IbukiLordSA
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Haha wow this guy is the best,
But seriously to the people that could have voted that didn't, you deserve this.
But seriously to the people that could have voted that didn't, you deserve this.
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Trump thanks black people that did not vote
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ZombiePlatypus
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Not the majority.
It does.
Because Americans were fucked again by principles that only benefit one group of people.
It doesn't until it does. What a dumb thing to say.
psychowave
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I understand this sentiment, but black/muslim/gay/female etc people who didn't vote for Hillary don't deserve the shit that awaits them the next 4 years, even if they should have done the right thing.
spazchicken
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This post is probably going to get a lot of hate but I'm trying to be as real as I can be.
It's an overly complicated and pointless system that takes the voice and control away from the people and nobody but the US uses it. I'm not just saying this because sour grapes, I've always felt this way and I refuse to be a part of it. I don't usually do things that I see as a waste of my time.
On top of that, when it comes to the black community and issues concerning black people directly, would Hillary have done anything more than any other president has ever done? If you've been treated worse than a second class citizen for the last eight years and beyond, is Hillary suddenly going to change that?
We didn't vote Trump in. Hillary won the popular vote which is the way everyone else in the world votes and is the purest and most direct voice of the people you could ever get. Nobody "deserves" Trump. If you want to blame someone, blame the system and the ass backwards way we have allowed it to run for hundreds of years.
It's an overly complicated and pointless system that takes the voice and control away from the people and nobody but the US uses it. I'm not just saying this because sour grapes, I've always felt this way and I refuse to be a part of it. I don't usually do things that I see as a waste of my time.
On top of that, when it comes to the black community and issues concerning black people directly, would Hillary have done anything more than any other president has ever done? If you've been treated worse than a second class citizen for the last eight years and beyond, is Hillary suddenly going to change that?
We didn't vote Trump in. Hillary won the popular vote which is the way everyone else in the world votes and is the purest and most direct voice of the people you could ever get. Nobody "deserves" Trump. If you want to blame someone, blame the system and the ass backwards way we have allowed it to run for hundreds of years.
CyclopsRock
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This probably isn't the point, but what you've just said there clearly isn't true. Direct democracy is pretty "pure", but any sort of representative democracy is already one level of abstraction away from a "pure and direct voice of the people". The winner-takes-all nature of 48 of the 50 states in the US adds an added level of abstraction but the US isn't the only country to do this either; In the UK we don't elect people to vote for someone else on our behalf, but practically its the same as we have 650 winner-takes-all constituencies. Because there are so many more it's much rarer that someone with a lower vote share can become Prime Minister, but it has happened a number of times. Eitherway, I don't think even a popular vote between Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton would really represent "the purest and most direct voice of the people you could ever get".
It depends on what's in the area. Some places it's a Church or a Community Center or a Gym or Pool, etc. The US is really spread out so not everything is available everywhere.
You need a photo ID to basically do anything in this country anyway, except to vote (although some states have ID laws).
Nikodemos
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White women can be just as racist and xenophobic as their male counterparts. The absence of penis does not magically make you a better person.
GrizzleBoy
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You seem to underestimate the power of white supremacists winning the presidency.
As opposed to white supremacists getting smacked down after having the gall to run for the presidency.
The ties that bind racists to their ideologies, behaviours and social outlook has been strengthened more than most people can remember.
Do you remember the KKK did a VICTORY march?
Do you remember the last time actual Nazis began to gather feeling that they are on the winning team?
But forget those guys. It's the diet racism/hatred, the "silent majority" who would never dare admit their true leanings, who will affect minorities of all kinds in their usual subtle ways that will do the ultimate damage.
If you're asking black people to choose between status quo, or the next level after the status quo, I think the status quo looks pretty damn good to them considering what they're expecting the next level of it to encompass.
To simply answer your question, what would Hillary have done differently?
She would have NOT shifted national social views towards having more acceptance of racism.
Simple as that.
She would have NOT put anti Semitic figures into the top roles of government.
Simple as that.
She would have NOT been looking at putting one of the most anti black, black sherrif, who has managed to have multiple people die in his jails recently (even of dehydration from being denied water), into one of the highest positions government policing.
You may think it's a complicated choice, but it really isn't.
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Banana Aeon
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I, foolishly, believe that Americans will not do this again.
Banana Aeon
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Murder opposition and critics? Hmm...
Mister Wolf
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The monster America created.
Mister Wolf
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More than 50% of white women voted for trump. That was in my opinion the deciding factor.
Just tweet that your critics are child-molesting pizza chefs and your voters will shoot them while 'investigating'. And don't forget the magical term-reseting President -> Prime Minister switch.
CarpeDeezNutz
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also please stop saying we deserve trump the large majority of us fucking didn't vote for him
Yes, I feel the same. I have come out and voted every time I was of age. I sure as shit did not vote for Trump but since I am American I deserve this guy? Fuck that.
Yeah, I forget American states are massive but still if there is people there and public offices etc. surely you must support voting.
Would a voting register based on a social security number and current address not suffice for being able to vote or do you need photo ID for social security?
biggersmaller
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It's just as wrong to say "white women are to blame not black people" when I can't find demo numbers on the overall participation rate, only data for the low number of people who did vote. Who knows how "responsible" any given demo is given the 20 year low turnout. Although racist and wrong, still Trump is not technically incorrect to thank non-voting POC as although they likely didn't definitively win him the election - they did help him. Though you could say the same about non-voting college students...which is what makes it racist.
