6850
newest Catalyst
So and now the magic thing:
After trying stuff on and off and bla I closed D3DOverrider and went back to only vsync via the PES settings option. And guess what? Game is running still smooth. And I know I had this before but it'll go back to stuttering.
This is why I hate PC gaming.
D3RANG3D
Member
1-D_FTW said:
Yeah, u are right I guess.
I just tried the Bulletstorm Demo. Is it normal that in PC-games framerate is all over the place with V-Sync on? Is V-Sync really that heavy on the framerate? For example in the Bulletstorm demo there is a scene where you use that big machine gun, with v-sync it goes down to 30, without v-sync it stays at 60.
Also FPS in other games are fluctuating a lot, sometimes it seems like it makes no sense. For example in Mafia II when I'm outside and driving around it's at 60 and in a gunfight it goes down to 30...despite that it doesn't seem like there is more to look at. It's really weird.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Thrakier said:Yeah, u are right I guess.
I just tried the Bulletstorm Demo. Is it normal that in PC-games framerate is all over the place with V-Sync on? Is V-Sync really that heavy on the framerate? For example in the Bulletstorm demo there is a scene where you use that big machine gun, with v-sync it goes down to 30, without v-sync it stays at 60.
AFAIK, if your frame rates drop below 60fps then it automatically goes to 30fps to prevent frame tearing as any frame rate in between is liable to tear. Could be wrong though.
NullPointer
Member
Kindof confused here. I noticed a major difference when I forced TripleBuffering with Dead Island through RadeonPro. Before I enabled it I'd get distractedby variations in the framerate, even with v-synch enabled. With triple buffering all those inconsistencies vanished and the game plays smooth as silk.
BUT... I have a crossfire setup, and this thread says that TripleBuffering doesn't work with crossfire? Am I just hallucinating here because the difference seems pretty significant.
I haven't had my gaming PC for long so I'm still getting the hang of all these tweaks and settings and the like.
BUT... I have a crossfire setup, and this thread says that TripleBuffering doesn't work with crossfire? Am I just hallucinating here because the difference seems pretty significant.
I haven't had my gaming PC for long so I'm still getting the hang of all these tweaks and settings and the like.
The triple buffering you're using is doing it "wrong" by creating three frames before displaying any of them (a render ahead queue).EatChildren said:
The "real" triple buffering described in the OP (page flipping method) should actually have less input lag than regular double buffered vsync.
So if you're using D3DOverrider, I guess it's "force triple buffering" mode is garbage.
Thrakier said:Yeah, u are right I guess.
I just tried the Bulletstorm Demo. Is it normal that in PC-games framerate is all over the place with V-Sync on? Is V-Sync really that heavy on the framerate? For example in the Bulletstorm demo there is a scene where you use that big machine gun, with v-sync it goes down to 30, without v-sync it stays at 60.
Try it again with triple buffering enabled. Better framerates are another benefit you should get with triple buffering over stock v-sync.
I have heard that new Nvidia drivers will include a frame rate limiter. Now, wouldn't this be better than enabling v sync or would it be no different?
Source
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=201570&st=100&p=1289441&#entry1289441
Source
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=201570&st=100&p=1289441&#entry1289441
I should've known better. Today I started the game PES 2012, same settings, drivers etc. as yesterday and stuttering v-sync issue is back in full force. What the hell?
I then tried alt tab out of it and change the priority to high. Didn't help with the stuttering. So once again I disabled v-sync in the PES options then started D3D overrider and no stuttering. Problem here: With this setting my FPS go down to 30 in all replays, close ups etc. which is a JOKE because I know they could run in 60. In fact they ran in 60 whenever this stupid stuttering didn't happen without D3D overrider, like yesterday.
So the problem is DEFINITLY related to v-Sync. But I have NO idea why it sometimes work and sometimes it doesn't. It seems so random. I swear to god, I didn't change anything from yesterday to doday, yesterday everything was smooth with v-sync in PES settings, today a broken mess. I had the same problem with the demo which was first smooth and then started the stuttering. What the hell is this? It has to be some game related bug. I don't know what to do now. I'd use D3D overrider but I'm not so happy with 30FPS in replays when I actually know they could run at 60 as well.
This game is a mess in terms of optimization!
I then tried alt tab out of it and change the priority to high. Didn't help with the stuttering. So once again I disabled v-sync in the PES options then started D3D overrider and no stuttering. Problem here: With this setting my FPS go down to 30 in all replays, close ups etc. which is a JOKE because I know they could run in 60. In fact they ran in 60 whenever this stupid stuttering didn't happen without D3D overrider, like yesterday.
So the problem is DEFINITLY related to v-Sync. But I have NO idea why it sometimes work and sometimes it doesn't. It seems so random. I swear to god, I didn't change anything from yesterday to doday, yesterday everything was smooth with v-sync in PES settings, today a broken mess. I had the same problem with the demo which was first smooth and then started the stuttering. What the hell is this? It has to be some game related bug. I don't know what to do now. I'd use D3D overrider but I'm not so happy with 30FPS in replays when I actually know they could run at 60 as well.
This game is a mess in terms of optimization!
Ledsen said:
Yeah, I did, sure. However I have a problem with all games. As soon those are not locked to either 60 or 30 (and locking at 30 isn't possible if you don't use some strange china app) I get micro stuttering. It looks like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ25xqxCBDc
I think it's somehow related to Vsync in general but I didn't find a solution yet...
So, regarding the input lag, is TripleBuffering ALWAYS faster than VSync? How much input lag is introduced through those methods anyway? And how do I know that the vsync the game itself offers isn't tripe buffering? And if it is...how do I know what's better, forcing it or choosing the games own option...
SturokBGD
Member
The driver setting is only for OpenGL game. Thankfully Croteam are awesome, if you enable Vsync in the game then triple buffering is switched on, so D3DOverrider isn't needed.