Really, it's so frustrating how so many people who didn't vote Trump were still influenced enough by his aggressive lie-a-minute strategy and decided "both candidates are Terrible people" and just didn't show to vote. This is across the demo board. And she is the one to blame. Frankly she didn't have a strong enough voice or personality to fight in this unorthodox campaign "style" and this battlefield of shit made her a terrible candidate.
To lose to Trump when his own party was publicly distancing themselves and some even voting against him - it's an embarrassment to the Democrats. Really, Clinton and the DNC are who are to blame.
Really, it's so frustrating how so many people who didn't vote Trump were still influenced enough by his aggressive lie-a-minute strategy and decided "both candidates are Terrible people" and just didn't show to vote. This is across the demo board. And she is the one to blame. Frankly she didn't have a strong enough voice or personality to fight in this unorthodox campaign "style" and this battlefield of shit made her a terrible candidate.
To lose to Trump when his own party was publicly distancing themselves and some even voting against him - it's an embarrassment to the Democrats. Really, Clinton and the DNC are who are to blame.
Unless the Russians did some crazy hacker shit.
This. And it's infuriating.
KO Traveling Hobo
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Yep. It's frustrating that people would sit home and not vote when there is a monstrous bigot on the ticket, but "vote for this person you don't really support because the other person is worse" is a shitty demand to make of anyone, even those who stand to lose the most by abstaining.
Vicetrailia
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Not support in likeability or policy?
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benjipwns
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Well we can't blame the people who voted can we?
A Serious Man
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Not surprising coming from a man who has little regard for democracy.
As an aside, I have a recurring nightmare that Trump will announce a new centralized voting system to combat "rampant voter fraud".
As an aside, I have a recurring nightmare that Trump will announce a new centralized voting system to combat "rampant voter fraud".
First of all, asshole as usual.
Secondly, can you really blame the people who stayed home? I am not certain that all of them did it by choice. First if I understand it, USA. have their election day always on Tuesdays no exception, that is a working day and for many people it is not realistic to go off work to vote that day. And isn't it the only day you're allowed to vote in the US.? Plus the US. have no pre-voting system etc.?
Secondly, can you really blame the people who stayed home? I am not certain that all of them did it by choice. First if I understand it, USA. have their election day always on Tuesdays no exception, that is a working day and for many people it is not realistic to go off work to vote that day. And isn't it the only day you're allowed to vote in the US.? Plus the US. have no pre-voting system etc.?
You will be disappointed. Extreme right wing politics is on the rise all over the world, and it's not going away.
And one term presidents are pretty rare.
I think we ALL deserve this. Those of us who did vote and voted democrat or independent chose to believe he couldn't actually win and that it was all a joke. Obviously not everyone felt this way but a good portion of Americans did.
The Last Wizard
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You can see that blame being thrown around on gaf aswell
Depends on the state; most have early/absentee voting in the weeks before the election, with a few states also having mail-in voting. Some states don't have early voting and require you to give an excuse for why you can't vote on Election Day before allowing you to have an absentee ballot.
Naturally Republicans try to surpress voting by limiting when and where early voting can occur, typically in areas with a high minority population.
TheLaughingStock
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Hundreds of millions of US citizens have zero place? Really? Voting or not voting is their right.
KO Traveling Hobo
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Whatever their reason for believing that Clinton would not reciprocate their support - believing that they have consistently been let down by democrats, her policies, whatever.
Cesare Borgia
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He's openly mocking the fact that a lot of voters, including black people in certain states, sat the election out. Despite the fact the he is an open racist, spent years disrespecting the first black president, ran on a "law and order" platform, etc etc etc. So what are you going to do about it next time?
At this point I'm far less annoyed at Trump than those who saw what he is and decided to stand down. And tbh even pointing a centimeter of a finger at black people feels ridiculous here. They carried their weight overall outside of a few places (Michigan, specifically Detroit/Wayne County) and had near universal opposition to Trump. Can't say that about just about any other demographic. The onus shouldn't be on minorities to save the country, but that's the situation we're in with white people jumping the fucking shark. Yikes. Let's get our shit together, white folks.
At this point I'm far less annoyed at Trump than those who saw what he is and decided to stand down. And tbh even pointing a centimeter of a finger at black people feels ridiculous here. They carried their weight overall outside of a few places (Michigan, specifically Detroit/Wayne County) and had near universal opposition to Trump. Can't say that about just about any other demographic. The onus shouldn't be on minorities to save the country, but that's the situation we're in with white people jumping the fucking shark. Yikes. Let's get our shit together, white folks.
I see.
I know here in Sweden that we have early voting options and that the election day is most commonly on a weekend so that people can do it on their free time. I think in one EU country you can now even vote by simply text message.
The Artisan
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I think what he meant was more than half the people that voted didn't want him. He might've just accidentally wrote "for him"
triggered ?
sturgboski
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Well see, therein lies the rub. If you didnt want him as President, not voting Hillary (the only candidate who had a shot at the white house because 3rd party will never) is a vote for Trump. Basically, by saying "fuck it, Hillary doesnt excite me" and staying home or voting Jill Stein you really cast your ballot for Trump. It is something Republicans have figured out long ago and I wish Democrats would recognize, but instead its turned into "how to we find the most compelling and exciting candidate out there to get people who cant see the big picture and rather throw all progress that has been made into the shitter by not voting or not voting Democrat because of the top of the ticket to come vote next time?" Seems a bit futile either way I suppose.
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